The Benghazi Story goes critical

[Doc Savage Fan]

Maybe the GOP is claiming the other GOP investigations were incompetent? That would be good, calling their own party members incompetent.

Issa is incompetent and an embarrassment to the party.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Here's his "crime".

This is a direct attack on him based on his involvement with the video, which the admin was scapegoating to blame Americans for the terrorist attack. Couldn't be any clearer why they went after him. The "warrants out" narrative doesn't hold, this is straight up political prosecution.

His "crime" was fraud in the amounts of the hundreds of thousands if not more. Here you have a convicted felon, a fraud artist actually, on parole who has assumed a new identity and obtained government issued ID under that assumed identity. He then pleads guilty to the breach of his probation for taking those actions.

Honestly, do you think he should not have been held accountable? Or are you saing you want to ignore his guilt for all he was accused of and just claim it was political without any proof of the claim?

 

[werepossum]

Here's his "crime".

This is a direct attack on him based on his involvement with the video, which the admin was scapegoating to blame Americans for the terrorist attack. Couldn't be any clearer why they went after him. The "warrants out" narrative doesn't hold, this is straight up political prosecution.

I didn't know it was the feds who popped him, for some reason I thought it was state. Still, as VG points out there were valid reasons to take him in for using an alias, even if it was politically convenient.

Truth hurts doesn't it?

Tell me, do you get mad at the GOP? I mean, you willing ate a shit sandwich and believed them about Benghazi, and now you have to realize that they lied to you again.

Doesn't it ever upset you that defend the GOP propaganda only to proved wrong? Or do enjoy being lied to?

lol So I didn't buy into the outrage, yet you are still outraged that I am not outraged about the outrage. Gotcha.

Honestly, I just feel bad knowing that the Chelsea Manning Fan Club is being neglected while you give us the benefit of your vast intellect.

 

[Jhhnn]

lol So I didn't buy into the outrage, yet you are still outraged that I am not outraged about the outrage. Gotcha.

You defend the Benghazi hoax with false equivalency to legit investigations from Dems.

And you did it with an obvious copy/paste of prepared material from your handlers, as well.

When that's pointed out, you deflect in another direction, hoping your point stands in the minds of the True Believers.

It's one of your clumsier attempts at "They're just as bad!".

 

[werepossum]

You defend the Benghazi hoax with false equivalency to legit investigations from Dems.

And you did it with an obvious copy/paste of prepared material from your handlers, as well.

When that's pointed out, you deflect in another direction, hoping your point stands in the minds of the True Believers.

It's one of your clumsier attempts at "They're just as bad!".

Dear Diary: Today I learned that my handlers are the good folks at Google. At least, that's what insane people feel.

I do understand, you feel that all Pubbie investigations are illegitimate and all Democrat investigations are legitimate. I'm only laughing at you because you pretend that involves something beyond rat brain instincts and pre-set feelings.

 

[Jhhnn]

Issa is incompetent and an embarrassment to the party.

Hardly. He keeps the True Believers in a nicely irrational state, chasing conspiracy theories down blind alleys rather than thinking about the demonstrable failure of Repub ideology.

It's been the same for every Dem President since the contrived scandal about Bert Lance during the Carter Admin.

 

[Jhhnn]

Dear Diary: Today I learned that my handlers are the good folks at Google. At least, that's what insane people feel.

I do understand, you feel that all Pubbie investigations are illegitimate and all Democrat investigations are legitimate. I'm only laughing at you because you pretend that involves something beyond rat brain instincts and pre-set feelings.

Still deflecting, this time with straw man attribution.

And, yes, you exploit rat brain instincts and pre-set feelings for all it's worth. The usual outrage? Of course you didn't fall for it- you promoted it as knowingly as Issa himself.

 

[emperus]

Dear Diary: Today I learned that my handlers are the good folks at Google. At least, that's what insane people feel.

I do understand, you feel that all Pubbie investigations are illegitimate and all Democrat investigations are legitimate. I'm only laughing at you because you pretend that involves something beyond rat brain instincts and pre-set feelings.

These false equivalencies actually give cover for those egregious scandals we saw in the Bush Administration. An Administration lied to get us into war. I don't know how anything Obama did in this administration comes anywhere near that. And then there are the numerous 1b scandals, torture, Abu Ghareb, Katrina, Leaking Plame's identity, US attorney scandal, The Billions missing in Iraq, Not killing OBL in Afghanistan. Again, if Obama had been responsible for any one of those scandals, he would have been Impeached by now.

I even forgot what a real scandal looked like. In this climate can you imagine Biden shooting someone in the face and not having a congressional inquiry into whether Biden was capable of being VP?

 

[werepossum]

These false equivalencies actually give cover for those egregious scandals we saw in the Bush Administration. An Administration lied to get us into war. I don't know how anything Obama did in this administration comes anywhere near that. And then there are the numerous 1b scandals, torture, Abu Ghareb, Katrina, Leaking Plame's identity, US attorney scandal, The Billions missing in Iraq, Not killing OBL in Afghanistan. Again, if Obama had been responsible for any one of those scandals, he would have been Impeached by now.

I even forgot what a real scandal looked like. In this climate can you imagine Biden shooting someone in the face and not having a congressional inquiry into whether Biden was capable of being VP?

lol Wow, what are the odds that you would forget what a real scandal looks like when there's a Democrat President?

Oh yeah, 100%.

 

[emperus]

lol Wow, what are the odds that you would forget what a real scandal looks like when there's a Democrat President?

Oh yeah, 100%.

I'll play, Name me some Obama scandals and tell me how you think they ranked with Lying to get us into war in Iraq, Katrina, Torture, firing all the US Attorneys and leaking a CIA agents name for retaliation.

I'll be waiting.

 

[bshole]

I'll play, Name me some Obama scandals and tell me how you think they ranked with Lying to get us into war in Iraq, Katrina, Torture, firing all the US Attorneys and leaking a CIA agents name for retaliation.

I'll be waiting.

Dude, are you really equating the War in Iraq with Katrina?!!! They aren't even in the same solar system!

 

[emperus]

Dude, are you really equating the War in Iraq with Katrina?!!! They aren't even in the same solar system!

Reread my post again. This time slowly...

 

[werepossum]

I'll play, Name me some Obama scandals and tell me how you think they ranked with Lying to get us into war in Iraq, Katrina, Torture, firing all the US Attorneys and leaking a CIA agents name for retaliation.

I'll be waiting.

Actually it was CLINTON who fired ALL the US Attorneys, an act never before seen. Bush's "scandal" was when he fired four. It was anti-war career State Department Richard Armitage who outed Plame, NOT Bush.

Katrina was primarily a state and local failure; the federal government cannot come in until asked. It was worse than it needed to be because Blanco waited, trying to figure out a way to legally have other states' National Guard troops sent in under her command. But I'll grant you that once the feds were invited in, Brown proved as inept as, well, his resume would have suggested.

Torture is arguable, and I'll grant you that Bush's performance in selling the Iraq war was far worse than anything Obama's done. In fact, the only Obama scandals (in my judgment) that I can recall are the IRS targeting and Fast and Furious, and I don't know that either of those originate with Obama. Although he did own Fast and Furious when he declared that the entire federal government was under executive privilege; that was a new wrinkle. And he and Holder have done yeoman's work helping the IRS avoid any actual accountability. But those two things may have been done after the facts to limit political damage, which can accrue regardless of whether one actually did anything wrong. I can remember the BATFE running amok under Carter too and I doubt he told them specifically to do anything wrong.

 

[Jaskalas]

The man is no martyr. To frame him in such terms is treading awfully close to Stewox territory.

He was convicted of crimes in 2010. Does that mean we are free to politically persecute him for making that video? I stand by his right to produce unpopular speech and not go to jail for it. If you're arguing past crimes gives us the right to abuse people, does that apply to prison rape? Even bad Americans have rights, and using an alias on a video was no crime. Attacking him for that is political persecution.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Actually it was CLINTON who fired ALL the US Attorneys, an act never before seen. Bush's "scandal" was when he fired four.

Sorry, nope.

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/mar/23/nation/na-talking23

 

[Victorian Gray]

He was convicted of crimes in 2010. Does that mean we are free to politically persecute him for making that video? I stand by his right to produce unpopular speech and not go to jail for it. If you're arguing past crimes gives us the right to abuse people, does that apply to prison rape? Even bad Americans have rights, and using an alias on a video was no crime. Attacking him for that is political persecution.

He broke the terms of his probation. He broke the law. He was caught. He paid the price. BooHoo.

 

[fskimospy]

He was convicted of crimes in 2010. Does that mean we are free to politically persecute him for making that video? I stand by his right to produce unpopular speech and not go to jail for it. If you're arguing past crimes gives us the right to abuse people, does that apply to prison rape? Even bad Americans have rights, and using an alias on a video was no crime. Attacking him for that is political persecution.

So enforcing the terms of someone's probation is political persecution.

Now I've heard it all.

 

[xBiffx]

So enforcing the terms of someone's probation is political persecution.

Now I've heard it all.

So terms of probation include removal of God given rights.

Now I've heard it all.

:whiste:

 

[fskimospy]

So terms of probation include removal of God given rights.

Now I've heard it all.

:whiste:

What god given right did the terms of his probation remove?

 

[TerryMathews]

I'll play, Name me some Obama scandals and tell me how you think they ranked with Lying to get us into war in Iraq, Katrina, Torture, firing all the US Attorneys and leaking a CIA agents name for retaliation.

I'll be waiting.

I like how Clinton made your list :thumbsup:

 

[werepossum]

Sorry, nope.

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/mar/23/nation/na-talking23

It was customary to replace the sitting US Attorneys (who do serve at the President's pleasure) with one's own political choices, yes. But never before had a President fired them all in his first week on the job.

In any case I was pointing out that this was Clinton, not Bush. I wouldn't argue that Clinton did not have the right to do so, but if one is going to be outraged one has at least the responsibility to be outraged at the correct President, no?

So terms of probation include removal of God given rights.

Now I've heard it all.

:whiste:

Doesn't probation inherently require at the least infringement of G_D-given rights?

 

[fskimospy]

I like how Clinton made your list :thumbsup:

Not to mention Reagan and Bush 1 and GWB at the start of his administration!

I mean the attorney firing thing under GWB was a pretty significant scandal - it's almost certainly the reason for Alberto Gonzalez's resignation.

 

[xBiffx]

What god given right did the terms of his probation remove?

None from what I can see, I didn't say that they had.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

So terms of probation include removal of God given rights.

Now I've heard it all.

:whiste:

So creating a false identity and then obtaining a California drivers license under that fraudulent identity is a god given right? Cause that's what he plead guilty to in breach of his probation.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

He was convicted of crimes in 2010. Does that mean we are free to politically persecute him for making that video? I stand by his right to produce unpopular speech and not go to jail for it. If you're arguing past crimes gives us the right to abuse people, does that apply to prison rape? Even bad Americans have rights, and using an alias on a video was no crime. Attacking him for that is political persecution.

And you still completely ignore the crimes he committed while on probation which can be demonstrated for your claimed political persecution which there is zero proof of. Gotcha.