The Benghazi Story goes critical

[Jhhnn]

All you are doing is displaying your ignorance on how foreign affairs work and how embassy security is handled.

Of course. It's all Hate-Um Obama, all the time, as if Embassy/consulate security is somehow different because he's in the Oval Office. It's not.

This whole flap dishonors our dead. People in the diplomatic corps know it's a dangerous job, particularly in outposts like Benghazi. They embrace it, having the courage & fortitude necessary to serve the ends of the American People & our Govt. They do so willingly & unflinchingly, understanding that they work in an imperfect system in an even more imperfect world. They take the risks to serve us, and sometimes they pay the ultimate price.

We should honor their sacrifice, not degrade it with petty finger pointing, grandstanding, and conspiracy theorizing of the most scurrilous variety.

 

[Bowfinger]

Of course. It's all Hate-Um Obama, all the time, as if Embassy/consulate security is somehow different because he's in the Oval Office. It's not.

This whole flap dishonors our dead. People in the diplomatic corps know it's a dangerous job, particularly in outposts like Benghazi. They embrace it, having the courage & fortitude necessary to serve the ends of the American People & our Govt. They do so willingly & unflinchingly, understanding that they work in an imperfect system in an even more imperfect world. They take the risks to serve us, and sometimes they pay the ultimate price.

We should honor their sacrifice, not degrade it with petty finger pointing, grandstanding, and conspiracy theorizing of the most scurrilous variety.

This. It is shameful how so many Republicans are exploiting these deaths for political purposes. It's all about getting Obama and Clinton, not about getting the murderers who killed Stevens and the other three Americans.

 

[Cozarkian]

This. It is shameful how so many Republicans are exploiting these deaths for political purposes. It's all about getting Obama and Clinton, not about getting the murderers who killed Stevens and the other three Americans.

Holding Obama and Clinton responsible for their deliberately deceitful actions does not prevent efforts to get the murderers who killed Stevens and the other three Americans, we can do both.

I find it shameful that so many Democrats repeatedly turn a blind eye to the Obama administrations repeated scandals for political purposes. Even worse, they sometimes use a false choice fallacy to attempt to divert others who are attempting to hold our political leaders responsible.

 

[ivwshane]

Lol! I don't know if these posters are just extremely uninformed or a really fucking stupid but its apparent that their bubble is so strong that even recent history can't even penetrate it!

It was a colossal fuckup involving deaths that appears to have had at least a minor cover up. Someone should be held accountable. I just hope they use the investigation to make sure they get the correct party/parties instead of just blindly targeting select people and hoping something sticks. Then again, maybe they find out it was just a series of unrelated mistakes resulting in the tragedy.

Will be interesting to see what comes out of this one

Holding Obama and Clinton responsible for their deliberately deceitful actions does not prevent efforts to get the murderers who killed Stevens and the other three Americans, we can do both.

I find it shameful that so many Democrats repeatedly turn a blind eye to the Obama administrations repeated scandals for political purposes. Even worse, they sometimes use a false choice fallacy to attempt to divert others who are attempting to hold our political leaders responsible.

Feel free to read the report yourself or stay ignorant:

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/202446.pdf

 

[boomerang]

Well, big disappointment for Pelosi. Gowdy says there won't be equal representation on the committee because elections have consequences. The Republicans control the House and the committee will therefore be weighted in that direction the same as every other committee in place right now.

http://therightscoop.com/gowdy-rebu...-divided-because-elections-have-consequences/

Judge Napolitano says that the committee will have the power to subpoena Obama.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...ittee-on-benghazi-could-subpoena-obama-video/

 

[Matt1970]

This. It is shameful how so many Republicans are exploiting these deaths for political purposes. It's all about getting Obama and Clinton, not about getting the murderers who killed Stevens and the other three Americans.

You want to call out other people for talking points yet continue to spew out the left's. By the way, how is that investigation going seeing as how it has been almost 2 years?

 

[cabri]

This. It is shameful how so many Republicans are exploiting these deaths for political purposes. It's all about getting Obama and Clinton, not about getting the murderers who killed Stevens and the other three Americans.

What has Obama and his team done about getting those responsible?
Nothing has been publicized that I am aware of.

 

[Bowfinger]

You want to call out other people for talking points yet continue to spew out the left's. By the way, how is that investigation going seeing as how it has been almost 2 years?

Let the butt-hurt flow, little one.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

What has Obama and his team done about getting those responsible?
Nothing has been publicized that I am aware of.

They captured the filmmaker of the video and put him in prison for a year due to parole violations...other than that...pretty much squat.

 

[fskimospy]

Well, big disappointment for Pelosi. Gowdy says there won't be equal representation on the committee because elections have consequences. The Republicans control the House and the committee will therefore be weighted in that direction the same as every other committee in place right now.

http://therightscoop.com/gowdy-rebu...-divided-because-elections-have-consequences/

Judge Napolitano says that the committee will have the power to subpoena Obama.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...ittee-on-benghazi-could-subpoena-obama-video/

It's going to be interesting to watch the republicans who want to win elections fight against the crazies who want to impeach Obama. How do you throw enough red meat to appease the nuts in the base while not alienating the rest of the country?

 

[Bowfinger]

They captured the filmmaker of the video and put him in prison for a year due to parole violations...other than that...pretty much squat.

How many years did it take to get bin Laden?

 

[boomerang]

They captured the filmmaker of the video and put him in prison for a year due to parole violations...other than that...pretty much squat.

Yeah, but his capture was a knuckle biter but not so much that Obama had to vacate the situation room because he had a case of the vapors. Obama is one tough hombre. Or, maybe there was no fundraiser the next day?

 

[Jhhnn]

Holding Obama and Clinton responsible for their deliberately deceitful actions does not prevent efforts to get the murderers who killed Stevens and the other three Americans, we can do both.

"Deliberately decietful actions" not found, other than in the innuendo of the usual suspects.

OTOH, a great deal of maudlin pandering, posturing, grandstanding & making mountains out of molehills is evident from critics of the Admin, has been from the start.

Birther Benghazi impeachment hearings? Bring it on, fools. The gap between what keeps the raving faithful in the choir loft & what convinces swing voters is enormous & growing.

If Repubs are trying to find their way into the political wilderness, they're doing a great job of it.

 

[thraashman]

You want to call out other people for talking points yet continue to spew out the left's. By the way, how is that investigation going seeing as how it has been almost 2 years?

Yes I forgot how simple it is to catch people in a country where we have a limited presence and no police powers. Guess we could always invade it, poorly manage the invasion, and then invade a completely different country that had nothing to do with it.

 

[werepossum]

Yes, there are never forces beyond our control. We can anticipate all events & account for them, right? Masters of the Universe!

Utterly lame. There were 2 separate engagements a couple of hours apart, and the flight time alone was prohibitive. The second engagement was a few mortar shells lobbed at the place of retreat. It's not like we have teams locked, loaded, fully equipped, ready to embark & get briefed on the way, is it?

The second attack was much more than "a few mortar shells lobbed at the place of retreat". It was fought off because unlike Stevens, they had actual American security, former SEAL independent contractors, while the QRF was waiting at the airport for the same Libyans conducting the attack to come pick them up and take them to the fight. Oddly, that did not work out well.

It was a colossal fuckup involving deaths that appears to have had at least a minor cover up. Someone should be held accountable. I just hope they use the investigation to make sure they get the correct party/parties instead of just blindly targeting select people and hoping something sticks. Then again, maybe they find out it was just a series of unrelated mistakes resulting in the tragedy.

Will be interesting to see what comes out of this one

I agree IF someone actually fucked up instead of taking an intentional chance which in hindsight seems an obviously insane plan. There is some evidence that there was a CIA gunrunning operation and therefore dangling an American ambassador may somehow be part of it. Hard to know anything when Team Obama is being so blatantly dishonest.

Of course. It's all Hate-Um Obama, all the time, as if Embassy/consulate security is somehow different because he's in the Oval Office. It's not.

This whole flap dishonors our dead. People in the diplomatic corps know it's a dangerous job, particularly in outposts like Benghazi. They embrace it, having the courage & fortitude necessary to serve the ends of the American People & our Govt. They do so willingly & unflinchingly, understanding that they work in an imperfect system in an even more imperfect world. They take the risks to serve us, and sometimes they pay the ultimate price.

We should honor their sacrifice, not degrade it with petty finger pointing, grandstanding, and conspiracy theorizing of the most scurrilous variety.

Embassy/consulate security was completely different. We had no American security for an ambassador - that just doesn't happen, period, let alone in a dangerously un-American place like Libya. Remember, we haven't lost an ambassador since the Carter days - it's a big deal.

Personally I can't imagine why an ambassador in France has American guards yet an ambassador in Libya had none. But clearly denying repeated requests for security in unquestionably the most dangerous post occupied by an American ambassador dishonors them more so than asking for the truth.

 

[Bowfinger]

The second attack was much more than "a few mortar shells lobbed at the place of retreat". It was fought off because unlike Stevens, they had actual American security, former SEAL independent contractors, while the QRF was waiting at the airport for the same Libyans conducting the attack to come pick them up and take them to the fight. Oddly, that did not work out well.


I agree IF someone actually fucked up instead of taking an intentional chance which in hindsight seems an obviously insane plan. There is some evidence that there was a CIA gunrunning operation and therefore dangling an American ambassador may somehow be part of it. Hard to know anything when Team Obama is being so blatantly dishonest.


Embassy/consulate security was completely different. We had no American security for an ambassador - that just doesn't happen, period, let alone in a dangerously un-American place like Libya. Remember, we haven't lost an ambassador since the Carter days - it's a big deal.

Personally I can't imagine why an ambassador in France has American guards yet an ambassador in Libya had none. But clearly denying repeated requests for security in unquestionably the most dangerous post occupied by an American ambassador dishonors them more so than asking for the truth.

That's the beauty of being a wing-nut shill, one is not constrained by facts or honesty. Just make up whatever nonsense you need to justify your Obama hatred. I will say, however, it takes "special" chutzpah to accuse "Team Obama" of blatant lying while you, yourself, are lying out your ass. You have a promising future as an official RNC spokesdrone.

 

[piasabird]

Just pick someone and charge them with obstruction of justice and use the trial to dig for dirt. That is what the democrats did to some of the Bush Staffers.

 

[cabri]

How many years did it take to get bin Laden?

How long did it take to identify who was responsible by group and name?

Yes I forgot how simple it is to catch people in a country where we have a limited presence and no police powers. Guess we could always invade it, poorly manage the invasion, and then invade a completely different country that had nothing to do with it.

Bin Laden was twice being protected by a country that in essence was our enemy (or at least not friendly)

Have they even identified the people in Libya that were responsible?

A friendly government and CIA operatives in the area and not a peep - why?

 

[Jhhnn]

Embassy/consulate security was completely different. We had no American security for an ambassador - that just doesn't happen, period, let alone in a dangerously un-American place like Libya. Remember, we haven't lost an ambassador since the Carter days - it's a big deal.

You shouldn't lie about things that are soooo easy to show as lies-

Five diplomatic security special agents were in Benghazi at the time of the attack, two of whom only happened to be there because they had traveled with Stevens from Tripoli, according to testimony.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/12/politics/fact-check-benghazi-security/

That was in addition to Libyan security, as well.

Keep on shilling for the cause. The more of it the electorate sees, the more they're convinced it's all bullshit.

 

[Bowfinger]

How long did it take to identify who was responsible by group and name? ...

The last I read, they've identified two al Sharia (sp?) groups that were most actively involved, and yes, they know the leaders and some other actors. It's hard to find more details because searching on Benghazi returns thousands of links about Issa and other Republicans attacking the Obama administration (and of Democrats countering). It doesn't seem to leave much room for actually investigating the attacks, though I understand the FBI is working on it anyway. Perhaps once Issa's circus is over, he can turn attention back to that.

 

[werepossum]

You shouldn't lie about things that are soooo easy to show as lies-

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/12/politics/fact-check-benghazi-security/

That was in addition to Libyan security, as well.

Keep on shilling for the cause. The more of it the electorate sees, the more they're convinced it's all bullshit.

Luckily Benghazi is a tiny, tiny village, so anyone in Benghazi on that particular day can reasonably be assumed to have been guarding the ambassador.

I'd ask if you're really that stupid, but that particular verdict came in years ago.

 

[bshole]

Can't make this stuff up. It ain't about partisan politics, you can believe us, we is Republicans! We really really care about those Americans. We aren't raising money on their dead corpses!!

Life got awkward Wednesday morning, after it was revealed that the NRCC was fundraising off Benghazi at the literal moment that newly-appointed chairman of the Benghazi Select Committee Trey Gowdy (R-SC) was telling Morning Joe that fundraising off Benghazi was beyond the pale
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Earlier Wednesday, Gowdy had told MSNBC, “There are, even in a culture of hyper-partisanship, certain things that ought to be above politics, like the murder of our four fellow Americans.” Meanwhile an NRCC page solicited donations on a page asking contributors to become “Benghazi watchdogs.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/gowdy-to-nrcc-stop-fundraising-off-benghazi/

 

[MongGrel]

Can't make this stuff up. It ain't about partisan politics, you can believe us, we is Republicans! We really really care about those Americans. We aren't raising money on their dead corpses!!




http://www.mediaite.com/tv/gowdy-to-nrcc-stop-fundraising-off-benghazi/

 

[hal2kilo]

Ditto

 

[werepossum]

Can't make this stuff up. It ain't about partisan politics, you can believe us, we is Republicans! We really really care about those Americans. We aren't raising money on their dead corpses!!

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/gowdy-to-nrcc-stop-fundraising-off-benghazi/

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