The bible is scientifically accurate, check the proof

Arkitech

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I hear a lot of people say that they feel the bible should'nt really be taken seriously or that its a book of fiction. I respect their opinon if thats how they feel but check out some of the facts and see if you feel the same way afterward.

I'm sure most people will agree that for quite some time the popular opinion was that the earth was supported by some type of visible means. The Atlas myth was that the planet was supported on the shoulders of a giant. Then there was the belief that the earth was held up by 4 elephants standing on a giant turtle. But before people actually learned that the Earth did not need to be supported by any physical means there was this verse in the bible.

Job 26:7 - He is stretching out the north over the empty place, hanging the Earth upon nothing.


Then there was also the belief for many years that the Earth was flat, but before it was proven that the Earth was a sphere there was this verse.

Isaiah 40:22 - There is the One who is dwelling above the circle of the Earth (partial quote)


Here's even more proof, at one time people thought that oceans and seas spilled water off the ends of the Earth. The reasoning was that since rivers constantly ran into the oceans and seas that they should have overflowed, so they invented the notion the reason the oceans did'nt flood over was because the water literally ran off the edge of the planet. But again the bible preceded that notion with scientifically verifiable proof

Ecclesiastes 1:7 - All the winter torrents are going forth to the sea, yet the sea itself is not full. To the place where the winter torrents are going forth, there they are returning as to go forth.

Basically scientists did'nt figure out the water cycle until hundreds of years after this verse was written


Still not convinced, keep reading a little further. Medical science has recently in the last few decades realized that the mental condition affects the state of the human body. Again this was in the bible way before popular opinion embraced it.

Proverbs 14:30 - A calm heart is the life of the fleshly organism, but jealousy is rottenness to the bones
Proverbs 17:22 - A heart that is joyful does good as a curer, but a spirit that is stricken is making the bones dry


Here's one more example of science in the bible. In the 17th and 18th century, physicians treated the sick and they also often served as morticians. During that time doctors did yet realize the importance of being properly sanitized after working with the dead, so they would unknowingly pass on bacteria and germs to their patients and even newborn babies that they delivered. But if you go back to one of the earliest books of the bible, it emphasized cleaning up after touching or handling the dead.

Numbers 19:11 - Anyone touching the corpse of any human soul must be unclean for seven days. 12 - Such one should purify himself with it on the third day and on the seventh day he will be made clean. But if he will not purify himself on the third day, then on the seventh day he will not be clean.






So basically my point in posting this is if the bible is just fiction or contradiction how is it possible for it to be so scientifically accurate on all those different occasions?
 

geno

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<< Then there was also the belief for many years that the Earth was flat, but before it was proven that the Earth was a sphere there was this verse.

Isaiah 40:22 - There is the One who is dwelling above the circle of the Earth (partial quote)
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The quote says "circle" not "sphere", therefore your quote proves nothing, end of thread
 

Novgrod

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Rather than contradict every point (which I'd be glad to do, were there not class in half an hour) I'll just remind you that the bible claims that the whole world flooded. Genesis itself has two stories of creation--one in which plants require man's presence, and another in which plants preceed man.

Anyway, I'm assuming this is flamebait of some variety. Hope you had fun.
 

Nemesis77

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How about all the things that bible got wrong?

Like:

The bible incorrectly says there are 4 legged insects. There are no insects anywhere that have 4 legs
The bible incorrectly states that rabbits (hares) chew their cud.
The bible incorrectly claims that a bat is a bird. It's not
The bible incorrectly claims that snakes eat dirt. They dont
The bible incorrectly claims that camel doesn't have split hooves. It does
The bible incorrectly claims that the earth is stationary. It isn't
 

Arkitech

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<< Rather than contradict every point (which I'd be glad to do, were there not class in half an hour) I'll just remind you that the bible claims that the whole world flooded. Genesis itself has two stories of creation--one in which plants require man's presence, and another in which plants preceed man.

Anyway, I'm assuming this is flamebait of some variety. Hope you had fun.
>>



How would you explain the fact the archaeologists have found a variety of seashells on several different mountains?

As far as the Genesis account goes, God created plants and later after he created man he gave him the instruction to cultivate the Earth. Cultivate also means to care for or look after.
 

Arkitech

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<< How about all the things that bible got wrong?

Like:

The bible incorrectly says there are 4 legged insects. There are no insects anywhere that have 4 legs
The bible incorrectly states that rabbits (hares) chew their cud.
The bible incorrectly claims that a bat is a bird. It's not
The bible incorrectly claims that snakes eat dirt. They dont
The bible incorrectly claims that camel doesn't have split hooves. It does
The bible incorrectly claims that the earth is stationary. It isn't
>>




Can you direct me to where some of those statements are? I'm familiar with the one about snakes, I think there's a verse that snakes will eat dust. I have'nt researched whether snakes eat dust or not but its not to hard to believe that they do. The average human will inadverently consume several pounds of dirt in a lifetime, so it does'nt surpise me that a snakes diet might consist of a certain percentage of dirt/dust.
 

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How about these other inconsistencies....

a talking snake (Genesis 3:4-5)
a tree bearing fruit which, when eaten, gives knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 2:17; 3:5-7)
another tree the fruit of which gives immortality (Genesis 3:22)
a voice coming from a burning bush (Exodus 3:4)
a talking donkey (Numbers 22:28)
rods turning into serpents (Exodus 7:10-12)
water changing into blood (Exodus 7:19-22)
water coming from a rock (Numbers 20:11)
a dead man reviving when his corpse touched the bones of a prophet (II Kings 13:21)
people rising from the dead (e.g., I Kings 17:21-22; II Kings 4:32-35; Acts 9:37-40).
the sun standing still (Joshua 10:13)
the parting of a sea (Exodus 14:21-22)
iron floating (II Kings 6:5-6)
the shadow going back ten degrees (II Kings 20:9-11)
a witch bringing the ghost of Samuel back from the dead (I Samuel 28:3-15)
disembodied fingers writing on a wall (Daniel 5:5)
a man living for three days and nights in the belly of a fish (Jonah 1:17)
people walking on water (Matthew 14:26-29)
a virgin impregnated by God (Matthew 1:20)
blindness cured by spit (Mark 8:23-25)
a pool of water that can cure the ailments of those who dip in it (John 5:2-4)
Isaiah causing the sun to move backwards (2 Kings 20:11)
Aaron turning dust into lice (Exodus 8:17).
God speaking to Moses through a burning bush (Exodus 3:2).
Lot's wife being turned into a pillar of salt (Gen. 19:26).
Egyptian sorcerers conjuring millions of frogs (Exodus 8:7).
Jesus feeding 5,000 people with five loaves of bread and two fish (Matthew 14:19-21).
the devil taking Jesus into an exceedingly high mountain to show him all the kingdoms of the world. (Matthew 4:8)

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Nemesis77

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<< Can you direct me to where some of those statements are? >>



Sure:

"Bat is a bird": Leviticus 11:13-19
"Rabbits eat their cud": Leviticus 11:6
"Insects have 4 legs": Leviticus 11:20-22
"Camels don't have split hooves": Leviticus 11:4
"Earth is stationary": Psalms 93:1, 1 Chronicles 16:30, 1 Chronicles 16:30
 

killface

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Just a couple of quick points:
When was the verse on the water cycle written? The water cycle was known 500 BC.
Egyptians knew the earth was wasn't suspended by anything 1000's of years BC, as did the aztecs and several other civilizations.
 

Arkitech

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<< What about the religious propaganda (AKA 'sacred' texts) of the countless other religions?

I agree with Novgrod that this thread is merely flamebait.

Before I post this comment, I wanted to include one of the many interesting sites the Internet offers regarding the bible:
The Bible - Its Evolution, Contradictions and Inconsistencies
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I have to admit that I'm ignorant of the texts and documents of religions that don't use the bible. However I will make this comment that the bible is the oldest publication on Earth, its also the most popular. It still is widely available despite the fact that there have been numerous attempts by kings and other rulers to wipe out its existence. Another notable fact about the bible is depsite the fact there are many, many translations of this book you'll find that if you compare those translations they will all be fairly consistent of one another. (of course there are few exceptions)
 

Yzzim

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<< How about these other inconsistencies....

a talking snake (Genesis 3:4-5)
a tree bearing fruit which, when eaten, gives knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 2:17; 3:5-7)
another tree the fruit of which gives immortality (Genesis 3:22)
a voice coming from a burning bush (Exodus 3:4)
a talking donkey (Numbers 22:28)
rods turning into serpents (Exodus 7:10-12)
water changing into blood (Exodus 7:19-22)
water coming from a rock (Numbers 20:11)
a dead man reviving when his corpse touched the bones of a prophet (II Kings 13:21)
people rising from the dead (e.g., I Kings 17:21-22; II Kings 4:32-35; Acts 9:37-40).
the sun standing still (Joshua 10:13)
the parting of a sea (Exodus 14:21-22)
iron floating (II Kings 6:5-6)
the shadow going back ten degrees (II Kings 20:9-11)
a witch bringing the ghost of Samuel back from the dead (I Samuel 28:3-15)
disembodied fingers writing on a wall (Daniel 5:5)
a man living for three days and nights in the belly of a fish (Jonah 1:17)
people walking on water (Matthew 14:26-29)
a virgin impregnated by God (Matthew 1:20)
blindness cured by spit (Mark 8:23-25)
a pool of water that can cure the ailments of those who dip in it (John 5:2-4)
Isaiah causing the sun to move backwards (2 Kings 20:11)
Aaron turning dust into lice (Exodus 8:17).
God speaking to Moses through a burning bush (Exodus 3:2).
Lot's wife being turned into a pillar of salt (Gen. 19:26).
Egyptian sorcerers conjuring millions of frogs (Exodus 8:7).
Jesus feeding 5,000 people with five loaves of bread and two fish (Matthew 14:19-21).
the devil taking Jesus into an exceedingly high mountain to show him all the kingdoms of the world. (Matthew 4:8)

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Those can't be explained unless you have faith.

Once you have the faith they all make sense.
 

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seashells found in mountian regions such has where mount everest is do to the effect know of plate techtonics. The indian plate is ramming into the plate that asia resides on. Forcing the land upwards. Earthquakes and volcanoes are cause by plate techtonics. The infamous ring of fire around the pacific plate is a great example.
 

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You want to believe it, fine. You want to twist an already twisted translation to suit you as proof, fine.
Just don't try to convince anyone with it, only those who want to believe it in the first place will accept this 'proof'.
 

Yzzim

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<<

<< Can you direct me to where some of those statements are? >>



Sure:

"Bat is a bird": Leviticus 11:13-19
"Rabbits eat their cud": Leviticus 11:6
"Insects have 4 legs": Leviticus 11:20-22
"Camels don't have split hooves": Leviticus 11:4
"Earth is stationary": Psalms 93:1, 1 Chronicles 16:30, 1 Chronicles 16:30
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Interesting. My Concordence should come by the end of the week. Have you looked into those texts to say if they say the same thing in Hebrew? Since the Bible was translated from Hebrew to English (old testament) many things have gotten mixed up in the translation. This could be a couple of them.
 

Elledan

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<< Those can't be explained unless you have faith.

Once you have the faith they all make sense.
>>


That's why it's called 'blind faith'.
 

GasX

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Why don't you look up the word proof in the dictionary and then start a new thread.
 

Arkitech

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<<

<< Can you direct me to where some of those statements are? >>



Sure:

"Bat is a bird": Leviticus 11:13-19
"Rabbits eat their cud": Leviticus 11:6
"Insects have 4 legs": Leviticus 11:20-22
"Camels don't have split hooves": Leviticus 11:4
"Earth is stationary": Psalms 93:1, 1 Chronicles 16:30, 1 Chronicles 16:30
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Here's how my translation reads of Leviticus 11:13-19 - 13 And these are are what you will loathe among the flying creatures. They should not be eaten. They are a loathsome thing: the eagle and the osprey and the black vulture 14 and the red kite and the black kite according to its kind, 15 and every raven according to its kind, 16 and the ostrich and the owl and the gull and the falcon according to its kind 17 and the little owl and the cormorant and the long-eared owl, 18 and the the swan and the pelican and the vulture 19 and the stork, the heron according to its kind and the hoopoe and the bat.


Some species of hares do chew their cuds (Leviticus 11:6)

As far insects have 4 legs my translation uses the term winged swarming creatures

Here's a few more renderings of that scripture (Leviticus 11:20-22)

Douay-Rheims - Leviticus 11:20
Of things that fly, whatsoever goeth upon four feet, shall be abominable to you.

Leviticus 11:21
But whatsoever walketh upon four feet, but hath the legs behind longer, wherewith it hoppeth upon the earth,

Leviticus 11:22
That you shall eat, as the bruchus in its kind, the attacus, and ophiomachus, and the locust, every one according to their kind.



King Hames Version - Leviticus 11:20
All fowls that creep, going upon [all] four, [shall be] an abomination unto you.

Leviticus 11:21
Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon [all] four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;

Leviticus 11:22
[Even] these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind




In Leviticus 11:4 it does mention that camel is not a splitter of the hoof. I truthfully can't account for this passage, maybe there were certain species of camels that did'nt have split hoofs. Come to think of it I really don't know if camels have hoofs or toes, I'll have to look it up and get back to you


As far as the Earth being stationary in a sense it is. The Earth is on a fixed path or orbit so in that sense it could be viewed as stationary. Here's the definition of stationary at www.dictionary.com -

sta·tion·ar·y Pronunciation Key (stsh-nr)
adj.

Not moving.
Not capable of being moved; fixed.
Unchanging: a stationary sound.

I guess you could have a point on this scripture depending on how you look at it.
 

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<< As far as the Earth being stationary in a sense it is. The Earth is on a fixed path or orbit so in that sense it could be viewed as stationary. >>


That's quite a stretch. Even with the definition you gave.

I still think there are logistical problems with Noah and his ark. How did he manage to round up 2 of every single specie (including insects) on that little-ass boat, care for them for 40 days and make sure NONE of them died.
And again I ask: How is it possible 6 billion people were spawned by 2 people in only 5000 years?
 

Arkitech

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<< Just a couple of quick points:
When was the verse on the water cycle written? The water cycle was known 500 BC.
Egyptians knew the earth was wasn't suspended by anything 1000's of years BC, as did the aztecs and several other civilizations.
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The book of Ecclesiastes (water cycle was mentioned in this book) was completed sometime before 1000 bce, so I can't say for a certainty that it preceded the Egyptians discovery of that process

The writings of the Earth suspended on nothing was found in Proverbs which was written sometime during 600-700 bce, again I'm not sure if this is before or after the Egyptians knowledge of that fact. I do know that it did precede Aztechs, if I'm not mistaken they were not known to be in existence during the time of the Hebrew canons (scriptures)
 

Yzzim

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<<

<< Those can't be explained unless you have faith.

Once you have the faith they all make sense.
>>


That's why it's called 'blind faith'.
>>


John 20:29 : "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

"You can see the effects of the wind, but you can't see the wind." - Billy Graham
 

Hammer

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What about the Bible saying that the Earth is center of the universe? Messed up on that one.
 

geek167

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*Cough* Post deleted for redundancy.... What? I wasn't Skooorbed.... sheesh. look its gone. nada no more. :-D
 

geek167

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csiro, you poopyhead. Those aren't inconsistencies. Those are unexplained anomolies. What school did you go to?
 

GasX

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<< Nemisis77, where they heck did you read that? I have read the whole Bible multiple times I have no idea what you are talking about. Until you show me I will consider you a completely ignorant moron. Thank you. >>

Geek167 just got Skoorbed. RTFT, dude - he says where three or four posts later.
 
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