You're probably right, but it doesn't mean I won't still oppose it by kicking and screaming the whole way down.
The Obama administration is the worst ever on this issue.
Unfortunately I have little faith that the next administration, be it Democrat or Republican, won't be even worse.
That's all well and good, as long as in kicking and screaming we don't usher in a new administration that is even worse and thinks it has a mandate to do pretty much the same thing - as long as they aren't the old administration. It's no secret that I generally despise the Republican Party somewhat less than the Democrat Party, but this is an issue where I'm even more leery of the Pubbies. (Except my state's Pubbies; my Representative and Senators are all on the right side. If memory serves, only Tennessee's lone Democrat Representative was on the wrong side.)You're probably right, but it doesn't mean I won't still oppose it by kicking and screaming the whole way down.
I have no idea if the administration is lying and stonewalling because of serious malfeasance, or to protect vital national secrets, or to protect against relatively minor lapses being blown up for political attacks, or simply habit and a general disdain for the American public. (We're such children.) I can't even be sure how much truth is in all the allegations of a very deep cover-up with monthly lie detector tests and posting agents to out-of-the-way places - sometimes these things get blown up from one or two actual things to a supposed massive cover-up. I can easily imagine one or a few CIA assets being sent away to keep secret an embarrassing and/or dangerous secret totally unrelated to Benghazi, thereby causing a cascade of rumors and attribution of many unrelated occurrences to a massive Benghazi cover-up. Who really knows? As Fern says, probably key facts are missing or the facts we think we have are wrong. It's the freakin' Kennedy assassinations all over again.No, it doesn't make sense.
I've found that often when something doesn't make sense key facts are missing or the facts we think we have are wrong.
Fern
Um, you DO know we recovered over five hundred tons of yellow cake uranium in Iraq, right? Under our supervision it was sold to Canada, whose reactors can use yellow cake uranium. (Most reactors need yellow cake uranium to be significantly enriched before being useful as fuel.)ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its hysterically funny. Next thing you know, there will be yellow cake uranium there, then chem weapons and then suitcake nukes. It's all one big conspiracry by OBama to DESTROY America. Bahahahahahaha!!!!!
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That's all well and good, as long as in kicking and screaming we don't usher in a new administration that is even worse and thinks it has a mandate to do pretty much the same thing - as long as they aren't the old administration. It's no secret that I generally despise the Republican Party somewhat less than the Democrat Party, but this is an issue where I'm even more leery of the Pubbies. (Except my state's Pubbies; my Representative and Senators are all on the right side. If memory serves, only Tennessee's lone Democrat Representative was on the wrong side.)
Fern said it best:
I have no idea if the administration is lying and stonewalling because of serious malfeasance, or to protect vital national secrets, or to protect against relatively minor lapses being blown up for political attacks, or simply habit and a general disdain for the American public. (We're such children.) I can't even be sure how much truth is in all the allegations of a very deep cover-up with monthly lie detector tests and posting agents to out-of-the-way places - sometimes these things get blown up from one or two actual things to a supposed massive cover-up. I can easily imagine one or a few CIA assets being sent away to keep secret an embarrassing and/or dangerous secret totally unrelated to Benghazi, thereby causing a cascade of rumors and attribution of many unrelated occurrences to a massive Benghazi cover-up. Who really knows? As Fern says, probably key facts are missing or the facts we think we have are wrong. It's the freakin' Kennedy assassinations all over again.
Um, you DO know we recovered over five hundred tons of yellow cake uranium in Iraq, right? Under our supervision it was sold to Canada, whose reactors can use yellow cake uranium. (Most reactors need yellow cake uranium to be significantly enriched before being useful as fuel.)
Interestingly, Libya had one of the longest running nuclear weapons programs in the Arab world, partnering at times with India, the Soviet Union, Japan, Argentina, Red China, even (briefly) Belgium, but mostly of course Pakistan. After a US naval interdiction in October 2003, Quadhafi came clean and in December 2003 signed an agreement admitting his not-so-secret nuclear program and opening his facilities to international inspection. (Certainly he had been told he was going to be the next Iraq, which in 2003 was still a credible threat.) We found that although his centrifuges were more advanced than we had thought, Libya had taken possession of only a few hundred of the 10,000 Quadhafi had contracted to buy to produce up to ten deployable bombs a year. Most of the yellow cake Quadhafi purchased from Niger was apparently resold to Pakistan in return for technical assistance - although honestly he doesn't seem to have received much value for his millions and his uranium - but we did ship 25 tons of yellow cake uranium, centrifuges, and other components from Libya to Oak Ridge, TN in 2004. So the reason there was no yellow cake uranium in Libya is - Bush. http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/libya/nuclear.htm
Now you know.
Yes, I know that. It's the main reason I discounted the British story about Hussein approaching Niger about buying yellow cake uranium even before it was revealed to be a French hoax. Whatever the reason Hussein approached Niger, it surely wasn't to buy more of the yellow cake uranium he had in abundance with very little means of utilization. Niger doesn't really sell anything else Iraq would need, so I'm guessing he was feeling them out for clandestine oil shipments in return for transshipment of contraband from other nations.And you do know that that yellow cake Uranium you're referring to is something that had been in Iraq since before the first Gulf War and the U.S. and U.N. were completely aware of it and it had been documented.
As Fern says, probably key facts are missing or the facts we think we have are wrong. It's the freakin' Kennedy assassinations all over again.
Benghazi lulz.
Laugh all you want. It's over 11 months later, and I still don't have the answers I want to hear, it's still on fox and they are going to negatively tie it to Hillary's presidential run. I'll be making sure everyone hears about this before, during and after the 2016 elections unless and until this administration gives me the answers I want to hear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny3bOmey-BE
lolz
Fixed it for you
Or maybe there's no there, there, no matter how badly you want for there to be.
I'll go with "facts we think we have are wrong" because they're not facts at all. They're just motivated reasoning of the worst sort, an Issa specialty.
Laugh all you want. It's over 11 months later, the American public still doesn't have the answers it wants,
And by "American public", he means a tiny, rabid, American-hating, muck-raking, tea-partying pack of partisan hacks who just love rolling in the shit. They don't seem to realize that all the manure is getting on them and none of it is reaching the president. These idiots are gonna ride this dead horse straight into electoral defeat in the next election if they aren't careful. The absolute best thing for the Democrats is for these goons to pursue the issue.
4 Americans are dead and you don't seem to care. obama was responsible for what happened after by blaming the video.
2. No intentional misquoting with the intent to alter a member's quote as a means to insult said member.
and tell it to this CNN reporter.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi..._holding_no_one_responsible_for_benghazi.html
Or perhaps there is something there and it's not being made available to the public for a whole slew of political reasons. The facts or lack of facts as you speak of can be spun both ways. No one has proven yet that without a doubt there is absolutely no basis in fact for any potential faults and possible outright lies....as much as many wish.
It's OK to be skeptical of your government....it really is. Even if this "motivated reasoning" may jeopardize a Democrat taking the next presidential election. In fact we should all be skeptical and demanding of our government because it works for us and that's really an American premise that's being swept aside these days.
Even if there are no "facts" as you say there is the matter of responsibility...or the lack of. Ultimately the POTUS and Secretary of State ARE responsible even if for a lapse of effective leadership and negligence. This lapse got people killed...Americans. The Brits and even the Red Cross apparently had better intel than us as they took the threat seriously and their folks left the area. It is a fact that requests for increased security measures were ignored and even denied. It is also a fact that none of that nasty business of unfortunate American deaths was going to be of any help to a presidential candidate during election time.
I'd have the same opinion for a Republican POTUS or SECSTATE given the same situation. It's called being an American first and not worshiping political parties or mere men who hold office because of the American people.
Lol! You will notice that I removed your name from the quote, jackass!
So you circumvented the rule by stripping his name from the quote, even though it is the post directly above.
Wouldn't it make more sense to directly quote him and then make your point?
So you circumvented the rule by stripping his name from the quote, even though it is the post directly above.
Wouldn't it make more sense to directly quote him and then make your point?
I nominate Incorruptible to become the official spokesperson of Ted Cruz. I don't think even Texas could vote for that jackass in that situation!
Yeah, Keep calling me names thinking your a tough guy on an internet forum.
And every single one of those issues was addressed in December 2012, accountability, fixes, and all. Not a single person here has said this story should be ignored but rather shit shouldn't be made up for political purposes.
Nor should it be ignored or stonewalled for political purposes. Issues addressed, government report.....laughable. Given the current track record of what is basically lies and deceit from the NSA to the IRS I suppose I should just drink the Kool Aid? And again, it goes back to responsibility for the deaths...who's responsible/accountable for not recognizing the threat and acting accordingly to protect the consulate? Who? Apparently know one.....
No, I intentionally left his name out because, A) he didn't say that and B) it's the thinking of every nutter in this thread.
Do you want to cry about it some more?
it's still going to negatively effect Hillary's presidential run.