The Benghazi Story goes critical

[Angry Irishman]

Oh, so it's all really just political posturing, centered around the presidential campaign, as I offered. Why don't you just say so?

How did it get to be a campaign issue, anyway? OH, I remember- Mitt made it one, rather desperately, had this look on his face as he walked away after the slime attack-

That's a self satisfied chickenshit smirk, isn't it?

I don't disagree that old Mitt tried to spin the tragedy for himself. I don't recall where I wrote otherwise.

The issue is bigger than political campaigning. How is it OK for the (then) Sec of State to walk scot-free from this situation? How is OK that no one so much as lost their jobs? This wasn't a random unknown about event without forewarning....it was pure negligence to leave our folks there...period. It sure would look bad though to pull them out of Libya considering how we were the saviors of that shithole. Moving out just wouldn't look good to the remainder of the world or the presidential voting base.

Your missing the point altogether. I don't care about the politics or the parties. I care that no one from the POTUS down has been held responsible in any way...regardless of what their party affiliation is. Is that so wrong? I wouldn't even label the situation a scandal; I'd define it as an unresolved lack of leadership and accountability.

And good Lord....don't talk to me about smirks. Our current POTUS is a master of body language and facial expressions.

 

[BlueWolf47]

I've been out of the loop. Has Benghazi become a scandal yet - or ARE the same jagoffs still pushing it as a SCANDAL.

I dont know but the suspense is killing me. I feel like the definition for the word scandal got changed on me overnight because its clearly lost its meaning.

 

[BlueWolf47]

I don't disagree that old Mitt tried to spin the tragedy for himself. I don't recall where I wrote otherwise.

The issue is bigger than political campaigning. How is it OK for the (then) Sec of State to walk scot-free from this situation? How is OK that no one so much as lost their jobs? This wasn't a random unknown about event without forewarning....it was pure negligence to leave our folks there...period. It sure would look bad though to pull them out of Libya considering how we were the saviors of that shithole. Moving out just wouldn't look good to the remainder of the world or the presidential voting base.

Your missing the point altogether. I don't care about the politics or the parties. I care that no one from the POTUS down has been held responsible in any way...regardless of what their party affiliation is. Is that so wrong? I wouldn't even label the situation a scandal; I'd define it as an unresolved lack of leadership and accountability.

And good Lord....don't talk to me about smirks. Our current POTUS is a master of body language and facial expressions.

Exactly, its not a scadal but more of a tragedy from neglecting to take warnings with proper urgency.

But, I do remember the CIA briefing the white house almost daily that an attack was going to take place months before 9/11. Over 2000 citizens died and i dont remember anyone taking responsibility for the lack in leadership.

The truth is, there are bound to be instances where leadership fails and something tragic happens. Its more important to make sure protocols are in place to keep this from happening again. However, if this were to happen again, clearly heads should roll.

 

[Angry Irishman]

Exactly, its not a scadal but more of a tragedy from neglecting to take warnings with proper urgency.

But, I do remember the CIA briefing the white house almost daily that an attack was going to take place months before 9/11. Over 2000 citizens died and i dont remember anyone taking responsibility for the lack in leadership.

The truth is, there are bound to be instances where leadership fails and something tragic happens. Its more important to make sure protocols are in place to keep this from happening again. However, if this were to happen again, clearly heads should roll.

Exactly the point I'm trying to make...

The only difference I would point out is the tragedy against the Trade Towers may not have been avoided as the intel was a very general warning; the consulate in Libya was pretty damn pointed. Enough so to drive others countries to abandon their operations and clear out their citizens.

I couldn't help but notice last week the embassy security actions that were taken as a result of intel threats. Maybe Benghazi was a lesson learned and drove that action.

Also, what I haven't witnessed from Hillary or her boss at the time was a genuine acknowledgment of a neglectful course leading up to and during the incident. I would have so much more respect for both if that were the case.

 

[ivwshane]

Exactly the point I'm trying to make...

The only difference I would point out is the tragedy against the Trade Towers may not have been avoided as the intel was a very general warning; the consulate in Libya was pretty damn pointed. Enough so to drive others countries to abandon their operations and clear out their citizens.

I couldn't help but notice last week the embassy security actions that were taken as a result of intel threats. Maybe Benghazi was a lesson learned and drove that action.

Also, what I haven't witnessed from Hillary or her boss at the time was a genuine acknowledgment of a neglectful course leading up to and during the incident. I would have so much more respect for both if that were the case.

Find a new news source then.

 

[Angry Irishman]

Find a new news source then.

Oh I get all I need off of ATOT...its always so accurate.

If you are referring to her testimony in front of Congress then move along as that doesn't count or qualify. Based on her performance as Sec of State I don't think it's very prudent to hand her the nuclear football any time soon either.

 

[Jhhnn]

The issue is bigger than political campaigning.

Only in the sense that it and the rest of the contrived scandals are an attempt to discredit the Obama Admin for political ends. It's still pure political pontificating that outlived the election, another expression of the underlying rationale behind birtherism. When you got nothin' constructive for the future, dwell on the past, tear down the opposition.

 

[Angry Irishman]

Only in the sense that it and the rest of the contrived scandals are an attempt to discredit the Obama Admin for political ends. It's still pure political pontificating that outlived the election, another expression of the underlying rationale behind birtherism. When you got nothin' constructive for the future, dwell on the past, tear down the opposition.

Do you really think the left side of the aisle is so much better; completely absolved of the same political pontification you mention? Sure they aren't..... Both Republicans and Democrats are to blame for this activity and very active to meet their political ends. Again, I don't see Benghazi as a scandal, I see it as a decision making shortcoming that needs to be answered for. That's the responsibility that comes with leading this country or accepting the position of Sec of State.

So, how's the state of the union....you happy with what you see? Should we blame Bush or his predecessor(s)? Truth be told his presidency and those before him at least partially contributed to our current woes but it's very unrealistic to blame our existing problems entirely on the past. We could place that blame although it's been over 5 years now that our current administration has been at the helm...I think that option is now expired. For that matter what has transpired under Obama that equates to progress? What would you deem constructive?

To be clear, I criticize the current administration because of the consistent lack of leadership which maintains the stalemate and feeds our problems....not because of the Democratic party. The POTUS is the captain of our ship and it's taking on water faster than it's pumped out.

Divide and conquer tactics seems to be having the desired effect......

 

[TerryMathews]

Only in the sense that it and the rest of the contrived scandals are an attempt to discredit the Obama Admin for political ends. It's still pure political pontificating that outlived the election, another expression of the underlying rationale behind birtherism. When you got nothin' constructive for the future, dwell on the past, tear down the opposition.

Anybody but Boosh!!!!

 

[Incorruptible]

I've been out of the loop. Has Benghazi become a scandal yet - or ARE the same jagoffs still pushing it as a SCANDAL.

Typical leftist. 4 Americans are dead and you idiots think it's not serious. obama blamed a video and locked up an innocent Christian but if he was Muslim the left would be outraged like the hypocrites they are.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Typical leftist. 4 Americans are dead and you idiots think it's not serious. obama blamed a video and locked up an innocent Christian but if he was Muslim the left would be outraged like the hypocrites they are.

It's serious, but not inordinately so. Benghazi has received far, far more attention, for political reasons, than the incident itself is worth. In contrast, how much effort have the Republicans given to proposing real solutions for our nation's health care problem other than "don't get sick, and if you get sick, die quickly"? How much effort have they put into addressing our nation's trade deficit? Global warming problems? Etc.

 

[Incorruptible]

It's serious, but not inordinately so. Benghazi has received far, far more attention, for political reasons, than the incident itself is worth. In contrast, how much effort have the Republicans given to proposing real solutions for our nation's health care problem other than "don't get sick, and if you get sick, die quickly"? How much effort have they put into addressing our nation's trade deficit? Global warming problems? Etc.

Benghazi is a serious issue. obama blamed it on a video and lied to the families of the victims and the American people.

An innocent Christian is still in jail.
He apologized to the Muslim world for our belief in free speech.
The people responsible still haven't been caught.
He and the media brushed aside the issue for political purposes.

 

[BlueWolf47]

Benghazi is a serious issue. obama blamed it on a video and lied to the families of the victims and the American people.

An innocent Christian is still in jail.
He apologized to the Muslim world for our belief in free speech.
The people responsible still haven't been caught.
He and the media brushed aside the issue for political purposes.

That christian broke other laws not pertaining to the video. So the talking points are the entire focus of the scandal? Thats what i figured. They should have just said its under investigation.

It wasnt like they said aliens invaded and attacked the embassy. The had a plausible explantion because the video caused protest at embassies across the arab world. And he called it an act of terror days after so cry me a river.

If only republicans spent as their time trying to solve domestic issues instead of manufacturing a scandel.

 

[TerryMathews]

I've been out of the loop. Has Benghazi become a scandal yet - or ARE the same jagoffs still pushing it as a SCANDAL.

Where are you all this morning?http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/29/benghazi-emails-point-at-white-house/8471737/

 

[fskimospy]

Where are you all this morning?http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/29/benghazi-emails-point-at-white-house/8471737/

When I saw your post I expected something really scandalous. All I saw was the exact same stuff that we've seen all along. I doubt you meant to do this bit your post is kind of adding further evidence to why the one you quoted nailed it.

 

[TerryMathews]

When I saw your post I expected something really scandalous. All I saw was the exact same stuff that we've seen all along. I doubt you meant to do this bit your post is kind of adding further evidence to why the one you quoted nailed it.

I guess the smoking gun you all insisted didn't exist isn't proof enough?

 

[fskimospy]

I guess the smoking gun you all insisted didn't exist isn't proof enough?

No, I just think that there is no 'smoking gun' anywhere in that story. I mean the entire report is incredibly benign. I have to say that I'm consistently amazed at what passes as a 'scandal' to conservatives in the Obama era.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I guess the smoking gun you all insisted didn't exist isn't proof enough?

Where does what you posted say anything about a desire to blame it on "protests that didn't happen"? Other than the articles intended message?

That is the point eskimospy is making.

 

[TerryMathews]

No, I just think that there is no 'smoking gun' anywhere in that story. I mean the entire report is incredibly benign. I have to say that I'm consistently amazed at what passes as a 'scandal' to conservatives in the Obama era.

Does it matter to you that the actual email is available? http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-...-point-white-house-misleading-talking-points/

 

[cabri]

I guess the smoking gun you all insisted didn't exist isn't proof enough?

For those that defend Obama, there is nothing that will convince them that the administration did anything wrong; Grey can be Black or White based on the need.

For those that despise Obama, there is nothing that can be presented that clears the administration; where there is smoke there is fire.

 

[fskimospy]

Does it matter to you that the actual email is available? http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-...-point-white-house-misleading-talking-points/

No, I just read through that and it still seems super benign. I remain baffled.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

A WH official urged amenable political spin from, of all people, the WH press secretary? That's your smoking gun?

 

[TerryMathews]

A WH official urged amenable political spin from, of all people, the WH press secretary? That's your smoking gun?

Considering they insisted it didn't happen, yes.

This is the equivalent, to me, of finding an email from Boehner to Issa saying "Find something, anything to smear Barry."

 

[fskimospy]

Considering they insisted it didn't happen, yes.

This is the equivalent, to me, of finding an email from Boehner to Issa saying "Find something, anything to smear Barry."

To me it would be the equivalent of Boehner telling his press secretary to put forth news in a favorable light - something that I imagine he says literally every day.

I was interested to open that initial link to see what exciting and juicy thing had been uncovered. I'm still waiting.

 

[TerryMathews]

To me it would be the equivalent of Boehner telling his press secretary to put forth news in a favorable light - something that I imagine he says literally every day.

I was interested to open that initial link to see what exciting and juicy thing had been uncovered. I'm still waiting.

Not favorable light, manufactured circumstances. There is a difference.