The Benghazi Story goes critical

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ivwshane

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For myself; this is a big concern. Will the government try to find out what happened and will they actually release that info.

As information is being dragged/trickled out; it seems that the Obama administration is fighting such release of information al the way from the first 5 minutes until now or sending out false directions.

But as more info is being released; the dirty story and 20/20 hindsight shows that it seems that there was serious misdirection and a hush over attempt on revealing information.

The attitude is/was that "We know what is best - you do not"


As to your second sentence bolded; I am sure that they will do lip service.
But without a disclosure (full) on the first; how well can the American people determine is being done on the second item.

Even now they are closing embassies around the region because of a threat assessment. The embassies are there to support US interests and citizens.

When in our history did we shutter embassies except when in wartime. Are we now at war with Kuwait or Jordan?

Initially State seems to have dropped the ball and wanted to blame others based on statements from that arena.

Then the blame on a video; when information has shown otherwise and was known before the statements were made

The cover up (from my POV) of being concerned about intruding on sovereign territory so much that the risk of Americans and an ambassador was not worth an attempt at air cover.

Now the issue of arms flow is surfacing.

The answers have been available since December of last year in the report that you didn't read that I linked to multiple times in another Benghazi thread.
 

ivwshane

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Let me do a cliffs on your post.

"Blah, blah Bush. Bush, blah, blah. More comparisons to Bush. Bush, Bush, Bush. My heroes are doing a great job. I'm a better 'murican than you."

Oh and you really made my day painting yourself as some kind of non-partisan deity. Pathetic.

No, he pretty much summed you up in a couple of short sentences.

He described you both to a T.
 

EagleKeeper

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The answers have been available since December of last year in the report that you didn't read that I linked to multiple times in another Benghazi thread.

I read the report.

The report also seems have had additional information becoming available since them.

Where did that information come from.

The original report was a partial white wash - created as many questions as answers.

An example is the military option.
Two or three conflicting answers were presented; depending on who the questions were asked and were they softball tossups.

Can not fly over Libya territory
  • Sovern of airspace
  • Approval needed by Libya and State

Ground Support
  • Time to arrive on station
  • Inability to do anything once on station
  • Proper planning

And my answer to all 6 of those excuses were political fear of sticking their necks out.

Libya residents already violated US territory by attacking the embassy (and allowed by Libya forces)
So why are they worried about US protecting it's citizens.

It would take 2 hrs to have a F18 overhead
CIA controlled drones would have been overhead sooner had the request been made.

The complete incident lasted at 5-6 hours from the first alert until it was determined that all were dead.

An F18 could have provided some air cover - but no one had the gumption to give it a chance. The attackers would at least give some thought about what may be available in armaments.

Planning can be done in a two hour time span while the F18 would be on route;
Tankers could be launched to the support additional aircraft.

Where they wanted boots on the ground; an option could have been made available. It was not. Seals/Marines could be two hours behind the F18s.
Four hours of planning on what to do and available options.

In other words; everyone ignored/vetoed any options that would embarrass Libya and State.
 
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It's funny what happens when an ambassador is killed isn't it dipshit.

Well I'm sure President Romney will get to the bottom of it. After his mandate of a win in the '12 election, it's only a matter of time before he solves the mystery of Benghazi.
 

monovillage

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Well I'm sure President Romney will get to the bottom of it. After his mandate of a win in the '12 election, it's only a matter of time before he solves the mystery of Benghazi.

Look at this, it's almost a year later and Benghazi is still in the news in the mainstream media and the Obama administration is still stonewalling and covering up what actually happened there. Much to the dismay of partisan scum like First, Benghazi is still a story, the American public still doesn't know what happened there and it looks as if it's likely that the story will continue on and have an impact on the 2014 elections. It may even have enough stamina to effect Hillary's run in 2016.

Stonewalling and covering up is bad public policy and Obama should have known it and come clean at the beginning.
 

berzerker60

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Just FYI, nobody gives half a shit about Benghazi who isn't already a die-hard Fox News Republican. It will have 0 impact on any future elections, other than maybe driving voter turnout a little, but since the people who would care about Benghazi are already frothing at having been beaten by Obama again, I doubt there's much more by way of gains for the GOP to make in that area.

You're right that it will show up if/when Hilary runs though, since that's the whole reason it's being pushed so hard and so long.
 

Attic

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Just FYI, nobody gives half a shit about Benghazi who isn't already a die-hard Fox News Republican. It will have 0 impact on any future elections, other than maybe driving voter turnout a little, but since the people who would care about Benghazi are already frothing at having been beaten by Obama again, I doubt there's much more by way of gains for the GOP to make in that area.

You're right that it will show up if/when Hilary runs though, since that's the whole reason it's being pushed so hard and so long.

You are going full retard here.
 

TerryMathews

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Just FYI, nobody gives half a shit about Benghazi who isn't already a die-hard Fox News Republican. It will have 0 impact on any future elections, other than maybe driving voter turnout a little, but since the people who would care about Benghazi are already frothing at having been beaten by Obama again, I doubt there's much more by way of gains for the GOP to make in that area.

You're right that it will show up if/when Hilary runs though, since that's the whole reason it's being pushed so hard and so long.

I bet Nixon is spinning in his grave right now. It's amazing how much the media has changed in 40 years.

"god dammit, where were these no talent ass clowns when I was getting run out of the white house?"

I wonder what would've happened to Daniel Ellsberg if he had today's media to deal with back then.
 

Jaskalas

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Just FYI, nobody gives half a shit about Benghazi who isn't already a die-hard Fox News Republican. It will have 0 impact on any future elections, other than maybe driving voter turnout a little, but since the people who would care about Benghazi are already frothing at having been beaten by Obama again, I doubt there's much more by way of gains for the GOP to make in that area.

You're right that it will show up if/when Hilary runs though, since that's the whole reason it's being pushed so hard and so long.

Benghazi is an issue that may be used to expose an illegal arms transfer.
 

TerryMathews

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Benghazi is an issue that may be used to expose an illegal arms transfer.

Cue the liberals whining "Reagan got away with illegal arms transfers. You're only going after Obama because he's black." in 3...2...1...

Theyll conveniently forget about all the hearings and Poindexter and North taking the bullet for him and Bush Sr.
 

berzerker60

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Sorry to upset you all so much by telling the truth. Nobody cares about Benghazi outside of the Fox News bubble world in which Romney was certain to win right up until he oh-so-bafflingly lost.
 

MiniDoom

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Sorry to upset you all so much by telling the truth. Nobody cares about Benghazi outside of the Fox News bubble world in which Romney was certain to win right up until he oh-so-bafflingly lost.

That why cnn and other news sources are now covering it? oh and former obama voter here...
 

Jaskalas

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Cue the liberals whining "Reagan got away with illegal arms transfers. You're only going after Obama because he's black." in 3...2...1...

Theyll conveniently forget about all the hearings and Poindexter and North taking the bullet for him and Bush Sr.

Well that's the thing... if this isn't checked out - there'll be no need for a fall guy. No stain on Obama's record even. Just business as usual.

I was thinking that with CNN now mentioning it, perhaps it has gained traction.
 

Attic

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Sorry to upset you all so much by telling the truth. Nobody cares about Benghazi outside of the Fox News bubble world in which Romney was certain to win right up until he oh-so-bafflingly lost.

You take a bit too much credit. It's more laughing at you and your partisan hackness than being upset.

Benghazi is still about getting to the truth of what happened. CNN is doing prime time report tomorrow on it.

Just try to unwind your tongue from obummers asshole on this, that's not where the truth is trying to escape from.
 
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berzerker60

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That why cnn and other news sources are now covering it? oh and former obama voter here...
1) It's coming up on the anniversary, making it possible to do retrospectives, not because of some BIG NEW INFORMATION; 2) There's money in it, and CNN is nothing if not hacky entertainment 'news'

What "other news sources"? Wall Street Journal? New York Times? Washington Post? Or just Fox News and some local newspapers reprinting AP stories on slows news days?

"Laugh at me" all you want, I'm not the one huffing and puffing about a non-story and deluding myself into thinking it's going to matter electorally.
 
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MiniDoom

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1) It's nearly the anniversary, not some BIG NEW INFORMATION; 2) There's money in it, and CNN is nothing if not hacky entertainment 'news'

What "other news sources"? Wall Street Journal? New York Times? Washington Post? Or just Fox News and some local newspapers reprinting AP stories on slows news days?

"Laugh at me" all you want, I'm not the one huffing and puffing about a non-story and deluding myself into thinking it's going to matter electorally.

yep, nothing to see here. just cia agents selling weapons to al qaeda in syria. move along, non-story...
 

xBiffx

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yep, nothing to see here. just cia agents selling weapons to al qaeda in syria. move along, non-story...

Not to mention under the watch of the next likely democrat candidate for president. I mean why would even democrats care about that fact.
 

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...is still a story...

Only in the weakest of terms, so weak that the investigations (like those into the IRS) have clearly stalled in the House, with no new credible details on Benghazi and progressive groups being targeted by the IRS.
 

DucatiMonster696

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The amount of moral relativism being pushed by some people in this thread is very strong.
 
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monovillage

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Sorry to upset you all so much by telling the truth. Nobody cares about Benghazi outside of the Fox News bubble world in which Romney was certain to win right up until he oh-so-bafflingly lost.

Then why is it a top story at CNN?
 
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