Where are you all this morning?http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/29/benghazi-emails-point-at-white-house/8471737/
To me it would be the equivalent of Boehner telling his press secretary to put forth news in a favorable light - something that I imagine he says literally every day.
Not favorable light, manufactured circumstances. There is a difference.
The OP of mine largely deals with arms smuggling toterroristsrebels. Something quite large, IMO, but apparently also well known and benign as far as anyone else was concerned. It remains a mystery why CNN ran with that story when they did. Also remains a mystery why this administration goes to such lengths to cover up so much.
The argument over the lies, (blaming "protests" on a video), is of a different nature, even if it demonstrates their continued obfuscation of the truth. If all you have is a proven conspiracy to lie, then the Dems are going to laugh.
Oh... I have a feeling what's coming next.
"Bush lied... people died".
Did you read the actual message? It wasn't focused on Benghazi alone. It was addressing all of the unrest in the region: "these protests" (plural). Also remember that at that time, even the CIA believed the Benghazi attack was likely related to the video. The CIA stated this in their original Benghazi talking points, before the White House and State Department started revisions. Rhodes' message is consistent with this. You're conflating the RNC spin of his message with what it actually says.Not favorable light, manufactured circumstances. There is a difference.
No, we're pretty much just baffled and amused by the desperation to find a scandal, any scandal, no matter how flimsy or transparent. Mocking stupidity on a message board isn't exactly going the extra mile in panic about this super dangerous secret we MUST protect!!Everything one needs to know about the seriousness of the Benghazi cover up is evident in the degree of zeal which the faithful followers of the Obama regime devote to defending their messiah. If this was a nothing story, they would be ignoring it. They are not doing that. They are clawing tooth and nail in fear that something might actually "stick" in this particular debacle.
Everything one needs to know about the seriousness of the Benghazi cover up is evident in the degree of zeal which the faithful followers of the Obama regime devote to defending their messiah. If this was a nothing story, they would be ignoring it. They are not doing that. They are clawing tooth and nail in fear that something might actually "stick" in this particular debacle.
We have a regime in place that puts party before the nation to a degree that I can't recall in my lifetime. There is no longer anyone willing to fall on the sword because they made a huge blunder. Our nation is being governed by the "everyone is a winner" crowd and they've got the trophies to prove it. They are not just blameless, they are beyond making mistakes.
Our country was running arms from Libya to Syria. Arms that were ending up in the hands of our enemies. It was supposed to be a secret. It resulted in the death of four Americans including a highly respected Ambassador. The whole thing could have been spun several ways that would have minimized the culpability of the regime in conjunction with a sacrificial lamb taking the fall. The conservative press and the nation as a whole would have begrudgingly accepted this.
But their arrogance would not allow for this. Nobody from the elite running the nation should have to admit any guilt. Why should they, they are all winners. So they doubled down with the lies and the deceit. As time goes on and more documentation is released the heap of shit is getting higher and higher and it's getting more difficult to crawl out from under without getting some on them.
The mid-term election is a lost cause. The presidential election in 2016 is the big one. The day Hillary announces she will not run for the presidency is when this will break loose. Her head is the head that should have rolled. That did not happen and will not happen for obvious reasons that are purely political. When she announces she will not be running, a sacrificial lamb will be led to slaughter so as to not sully the Clinton name any further.
What a state our nation is in. Politics and party are more important than anything else and to a degree I don't recall in my lifetime. There is no price too great to pay in the quest to achieve absolute long-lasting power. Illegal arms operation and dead Americans certainly are not enough.
To my libertarian/conservative friends: Don't bother arguing Benghazi with the leftists. There is no evidence, no argument, no smoking gun that will divert them from their chosen path, which is to defend this regime to the bitter end. Just be happy to know that there are many in the nation that have not let it rest and will not let it rest.
Since you are so red in the face from your Banghazi tourettes, did we ever get an answer about the over 250 Marines killed in Lebanon embassy?? Oh yeah that was Reagan so no problem
Everything one needs to know about the seriousness of the Benghazi cover up is evident in the degree of zeal which the faithful followers of the Obama regime devote to defending their messiah. If this was a nothing story, they would be ignoring it. They are not doing that. They are clawing tooth and nail in fear that something might actually "stick" in this particular debacle.
We have a regime in place that puts party before the nation to a degree that I can't recall in my lifetime. There is no longer anyone willing to fall on the sword because they made a huge blunder. Our nation is being governed by the "everyone is a winner" crowd and they've got the trophies to prove it. They are not just blameless, they are beyond making mistakes.
Our country was running arms from Libya to Syria. Arms that were ending up in the hands of our enemies. It was supposed to be a secret. It resulted in the death of four Americans including a highly respected Ambassador. The whole thing could have been spun several ways that would have minimized the culpability of the regime in conjunction with a sacrificial lamb taking the fall. The conservative press and the nation as a whole would have begrudgingly accepted this.
But their arrogance would not allow for this. Nobody from the elite running the nation should have to admit any guilt. Why should they, they are all winners. So they doubled down with the lies and the deceit. As time goes on and more documentation is released the heap of shit is getting higher and higher and it's getting more difficult to crawl out from under without getting some on them.
The mid-term election is a lost cause. The presidential election in 2016 is the big one. The day Hillary announces she will not run for the presidency is when this will break loose. Her head is the head that should have rolled. That did not happen and will not happen for obvious reasons that are purely political. When she announces she will not be running, a sacrificial lamb will be led to slaughter so as to not sully the Clinton name any further.
What a state our nation is in. Politics and party are more important than anything else and to a degree I don't recall in my lifetime. There is no price too great to pay in the quest to achieve absolute long-lasting power. Illegal arms operation and dead Americans certainly are not enough.
To my libertarian/conservative friends: Don't bother arguing Benghazi with the leftists. There is no evidence, no argument, no smoking gun that will divert them from their chosen path, which is to defend this regime to the bitter end. Just be happy to know that there are many in the nation that have not let it rest and will not let it rest.
Not favorable light, manufactured circumstances. There is a difference.
Hey! You leave Ronald Wilson Reagan out of this!! You hear me!? Ronald Regan is a SAINT!!
You should really go read the emails more closely. Again, the desperation here to find a scandal is really confusing.
First of all, I'm deeply skeptical of all of this.
But can I just point out the irony of IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE for smuggling in weapons to Syria from the same people who worship at the altar of St. Reagan? The people who want to name the entire offshore exclusive economic zone (basically US waters) for Reagan? Reagan, the president who caved to Islamic terrorist demands to illegally sell weapons to radical Islamic Iran, then used to profits to fund US-citizen-nun-raping guerillas in direct violation of Congress, and instead of being impeached got some BS about how "the nation can't afford another failed presidency" and subsequently a PR campaign that has left Republicans actling like he was Jesus II ever since?
And now, if these stories have any truth to them, smuggling weapons to Syria to help fight a dictator is OMG IMPEACH HIM IMPEACH HIM?
That's quite topical actually, when speaking of arms smuggling Presidents.
Yeah, but I would term it more like "I'm going to repeatedly keep bringing up the past like it is somehow relevant to what's going on today".I guess we could call this the "it happened once a long time ago and we still like the guy so it must be ok now" defense.
Good, then you'll note that emails and correspondence throughout that whole week (i.e., from 9/11 forward) consistently referenced the presumed video connection. You also note that the initial CIA talking points -- asserting a connection to the video -- preceded Rhodes' email by 11 hours. So, once again, Rhodes' comments are consistent with what they knew at the time. It's all there in black and white if you want to see this for yourself rather than uncritically accepting the wing-nut spin.I read them just fine. I also paid attention to the dates.
Good, then you'll note that emails and correspondence throughout that whole week (i.e., from 9/11 forward) consistently referenced the presumed video connection. You also note that the initial CIA talking points -- asserting a connection to the video -- preceded Rhodes' email by 11 hours. So, once again, Rhodes' comments are consistent with what they knew at the time. It's all there in black and white if you want to see this for yourself rather than uncritically accepting the wing-nut spin.
Facts do not sway those who made up their minds without reading any to begin with. People like Terry and boomerang will never be convinced to use logic, thought, facts, intelligence, truth, sanity, impartiality, or rationality because it doesn't fit in their preconceived viewpoint.
The basis for the whole Benghazi conspiracy theory is that the Obama Admin knew more than they were telling at the time rather than actually knowing less than they said when trying to appear well informed & on top of it. It was a PR faux pas.
Yeh. Really.
It was a well executed ambush by the Romney campaign & the right wing noise machine in general, and an error in judgement by the Obamites about how to deal with it.
The facts, as they've become known, have never supported any more than that, regardless of the fluffery applied.
State Dept personnel knowingly take personal & institutional risks anywhere, and especially with outposts like Benghazi. Long standing policy is just that, to foster better relationships with foreign populations, to take those chances. Those relationships can be valuable on multiple levels.
They know that things can go badly wrong, that they work for an imperfect system, and that failures will occur. They have the courage to do it anyway, to serve this country, because there's really no other way.
Blaming Obama won't change any of it.
Wow, you convinced me of the error of my ways!
Pretty much what everyone with at least half a brain already knew and everyone with at least an ounce of honesty already admitted - the administration lied its asses off and forced the CIA talking points to be revised showing the least damaging story even though everyone knew it was a lie. Honestly I can't get very worked up about that as its political damage control after the fact. Romney was my guy, but his team was engaging in the same behavior, just making it as politically damaging as possible.Where are you all this morning?http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/29/benghazi-emails-point-at-white-house/8471737/
Honestly I'm not convinced that Hilary's head should roll except for just basic dishonesty - something that applies to virtually all our politicians. I don't like that State turned down requests for proper security - and I really, really don't like that after the guy was dead they then claimed to offered in private what they turned down on record - but it's possible this was an honest screw-up or, assuming the gun running allegations are true, a calculated risk that bit them hard.Everything one needs to know about the seriousness of the Benghazi cover up is evident in the degree of zeal which the faithful followers of the Obama regime devote to defending their messiah. If this was a nothing story, they would be ignoring it. They are not doing that. They are clawing tooth and nail in fear that something might actually "stick" in this particular debacle.
We have a regime in place that puts party before the nation to a degree that I can't recall in my lifetime. There is no longer anyone willing to fall on the sword because they made a huge blunder. Our nation is being governed by the "everyone is a winner" crowd and they've got the trophies to prove it. They are not just blameless, they are beyond making mistakes.
Our country was running arms from Libya to Syria. Arms that were ending up in the hands of our enemies. It was supposed to be a secret. It resulted in the death of four Americans including a highly respected Ambassador. The whole thing could have been spun several ways that would have minimized the culpability of the regime in conjunction with a sacrificial lamb taking the fall. The conservative press and the nation as a whole would have begrudgingly accepted this.
But their arrogance would not allow for this. Nobody from the elite running the nation should have to admit any guilt. Why should they, they are all winners. So they doubled down with the lies and the deceit. As time goes on and more documentation is released the heap of shit is getting higher and higher and it's getting more difficult to crawl out from under without getting some on them.
The mid-term election is a lost cause. The presidential election in 2016 is the big one. The day Hillary announces she will not run for the presidency is when this will break loose. Her head is the head that should have rolled. That did not happen and will not happen for obvious reasons that are purely political. When she announces she will not be running, a sacrificial lamb will be led to slaughter so as to not sully the Clinton name any further.
What a state our nation is in. Politics and party are more important than anything else and to a degree I don't recall in my lifetime. There is no price too great to pay in the quest to achieve absolute long-lasting power. Illegal arms operation and dead Americans certainly are not enough.
To my libertarian/conservative friends: Don't bother arguing Benghazi with the leftists. There is no evidence, no argument, no smoking gun that will divert them from their chosen path, which is to defend this regime to the bitter end. Just be happy to know that there are many in the nation that have not let it rest and will not let it rest.
Not favorable light, manufactured circumstances. There is a difference.