The Benghazi Story goes critical

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Jhhnn

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True. We can't even really know if they are covering up because there are vital secrets at risk or simply because they can, just to avoid embarrassment or criminal charges.

Oh, please. We can't even tell if there is anything to cover up, so you should stop assuming that there is.
 

Bowfinger

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Those are good points.

You hold our current President to the same standard, yes?
Certainly. In my very first post in the first Benghazi thread, I criticized the Obama administration for not being more forthcoming in acknowledging it was a terrorist attack. While I recognized that Rice hedged in her statements that Sunday, always saying they were still investigating and it might have been something more than a spontaneous attack, I found it unconvincing. There were so many others, mostly on the right, who adamantly asserted that everyone knew right from the very start that there was no demonstration in Benghazi that day.

The irony, of course, is that we now know that the administration's first statements were consistent with the CIA's initial assessment of the attack. The CIA assumed this was related to the other demonstrations and stated this in their initial draft of the talking points. Of course IIRC, the first CIA draft also stated that they knew extremist elements were involved, a point that mysteriously never made it into the final talking points. That was wrong, IMO.
 

Fern

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Joe DiGenova, a lawyer in a firm representing representing witnesses from Benghazi, says sources claim about 400 surface to air missiles were (likely) taken in the Benghazi attack.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...ery-ugly-people-says-whistleblowers-attorney/

Even more potentially shocking, DiGenova claimed the missiles are now in the hands of Al Qaeda operatives, according to his sources. His sources include “former intelligence officials who stay in constant contact with people in the Special Ops and intelligence community.”

“And it’s pretty clear that the biggest concern right now are 400 missiles which have been diverted in Libya and have gotten in the hands of some very ugly people,” he added.

What was not immediately clear is why the U.S. government had stockpiled 400 surface-to-air missiles somewhere in Libya, or when exactly they were stolen and where they were taken from, although the suggestion seems to be the were taken around the time of the attack.

He also said the Obama administration is “deeply concerned” that the weapons may be used to shoot down airliners.

In an interview with WMAL radio, Joe DiGenova explained that the stolen missiles also represent one of the reasons the U.S. State Department shut down 19 embassies across the Middle East last week.

Fern
 

soundforbjt

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Joe DiGenova, a lawyer in a firm representing representing witnesses from Benghazi, says sources claim about 400 surface to air missiles were (likely) taken in the Benghazi attack.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...ery-ugly-people-says-whistleblowers-attorney/



Fern

From the last lines on the article, it sounds like he doesn't really know for sure:

When asked if the weapons were taken from the annex on the night of September 11, DiGenova said “that I do not know, whether they were at the annex.” However, the attorney said “it is clear that the [CIA] annex was somehow involved in the process of the distribution of those missiles.”
 

Jaskalas

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I thought the attention from CNN heralded something new... clearly I was mistaken. This story became a dud. Maybe they just wanted to look back in history and have it noted that they mentioned it.
 

davmat787

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Wow, getting pissed off at a youtube video and they hit a gold mind of MANPad's instead! If it is true of course, that many MANPad's would take up a lot of room.
 

Jhhnn

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bshole

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Yeh, and Iraq's WMD's were spirited away to the Bekaa Valley by Spetsnaz, Right?

How desperate is your need to Believe, anyway?

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its hysterically funny. Next thing you know, there will be yellow cake uranium there, then chem weapons and then suitcake nukes. It's all one big conspiracry by OBama to DESTROY America. Bahahahahahaha!!!!!

Damn do they have to jump the shark on every single conspiracy/"scandal" that they gin up? I mean they literally jump it on every one. We need to see the birth certificate.... um ok..... well how do we know that the birth certificate isn't fake....... blah blah blah.

These clowns are absolutely horrible at smearing a president. The gyrations they go through make them look ever so much worse than the president that they are trying to smear. They attempt to throw shit at the president and end up hitting each other. It is quite amusing actually.
 

Darkman

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John Kerry Clears State Department Employees Punished By Clinton Over Benghazi…

Posted on August 20, 2013 by sundance

Via WeaselZippers who says:

“So it’s official, absolutely no one has been punished over Benghazi”.



Last December, Clinton’s staff told four mid-level officials to clean out their desks and hand in their badges after the release of the report of its own internal investigation into the Benghazi attack, compiled by the Administrative Review Board led by former State Department official Tom Pickering and former Joint Chiefs Chairman Ret. Adm. Mike Mullen. Those four officials have been in legal and professional limbo, not fired but unable to return to their jobs, for eight months… until today. Continue reading →

Read more: http://theconservativetreehouse.com...-employees-punished-by-clinton-over-benghazi/
 
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I wonder what the Republicans will become emotionally invested in once Benghazi disappears from the news. I can't imagine that they would become concerned over a real issue like health care and propose solutions for it. Why worry about something like health care when you can focus on more important things like Benghazi and vaginal ultrasound probes.

The party insiders are probably working on "scrubbing the stupid" from the surface of the Republican Party so that the general populace isn't exposed to more honest thoughts about rape. (Another Republican said what about rape !?!)
 

Angry Irishman

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I wonder what the Republicans will become emotionally invested in once Benghazi disappears from the news. I can't imagine that they would become concerned over a real issue like health care and propose solutions for it. Why worry about something like health care when you can focus on more important things like Benghazi and vaginal ultrasound probes.

The party insiders are probably working on "scrubbing the stupid" from the surface of the Republican Party so that the general populace isn't exposed to more honest thoughts about rape. (Another Republican said what about rape !?!)

You honestly think the Democrats are any better? Both parties can get stuffed.
 

monovillage

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I wonder what the Republicans will become emotionally invested in once Benghazi disappears from the news. I can't imagine that they would become concerned over a real issue like health care and propose solutions for it. Why worry about something like health care when you can focus on more important things like Benghazi and vaginal ultrasound probes.

The party insiders are probably working on "scrubbing the stupid" from the surface of the Republican Party so that the general populace isn't exposed to more honest thoughts about rape. (Another Republican said what about rape !?!)

It's not as if there's a lack of scandals coming down the pike. The IRS, the NSA, the Obama administrations stonewalling, cover ups, blocking FOIA requests etc. etc. etc. The Obama administration is the worst Presidential administration in 50 years.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2013/08/20/benghazi-scapegoats-reinstated/

In May, Senator Rand Paul criticized the Obama administration’s lack of discipline over the attack on the American mission in Benghazi. In particular, Paul claimed that “no one was fired.” Was that true? The Washington Post’s “fact-checker” Glenn Kessler was determined to evaluate the truth of Paul’s claim. Kessler found that four officials were removed from their State Department posts but were not actually “fired,” as we understand the term. .....................

That, really, was the point of Paul’s tirade anyway. When Clinton eventually was called to testify on Benghazi, Paul said he would have fired her for her incompetence. As for the officials back at work after being put through this bit of theater, no harm no foul, right? Not so fast, according to Raymond Maxwell, a scapegoat from the bureau of Near Eastern Affairs:

“No explanation, no briefing, just come back to work. So I will go in tomorrow,” Maxwell said.

Maxwell previously told The Daily Beast that the reasons for his administrative leave designation had never been explained to him. He contended that he had little role in Libya policy and no involvement whatsoever in the events leading up to the Benghazi attack.

“The overall goal is to restore my honor,” Maxwell had said.

While not a formal discplinary (sic) action, Maxwell regarded his treatment as punishment because he was not able to work and was publicly identified as being blamed for the tragedy that cost the lives of four Americans, including his friend Ambassador Chris Stevens.

His reputation had been unfairly sullied with no explanation. He was reactivated with no explanation. But he has spent the better part of a year having been blamed by the administration for the death of an American ambassador and three others, so what will the administration do to make sure his name is cleared? What will Clinton do to make it right?

Furthermore, if these officials aren’t (fully) to blame for what happened, who is? Surely the fact that disciplinary action was taken suggests the State Department believes someone deserves opprobrium for the tragedy–or was it not serious enough, in Kerry’s judgment, to warrant anything more than a shuffling of desks around the office?
 
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I wonder what the Republicans will become emotionally invested in once Benghazi disappears from the news. I can't imagine that they would become concerned over a real issue like health care and propose solutions for it. Why worry about something like health care when you can focus on more important things like Benghazi and vaginal ultrasound probes.

The party insiders are probably working on "scrubbing the stupid" from the surface of the Republican Party so that the general populace isn't exposed to more honest thoughts about rape. (Another Republican said what about rape !?!)

4 Americans were murdered and obama and his moron supporters don't care for political purposes. Typical leftist.
 

DominionSeraph

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It's not as if there's a lack of scandals coming down the pike. The IRS, the NSA, the Obama administrations stonewalling, cover ups, blocking FOIA requests etc. etc. etc.

You have no idea how the conservative bubble you're in is built, do you?

The IRS targeting Tea Party groups was defused already by the release that they targeted liberal groups as well. Can't really maintain the farce of, "Oh we're a persecuted minority" when it can be countered with data that easily slips in and can be processed at a conservatard's mental level.

The NSA's operations are supported by Republicans. There was just a bill to repeal the NSA's sanction, and it was voted down by both sides. So again, it's not something that will work. "It's the Democrats' fault!" can be countered with facts that will fit in a conservatard's head.

"Stonewalling" isn't a specific thing, but simply used to describe any instance where Democrats won't admit to every baseless accusation that conservative talk invents.
"President Clinton, did you murder Vince Foster?"
"No."
"HE'S STONEWALLING! WHEN WILL WE GET THE TRUTH?"
Woohoo, scandal!
Conservative talk can use it as random fill to feed their brain dead viewers, but it's not meat unto itself.

Likewise, the specific FOIA denials. They've been upheld by the courts. So while conservative talk can stimulate their viewers', "I'M A WHITE CHRISTIAN SO IF I WANT IT IT'S MINE MINE MINE; YOU CAN'T DENY ME MY GOD-GIVEN RIGHT TO GET WHATEVER I WANT," reflex, they can't really go with it as a forced continuing headlining story because that level of focus would make the underlying self-absorption obvious. Conservatards may not be very bright, but they'll notice retarded imbalance if you line everything up for them right in front of their faces. Conservative talk knows this, and so knows to avoid it. They know when to keep attacks down to mindless single-point sound bytes. It wouldn't be a successful multibillion dollar business if they couldn't figure out that much.


A proper headlining conservative media scandal has to be a bubble that only applies to Democrats and that requires more than two sentences to burst the BS. A conservatard will not go more than two sentences out of his way so that gives us the encapsulation we need.
 
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monovillage

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You have no idea how the conservative bubble you're in is built, do you?

The IRS targeting Tea Party groups was defused already by the release that they targeted liberal groups as well. Can't really maintain the farce of, "Oh we're a persecuted minority" when it can be countered with data that easily slips in and can be processed at a conservatard's mental level.

A lie that been refuted by the IRS Inspector general, but little baby bronies like yourself continue to spew it.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/27/irs-auditor-reaffirms-conservatives-not-liberals-w/

http://www.wired.com/underwire/2011/06/bronies-my-little-ponys/

The NSA's operations are supported by Republicans. There was just a bill to repeal the NSA's sanction, and it was voted down by both sides. So again, it's not something that will work. "It's the Democrats' fault!" can be countered with facts that will fit in a conservatard's head.

There's always a few Republicans that support the NSA and the loss of freedom, no dispute there, but this administration has taken that loss of freedom a giant leap further.
 

DominionSeraph

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A lie that been refuted by the IRS Inspector general, but little baby bronies like yourself continue to spew it.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/27/irs-auditor-reaffirms-conservatives-not-liberals-w/

http://www.ibtimes.com/irs-tea-part...ts-show-irs-targeted-progressives-too-1392677

The continuing data just isn't in the direction the Republican spinmeisters need it to be. They can keep up the bold BS proclamations for a time, but there's just nothing coming in that adds to the spin.


>June 2011

You're posting a 6 month late-to-the-party article two years late.
Are you just hearing of lolcats and numa numa as well? Hey, maybe in 20 years you'll get my avatar.
 
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werepossum

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A lie that been refuted by the IRS Inspector general, but little baby bronies like yourself continue to spew it.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/27/irs-auditor-reaffirms-conservatives-not-liberals-w/

http://www.wired.com/underwire/2011/06/bronies-my-little-ponys/

There's always a few Republicans that support the NSA and the loss of freedom, no dispute there, but this administration has taken that loss of freedom a giant leap further.
No dispute that the Obama administration has taken this behavior a giant leap further, but more Democrats than Republicans (percentage-wise) supported the recent Republican bills to end the NSA spying even though it was a Republican bill attempting to rein in a Democrat administration. It's a bipartisan problem, but the Dems are marginally better on it than are the Pubbies.
 

monovillage

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No dispute that the Obama administration has taken this behavior a giant leap further, but more Democrats than Republicans (percentage-wise) supported the recent Republican bills to end the NSA spying even though it was a Republican bill attempting to rein in a Democrat administration. It's a bipartisan problem, but the Dems are marginally better on it than are the Pubbies.

How is this particular administration on the issue ?
 

monovillage

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http://www.ibtimes.com/irs-tea-part...ts-show-irs-targeted-progressives-too-1392677

The continuing data just isn't in the direction the Republican spinmeisters need it to be. They can keep up the bold BS proclamations for a time, but there's just nothing coming in that adds to the spin.

It's not my fault if you can't tell the difference between
"The latest document dump in the IRS affair includes a 2010 training presentation that instructs IRS employees to screen both “progressive” and “tea party” groups applying for tax-exempt status. "

and which groups they actually targeted.
 

werepossum

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How is this particular administration on the issue ?
The Obama administration is the worst ever on this issue.

Unfortunately I have little faith that the next administration, be it Democrat or Republican, won't be even worse.
 
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