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dpham00

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Originally posted by: soundforbjt
That is much different then a speaker company using cheaper parts to put together a cheaper speaker and sell it for less, then saying the cheaper speaker is better than more expensive speakers.

They (Fluance) do not say they're better than higher priced speakers.....reviewers and owners do.

Bottom line as I said in an earlier post, Find a better set for the price new and I'll buy them.

ditto. i'm not gonna argue whether or not these are better than other speakers in another price range. basically, i want some good speakers. i'm not an audiophile, and i don't need the best equipment out there. i don't doubt that there are better sounding speakers out there, but are they in this price range? i have yet to see anyone in this thread offer a similar system at a similar price.

a lot of people here seem to have negative things to say about these speakers, but my guess is most of them haven't even heard these speakers.

the only people who should be commenting on how these sound and on their quality is people who have seen and heard them.

and ultimately, my main goal is to get affordible speakers that i enjoy.
 

ValsalvaYourHeartOut

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Originally posted by: C'DaleRider
I think one should educate their ears to speakers by going to a true high-end audio store, a smaller shop usually, that deals good speakers like Thiel, Snell, B&W, Sonus, Vandersteen, Revel, Dunlavy and the like.

WHAT????? You didn't even list Bose!!! Best highs, best lows. MUST BE BOSE!!! Everybody knows that, man. Get with the program. Those brands you listed are LOW-END. The high-end QUALITY brands are FLUANCE, JBL, KLH, Sony, Panasonic, and Polk -- there's a reason why BB, CC, and Tweeter carry those brands and not the garbage you mention. I made the same mistake that you did, and bought the B&W 802's...huge mistake...I sold them for a set of Bose speakers and never looked back.

Buying off the web without listening in your own home? Silly at best. ...Imaging, soundstage, frequency response.........cannot hear these on the web .........and forget BB, CC, Tweeters, and the like.

WHAT??? Forget imaging, soundstage, linear response, and all that golden-ear garbage...what you want are WATTS!!!! More watts = better. Everybody knows that. That's why some speakers include amps inside for more "watterage." Watterage can be determined by multiplying volteration by amperage. The best speakers include special crossovers like the ones inside my Bose...150Hz is the ideal frequency to transition my subwoofer to my satellites.

The bottom line is that Fluance speakers have overwhelmingly outstanding reviews on the 'net by expert reviewers who have compared to other high-end brands like Bose, JBL, and KLH. $200 is an incredibly HOT DEAL for 5 speakers that sound like they cost $20,000....man, I'm surprised JokerSmoker didn't post this deal, it's so hot. Fluance is able to cut $19,800 off the retail price because they don't have a big advertising budget.

Valsalva
 

Marauder-

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Alrighty Valsalva - I dont think we can take anymore... Anyways- where'd you get your B&Ws? I just recently got a really good deal on a set of Polks but they aren't too breath-taking. I think my Sony DA4ES can compensate them a bit b/c of the separate equilizers but I think I can still get a better deal by fleabaying them and going for higher end used stuff.
 

soundforbjt

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Here's part of a review on B&W 802's

"I feel the SS25 is superior to the Nautilus 802's except in terms of low frequency extension and dynamics. Having said that I felt the 802's sounded somewhat anemic given their size"


If you ever get the chance, visit a professional recording studio where they mix the music you listen to. You will not find any $8000 speakers anywhere in the place. They want the flattest frequency response possible to get a true sound of each instrument. Most of the playback speakers cost less than $800. So, if you want to hear the music as the engineer intended, get what they use. And they don't use $2000 cables either.
 

ValsalvaYourHeartOut

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Originally posted by: soundforbjt
Here's part of a review on B&W 802's

"I feel the SS25 is superior to the Nautilus 802's except in terms of low frequency extension and dynamics. Having said that I felt the 802's sounded somewhat anemic given their size"


If you ever get the chance, visit a professional recording studio where they mix the music you listen to. You will not find any $8000 speakers anywhere in the place. They want the flattest frequency response possible to get a true sound of each instrument. Most of the playback speakers cost less than $800. So, if you want to hear the music as the engineer intended, get what they use. And they don't use $2000 cables either.

Oh, c'mon, man. The Silver Signature 25's sound anemic compared to my Fluances!!! I'm talking hypochromic microcytic anemic...

But just as an aside, B&W is the #1 brand of speaker monitors used in *classical* music studios worldwide. If I were you, I would stay clear of any "professional" studio that uses crappy equipment -- some recordings are so crappy that you just want to wring the engineer by the neck.

And no, I don't own a pair of 802's...if you want B&W, you can "try" bargaining with your local dealer, but YMMV big-time...their prices are well-controlled.

Valsalva
 

XCLAN

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funny...
I post a deal on some 300$ speakers and it turns into a war of....buy these 900$ a PAIR speakers discussion.
i have 4 systems in my house....prices range from 1300$ to 350$ {onkyo HTB}....and the fluances sound great. the ONKYO{HTB}would be great if yer really on a tight buget because for 320$ shipped. u can get them with a reciever and a subwoofer. The fluances sound better....but are bulkier. plus u have to spend a couple hundred more on a sub and reciever.
 

wshtb000

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WHAT??? Forget imaging, soundstage, linear response, and all that golden-ear garbage...what you want are WATTS!!!! More watts = better. Everybody knows that. That's why some speakers include amps inside for more "watterage." Watterage can be determined by multiplying volteration by amperage. The best speakers include special crossovers like the ones inside my Bose...150Hz is the ideal frequency to transition my subwoofer to my satellites.
Valsalva

Valsalva, if you don't know, then don't say. Watt is only a very tiny factor. Think about tube amp. Many cost $5000 while puting out only 30watt.

For systems below $2000, amplifiers is usually the bottleneck. I audit $7000 amp paired with $400 speaker, and it just blow away my $1000 pair. It put out only 180 watt and it is astonishingly good. I don't know anything about imaging, soundstage, linear response, but what I can hear is pure cleanness!

Bose are known to be crap. Any subwoofer should not be crossed above 80hz. Just search on the web and you will see. And there are NO special crossovers, it is just plain simple. In some sense, 150 Hz is ideal for Bose, because their satellite won't handle anything below that.
 

soundforbjt

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Originally posted by: wshtb000
WHAT??? Forget imaging, soundstage, linear response, and all that golden-ear garbage...what you want are WATTS!!!! More watts = better. Everybody knows that. That's why some speakers include amps inside for more "watterage." Watterage can be determined by multiplying volteration by amperage. The best speakers include special crossovers like the ones inside my Bose...150Hz is the ideal frequency to transition my subwoofer to my satellites.
Valsalva

Valsalva, if you don't know, then don't say. Watt is only a very tiny factor. Think about tube amp. Many cost $5000 while puting out only 30watt.

For systems below $2000, amplifiers is usually the bottleneck. I audit $7000 amp paired with $400 speaker, and it just blow away my $1000 pair. It put out only 180 watt and it is astonishingly good. I don't know anything about imaging, soundstage, linear response, but what I can hear is pure cleanness!

Bose are known to be crap. Any subwoofer should not be crossed above 80hz. Just search on the web and you will see. And there are NO special crossovers, it is just plain simple. In some sense, 150 Hz is ideal for Bose, because their satellite won't handle anything below that.

Sorry you did'nt get it.....He was kidding!!

 

ValsalvaYourHeartOut

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Originally posted by: wshtb000
Valsalva, if you don't know, then don't say. Watt is only a very tiny factor. Think about tube amp. Many cost $5000 while puting out only 30watt.

That's entirely false. Everybody on Anandtech knows that watterage is the best predictor of sound quality. A 60W tube amp would sound TWICE as good as your puny 30W amp because it has TWICE the watterage.

For systems below $2000, amplifiers is usually the bottleneck. I audit $7000 amp paired with $400 speaker, and it just blow away my $1000 pair. It put out only 180 watt and it is astonishingly good.

That's entirely true. By pairing my $10,000 McIntosh amp with my $100 KLH speakers, I can make my system sound at least as good as my $6000 B&W 802's (that is, BEFORE I replaced them with my Bose). ...because it's common knowledge that variations in frequency response linearity, phase, and distortion are extremely high in amplifiers, whereas these variations are virtually nonexistent in loudspeakers.

[/quote]I don't know anything about imaging, soundstage, linear response, but what I can hear is pure cleanness! [/quote]

"if you don't know, then don't say"....oh the irony.

Bose are known to be crap. Any subwoofer should not be crossed above 80hz. Just search on the web and you will see.

I searched the web and almost everybody agrees that Bose is best. Best highs, best lows, must be Bose!!!

And there are NO special crossovers, it is just plain simple.

The Bose crossovers are extraordinarily special because they give the best highs and best lows...crossovers are almost as important as watterage, ya know. If you have the wrong ohmerage, you mess up your ampilation, which causes deviations in your volteration response curve. Any expert working at CC/BB/GG/Tweeter can tell u this. It's not like I'm making it all up.

Valsalva
 

mawg

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Valsalva, man you gotta stop, yer killin' me. I was laughing so hard I almost fell off my chair. the only thing that stopped me was a blast of 2nd order linear hamonic distortionage that fell out of my LaScalas.

 
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Allright GERLZ....(yes, girls)...I've been listening to the raging debate on 16 different forums for the past few years, so let me assist, if I may.

I'm an audiophile. I don't have Harmon Khardon, or Bang & Olufsen. I have Sony, Onkyo, and a 35-year-old Sansui receiver with 45lb speakers (solid oak cabinets, about 1" thick, with a 12" bass, 10" mid, and 4" tweeter). 180Watts. I can't turn the volume past half or I won't have windows in my house. Or hearing.

However, modern recordings (of, oh, say the past 10 years) push the audible range beyond what my poor Sansui can handle (lots of rumbling from the bass...poor things).

So, a few years ago I started poking around. I know several professional audio folks (one is a Home Theater Architect, who gets paid ridiculuous amounts of money to create specific HT setups for people who buy Mercedes 500's like candy).

I've been a musician (including violin and piano) for most of my life, though not professionally speaking.

It's been noted by several doctors that my hearing is way above and below the normal human audio range.

Enough of the credentials.

Here's the meat.....

For those who are willing to spend over $1k (which precludes the majority of AT posters....if you can easily blow this amount, what're you doing HERE? ), there are nice places like Tweeter and Ovation that'll sell you very expensive, albeit incredible sounding, audio and video components. You will spend a large sum, but have an audio system that'll have lightsabers flying around your head (and through it, I might add).

I've listened to $3,000 speaker systems, specifically the Lord of the Rings, and heard sounds I didn't know existed. It was mesmerizing. So was the price

I've listened to the cheapie KLH speakers (and less, I might add), and heard decent sound, but nothing to write home about.

For those of us with champagne taste and beer budgets, the middle of the road must do.

Recommendations:

RECEIVER----
Sherwood does make a good receiver. That $80 receiver posted previously will do. And I mean do. It won't blow you away, but it will give you a decent signal.

I HIGHLY recommend, as stated previously, the YHT-5550 receiver from Yamaha. Yamaha makes some of THE best receivers out there. It's a shame we can't speak the same quality to their speakers.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...22875-3455243?v=glance&s=electronics&n=507846

$229 at Amazon, I haven't finished digging around to see if I can find it cheaper. Bundle that with a good discount from Amazon (like free shipping, or a discount off x-purchase), and you end up with a damned good receiver.

This particular receiver is the standard used by several audio stores in my area when showing off speakers (ie, speaker rooms). I always find it amusing the HK/Denon/BO units are in another room. Speaks for itself.

This is not by any means stating any other receiver is 'bad'. Absolutely not. It's as stated previously up to YOUR ear. However, if you want to hit the bullseye without blowing the wad, this is the place to start.

SPEAKERS---
Same thing with the Fluances....without buying the $200/speaker Athenas (and you still don't have rears or a sub), you get DAMNED good sound for $200. These come highly recommended by the authorities stated above for the average home user who doesn't want to blow $1,000 on an HT system.

We're up to ~$450 at this point, roughly including shipping and discounts.

SUB--
This is definitely one point where it's up to the individual. I like a solid-sounding base, for example, without the 'boom' or 'hmf!' a lot of younger folks seem to be hooked on (I blame Bazooka for this ). As stated previously, if a T-Rex is stomping, I should hear and feel it.

Hope this helps.

 

deeznuts

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for people trying to get good deals on higher end speakers, like B&W, try www.audiogon.com i don't know if i can post it, because it does have an auction section, but more importantly it has a classified section and a dealer showcase. pretty good place to get deals on used and new equipment.
 

DaRana1

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MonkeyWithAnUZI - Thanks for the well written post. I was seriously considering the Yamaha's, but OneCall had such a good deal on the Onkyo SR800 I couldn't pass it up.

Valsalva - yatta

Ahh well, done with this thread. If anyone has serious questions about Fluance speakers, feel free to PM me. Or check out http://www.hometheaterforum.com for some great discussion about home theater and everything related.
 

Cybordolphin

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Its pretty spooky when folks start recommending Bose speakers. That is when its time to leave the room quickly.

Spend a little time before you spend ANY money on your speakers. Nothing is worse than trying to convince yourself and everyone else that your HT sounds just peachie coming from a couple of soup cans.

If you are on a very tight budget, you may consider the EFE modified speakers. Ed Frias can do amazing things to some low end speakers. He is a crossover guru. For instance what he has done to the below speakers is just about legendary.

BIC Center
DV-62CLR (DO NOT GET THE NEWER "S" VERSION * The original is 25" wide not $20")

BIC Front towers
DV-64

I am happy to give Ed's email address to those interested.

While I am very hard pressed to recommend anything that is bought without listening first, you may want to check out some of the remarks from Ed's customers. Lots of words used like "miraculous", "amazing", "Unbelievable", etc..


As far as BOSE goes..... that is just plain silly (yes I have owned them). Don't even waste your time with them. Unless you like listening from "soup cans".

 

Cybordolphin

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Yes.

But (the words Bose and highend together make me cringe) note others comparing these Fluance to being such a great deal compared to them.

At $199.00, I am not sure what you could compare them to.

They are using only 6 1/2" drivers and smaller which is a real plus (8" drivers just are not fast enough to reproduce the midrange). These actually might be a good experiment to send to Ed Frias, as long as the enclosures are half way decent. He allows you to ship him your crossovers, and he works his magic, then sends them back. Might be an idea. For another $100 (I think he charges around $30 per speaker - just do the fronts) they might produce a lot better sound.
 

dpham00

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well, i got my set today. they sound ok, but i'll let them burn in and see how they really sound.

they look and feel pretty sturdy.
 

jkh43

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I am in the market for some new HT speakers and came across this thread. From what I can find, these really do appear to be the best budget speakers availible (love to hear from anyone who know of speakers or this quality for a comparable price).

I plan on ordering a set of these soon but I was curious if there was anyone else out there who has ordered these speakers (or at least heard them) that could give their opinion.

I am leaning toward the SX-HTB system (dual 6 1/2" drivers, matching tweeters, wood finish ,etc.) vs the AV-HTB (single 6 1/2" driver, main tweeter different than others, black finish, etc.). I would prefer the black finish, but for some reason I get the impression that the SX-HTB would be the better sounding system (it is $50 more expensive).

Has anyone heard both systems, or have an opinion on what the differences are and which would be better from the specs? It seems all the reviews I have seen are for the AV-HTB, has anyone seen a review on the SX-HTB?

And what about their higher-end speakers (SV-10, etc.), does anyone have any experiences or opinion on them? If it would make a big difference, I would gladly pay more and piece a system together with the SV-10s, etc.

TIA for any responses/opinions, I am excited to get new speakers and would love to get some feedback/opinions before making the leap.
 

ExplodingBoy

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I'd also like to know what the real-world differences are between the two types of 5-spkr setups. The oak-finish spkrs do appear to have better features, yet I'd probably be happier with an ash finish.
 

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I exchanged some email correspondence with their customer servive rep a while back. Fluance gives you 3 days to evaluate the speakers within which you can return at your own cost for a full refund minus shipping costs. That means if you don't like the speakers you spend almost $100n (to and fro shipping) for nothing. If you work during the day and sleep at night, you get precious little time to try out the speakers within the 3 days, factoring in any break in time. Most carriers don't ship on weekends which means you are likely to get it on a weekday (Friday would be good, Monday would be bad !)

Seems its to much of a gamble based on reviews. Speakers are very personal and vary according to your room and personal tastes... I'd rather see them pay for the return shipping specially if they are confident a customer would keep the speakers.

Outlaw Audio has a similar business philosophy but at least they give a 30 day return policy.
 

huesmann

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Perhaps you could indicate where you are located and one of the forum denizens who owns a set will be kind enough to let you come over and listen to his system, if you're local to him.
 
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