The Benghazi Story goes critical

[Attic]

This is much easier if you liberal hacks drop the BS and admit the white house was actively trying to spin the story away from the truth and towards the video angle while denying they were actively trying to spin the story away from the truth and towards the video.

Their is the attack and the cover up. Conflating the idea that attacks have happened in the past under R clowns so therefore whats the big deal that the attack happened under D clowns now is an expected tactic that has been passed down from the official clown talking points on the issue. Though clearly to anyone who can think for themselves and isn't a political hack, the cover up is a separate issue from the attack. One issue americans will tolerate, as pointed about by the liberal hacks posting all the previous attacks on embassies that have been tolerated, the other (hint: the cover up issue) people aren't as willing to tolerate as evidenced by majority support.

Common sense is a bitch for those who try to conflate/obfuscate issues, don't let it go to waste.

 

[berzerker60]

"We don't have a media that's willing to do reporting on this issue, and that's why this (Watergate + 9/11)*600 billion !!! event isn't getting any investigation!"
-News organizations that have spent the past year obsessing over every tiny detail of this story hoping desperately for any stray phrase or clause they can take out of context

 

[Orignal Earl]

Common sense is a bitch for those who try to conflate/obfuscate issues, don't let it go to waste.

This is just common sense

 

[cabri]

Conservatives hate Obama with the fire of a million suns. They constantly talk to each other about how Obama is the 'most corrupt administration in history' and things like that. Despite all this there has yet to be a single significant scandal. This has to be infuriating to them.

Obama came into the picture with promises of pureness and openness.
The infuriating thing to the non-rabid conservatives is that from day one, he let down the country on that respect.

The spin machine has always been in full force to deflect/cover up issues thereby making molehills out of a grain of sand.
And while the administration/Democrats attempt to do so; others start to question why are they putting so much effort into this spin; what else is under the surface that is not wanted to be exposed.

As you say, no significant scandal; yet with the missteps and the handling of such, leads some to wonder what else is not been uncovered.

Instead of coming out on those issues that are igniting the conservative crowd and saying, we screwed up; here is what happened and why; the administration initially denies it. Then only when caught in their web, do they try to slide sideways.

Again, it demonstrates poor leadership and/or a unwavering loyalty to the POTUS at any cost.

Great for a political career, but when this administration took Bush to task over such; playing the same hand and expecting different results does not compute.

 

[fskimospy]

Obama came into the picture with promises of pureness and openness.
The infuriating thing to the non-rabid conservatives is that from day one, he let down the country on that respect.

The spin machine has always been in full force to deflect/cover up issues thereby making molehills out of a grain of sand.
And while the administration/Democrats attempt to do so; others start to question why are they putting so much effort into this spin; what else is under the surface that is not wanted to be exposed.

As you say, no significant scandal; yet with the missteps and the handling of such, leads some to wonder what else is not been uncovered.

Instead of coming out on those issues that are igniting the conservative crowd and saying, we screwed up; here is what happened and why; the administration initially denies it. Then only when caught in their web, do they try to slide sideways.

Again, it demonstrates poor leadership and/or a unwavering loyalty to the POTUS at any cost.

Great for a political career, but when this administration took Bush to task over such; playing the same hand and expecting different results does not compute.

I would agree that Obama has not been the great force for transparency that he claimed going in. Not by a long shot.

The idea that conservatives are only angry because he hasn't been contrite enough when they have made mistakes or that they just want him to 'come clean' is pretty insanely naive though. Conservatives want to attack their political enemies the same as people want to defend their political allies.

 

[Jaskalas]

This is much easier if you liberal hacks drop the BS and admit the white house was actively trying to spin the story away from the truth and towards the video angle while denying they were actively trying to spin the story away from the truth and towards the video.

CIA claims it gave the WH the video narrative. It is a reasonable argument to suggest the WH thought of it as the truth at some point. The problem is they were corrected by Mr. Morell a day before the WH started publicly spreading lies.

It does not clear them, but it muddies the water enough.

 

[Bowfinger]

Here's some new news: http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2014/04/29/benghazi-email-n1831085

The fact that it's dated April 29 should have been your first clue that it's already been discussed in this thread and is no longer news.

 

[HomerJS]

Why doesn't anyone care Amb. Stevens refused additional security.

That should be way more of an issue.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/05/15/official-amb-stevens-refused-additional-security.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...ador-turned-security-report-article-1.1345119

 

[cabri]

I would agree that Obama has not been the great force for transparency that he claimed going in. Not by a long shot.

The idea that conservatives are only angry because he hasn't been contrite enough when they have made mistakes or that they just want him to 'come clean' is pretty insanely naive though. Conservatives want to attack their political enemies the same as people want to defend their political allies.

Full agreement;

Mudslinging is easier than bathing and staying clean.

 

[cabri]

Why doesn't anyone care Amb. Stevens refused additional security.

That should be way more of an issue.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/05/15/official-amb-stevens-refused-additional-security.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...ador-turned-security-report-article-1.1345119

“(Stevens) didn’t say why. He just turned it down,” an unnamed defense official told McClatchy.
In August, officials at the mission had drafted cables to Washington requesting “security upgrades, and staffing,” according to the report.

Without knowing why it was turned down, especially after it was requested anyone can jump to conclusions to justify their own desires.

There are statements that have the military stating that the offer was turned down; yet there are cables showing that additional security was being requested.
Did the military security come with hooks attached that Stevens did not like?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Without knowing why it was turned down, especially after it was requested anyone can jump to conclusions to justify their own desires.

There are statements that have the military stating that the offer was turned down; yet there are cables showing that additional security was being requested.
Did the military security come with hooks attached that Stevens did not like?

Very curious. I doubt we'll ever know what caused this change of heart.

 

[werepossum]

That's a hell of a question. I've heard musings of this being bigger than Watergate and we ended up with a President resigning on that one. But I think we'd have to have a press willing to actually do their jobs to reach that kind of pinnacle. Obama is safe for the rest of his term.

So, the answer at this point in time is that they don't care. Once again, from what I'm hearing the ultimate fall guy is going to be an underling whose fall from grace will barely make a splash. Make no mistake about it though, he was acting as a faithful soldier should, protecting the supreme leader. Nothing was to tarnish the image of Obama and certainly not with an election weeks away. They couldn't have pesky facts negating his proclamations. If the man says he's parted the sea, they surely can't have boats out bobbing around on it.

Politician's across the land learned a great deal from Watergate. Mistakes of that caliber will not be repeated. Insulating, isolating, obfuscations and outright lying are the order of the day. We will not have another President unseated - of any party.

Obama still has his pen and he still has his phone. 990 days to go.

Edit: Oh, and it's all the Koch brothers' doing anyway. At least according to Harry Reid. http://washingtonexaminer.com/harry-reid-benghazi-is-a-koch-brothers-plot/article/2548015

Pretty much, although I disagree this is as big as Watergate. Nixon really warped the machinery of government in an attempt to destroy his enemy and save his ass. While ironically Obama has done pretty much everything Nixon did, what he's done in this particular issue has been pretty benign.

*Sigh* Fine, we'll do this dance again.

How many of those happened over a number of hours, where the embassy was surrounded by a crowd preceding the attack, and then the attack lasting hours? How many of those had proper security forces guarding the embassy? How many had advanced warnings? How many of those did we not even bother to secure the embassy after the attack, and leave it and all materials unguarded for a MONTH?

Doesn't the fact that Delta operatives could have been on the scene within an HOUR of the attack mean something? They were ordered to not violate Libyan airspace, instead landed at the nearby airstrip and waited for Libyan security forces to escort them - which delayed them another hour I think? Did Obama not know that attacking an embassy is grounds for war?

I cannot say for certain what another president would have done. I can tell you what I expect to be done in that situation: fuck Libyan airspace. Get people on the ground, and get them air support. If that means flying an AC130 gunship overhead and engaging hostile targets, fine - deal with the fallout later on once personnel are secure.

Long story short, what I find offensive about this whole thing is how people try to downplay it. How the "how could we have know?!" card has been played...this isn't a Watergate, but it certainly is indicative of Obama's abilities to lead, and potentially Hillary's as well. Reagan's response to Libyan saber rattling and their jets targeting our jets and ships was:

Well said, although there is advance notice and advance notice. We knew there were attacks coming, but not necessarily when and where - although the anniversary was certainly a reasonable guess.

Conservatives hate Obama with the fire of a million suns. They constantly talk to each other about how Obama is the 'most corrupt administration in history' and things like that. Despite all this there has yet to be a single significant scandal. This has to be infuriating to them.

Fast and Furious and the IRS targeting rise to the level of scandals by anyone's honest measure.

 

[werepossum]

Why doesn't anyone care Amb. Stevens refused additional security.

That should be way more of an issue.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/05/15/official-amb-stevens-refused-additional-security.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...ador-turned-security-report-article-1.1345119

I for one don't believe it ever happened. We have records of an ambassador repeatedly requesting additional security and being turned down. After he is conveniently dead, the story comes out that he was twice offered the additional security he repeatedly requested and turned it down without explanation - only that appears in no records. In my opinion this is nothing more than blaming the dead guy to save the living's political asses. This is the one thing that really, really pisses me off about the whole kerfuffle, and I've lost every scrap of respect for Ham over it.

 

[boomerang]

It's official, Trey Gowdy will lead the select committee on Benghazi.

Rep. Gowdy named to lead Benghazi select committee

House Speaker John Boehner made the announcement Monday afternoon.

"With four of our countrymen killed at the hands of terrorists, the American people want answers, accountability, and justice," he said. "Trey Gowdy is as dogged, focused, and serious-minded as they come."

Boehner said Gowdy's courtroom background makes him the "ideal person" to lead the newly announced investigation.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Do you think the Republicans will ever get around to investigating these embassy attacks? Why are the Democrats such better human beings than Republicans? Democrats (being decent people) didn't try to turn any of these attacks into political gain. How much longer are we going to allow the Republicans to act in such a despicable treasonous manner?

I already posted something about the attack on the Yemeni embassy and how vastly different of a situation it was. Go look it up, stop using the copy/paste responses.

Conservatives hate Obama with the fire of a million suns. They constantly talk to each other about how Obama is the 'most corrupt administration in history' and things like that. Despite all this there has yet to be a single significant scandal. This has to be infuriating to them.

I strongly dislike Obama, but I don't think he's overly corrupt. I think he's given positions to a few too many campaign contributors...but my issue with him is that he is inept. No better than Bush.

Am I looking for a conspiracy here? No. I'm looking for someone to say "Yeah, we fucked up." Because SOMEONE did. Probably more than one person. What I'm sick of is people trying to downplay the whole thing as "It's just crazy conservatives" - take that talk over to the Nevada thread...

 

[bshole]

It's official, Trey Gowdy will lead the select committee on Benghazi.

Rep. Gowdy named to lead Benghazi select committee

Gee a rabid partisan Republican from a Southern State, who would have thunk it? He just ensured his re-election.

Healthcare, the economy, social security, etc..... will all have to wait because the Republican sphincter boyz are hot on the case in a matter of pressing international consequence... Ben FUCKING Ghazi!!!! ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!

Friggin clowns.

I already posted something about the attack on the Yemeni embassy and how vastly different of a situation it was..

The difference was that the Democrats were NOT total partisan political douchebags about it. Republicans are pros in turning tragedy into political gain.

 

[RampantAndroid]

The difference was that the Democrats were NOT total partical political douchebags about it. Republicans are pros in turning tragedy into political gain.

I think it might be that there was nothing to investigate in those instances. No lack of support to be found. It could also be that a number of those happened under a republican congress, but I think it's more the former than the latter, since nothing happened after Congress flipped (D). The (D)s were douche-bags about plenty...

 

[senseamp]

Boo-hoo-hoo.
It's the drunk looking bitter face of the new GOP, like it or not:

:biggrin:

Looks like he is putting on some glasses to try to look smarter

 

[RampantAndroid]

Looks like he is putting on some glasses to try to look smarter

....so you're going to base your opinion of someone's intelligence on how they look? OK then.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

....so you're going to base your opinion of someone's intelligence on how they look? OK then.

He's likely a kid...doesn't realize how stupid he's being.

 

[UberNeuman]

He's likely a kid...doesn't realize how stupid he's being.

Yes?

\tossed down some holy water and they all run away....

 

[bshole]

....so you're going to base your opinion of someone's intelligence on how they look? OK then.

Well to be honest, what Trey is engaging in is politically intelligent and will ensure his own re-election. On the other hand, what he is doing is also morally repugnant, disgusting and BAD for America. Basically this demonstrates that Trey has one and only one interest.... Trey getting re-elected. He is a stinky piece of smegma. The Republican party has turned into a loathsome corrupt entity.

 

[sportage]

[ R U F-king Kidding Me ] Benghazi ? [ /R U F-king Kidding Me ]
[ R U F-king Kidding Me ] Hell with Benghazi. How about a little GW-Cheney-Rice accountability over 911 first off. Talk about unanswered questions. Talk about dropping the ball. Talk about cover-ups. Talk about lame excuses. Talk about ignoring the obvious. Talk about emails and memos. If republicans and Fox news need something to rant about, 911 is still there just waiting for your attention. And GW is still waiting there, down on his ranch, waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting. [ /R U F-king Kidding Me ]

 

[blankslate]

*Sigh* Fine, we'll do this dance again.

How's this for a dance step. Stop acting like the history inadequate embassy security began on Jan. 01 2009.


FFS just change your name to Rabid Android.


...

 

[berzerker60]

Yes?

\tossed down some holy water and they all run away....

This is just the dumbest meme, but it actually does inadvertently make a good point that women in the Democratic party have actually held power and had influence on the world, as opposed to Republicans represented by a bunch of pretty faces in newsrooms, beauty pageants, a governor who quit because it was too hard, and a fake hooker.