The bible is scientifically accurate, check the proof

[Yzzim]

geek167 and that's exactly what we were trying to avoid here

watch the flaming.

 

[Yzzim]

<< What about the Bible saying that the Earth is center of the universe? Messed up on that one. >>


Verse?

 

[geno]

<< The Earth is on a fixed path or orbit so in that sense it could be viewed as stationary. >>


That's the biggest contradiction I've heard in a while. It's in orbit, which consists of constant movement. Stationary != constant movement. So it's can't be viewed as stationary.

 

[geek167]

Okay, #1 Nemisis. You take these verses completely out of context. #2 Ever thought that the animal could've changed since then! #3 Unless you know Greek then I can't believe that bat one. Most likely it is just a weird translation and refers to a bat as a bird. I know Latin and a lot of things are translated like that. #4 with that world one. You are also taking it out of context and it states that the world is firmly established and cannot be moved. He didn't say the earth isn't moving. Probably what was meant is that God controls the world. If you look in the surrounding verses it is talking about that.

 

[kt]

<< Those can't be explained unless you have faith.

Once you have the faith they all make sense. >>


Ignorance makes you think everything make sense.



<< "You can see the effects of the wind, but you can't see the wind." - Billy Graham >>


Wrong! You CAN see the wind. Just need to break out a nanoscope and you'll see that it's nothing but rapid random movements of air molecules.

 

[Yzzim]

<< #2 Ever thought that the animal could've changed since then! >>


If you believe that Leviticus was written millions of years ago, I suppose


<< #3 Unless you know Greek then I can't believe that bat one. Most likely it is just a weird translation and refers to a bat as a bird. I know Latin and a lot of things are translated like that. >>


Leviticus was written in Hebrew AFAIK


<< #4 with that world one. You are also taking it out of context and it states that the world is firmly established and cannot be moved. He didn't say the earth isn't moving. Probably what was meant is that God controls the world. If you look in the surrounding verses it is talking about that. >>


Sounds feasible, though I'd have to look at the Scripture a little more.

 

[csiro]

<< csiro, you retard. Those aren't inconsistencies. Those are unexplained anomolies. What school did you go to? >>



geek167, this thread is about whether the bible is scientifically accurate. Those are unexplained anomolies which are inconsistent with science. But IMO, I don't see why people feel the need to justify the bible scientifically anyhow. To believe in the bible in the first place, you have to go on blind faith and assume that with god, anything is possible. Same goes for the other texts for other religions.

 

[Arkitech]

<< How about these other inconsistencies....

a talking snake (Genesis 3:4-5)
a tree bearing fruit which, when eaten, gives knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 2:17; 3:5-7)
another tree the fruit of which gives immortality (Genesis 3:22)
a voice coming from a burning bush (Exodus 3:4)
a talking donkey (Numbers 22:28)
rods turning into serpents (Exodus 7:10-12)
water changing into blood (Exodus 7:19-22)
water coming from a rock (Numbers 20:11)
a dead man reviving when his corpse touched the bones of a prophet (II Kings 13:21)
people rising from the dead (e.g., I Kings 17:21-22; II Kings 4:32-35; Acts 9:37-40).
the sun standing still (Joshua 10:13)
the parting of a sea (Exodus 14:21-22)
iron floating (II Kings 6:5-6)
the shadow going back ten degrees (II Kings 20:9-11)
a witch bringing the ghost of Samuel back from the dead (I Samuel 28:3-15)
disembodied fingers writing on a wall (Daniel 5:5)
a man living for three days and nights in the belly of a fish (Jonah 1:17)
people walking on water (Matthew 14:26-29)
a virgin impregnated by God (Matthew 1:20)
blindness cured by spit (Mark 8:23-25)
a pool of water that can cure the ailments of those who dip in it (John 5:2-4)
Isaiah causing the sun to move backwards (2 Kings 20:11)
Aaron turning dust into lice (Exodus 8:17).
God speaking to Moses through a burning bush (Exodus 3:2).
Lot's wife being turned into a pillar of salt (Gen. 19:26).
Egyptian sorcerers conjuring millions of frogs (Exodus 8:7).
Jesus feeding 5,000 people with five loaves of bread and two fish (Matthew 14:19-21).
the devil taking Jesus into an exceedingly high mountain to show him all the kingdoms of the world. (Matthew 4:8)

Copied from here. >>



I guess for a person who does'nt beleive in God it would be difficult to beleive in many of the account in the bible. But just because you don't beleive does'nt mean it did'nt happen.

 

[geek167]

Yzzim, no. Things like that don't take millions of years. Its not like it changed species. All that changed was it's hoof. Whoa.

In my personal opinion, it takes more faith to believe that a God didn't create the world than it does to believe one does. And after years of research I came to the conclusion that no religion was without it's flaws, but Christianity came closest to being logical.


Lets debate how accurate Darwin was in his list of useless things in the body! *Cough* can anyone say Paneal Gland. Or maybe splein, or even tonsils. He had lots of proof. lol

 

[Hammer]

I don't know the exact verse but I believe Galileo was excommunciated for saying otherwise.



<<

<< What about the Bible saying that the Earth is center of the universe? Messed up on that one. >>


Verse? >>

 

[thraashman]

I just wanted to mention that Greek philosophers figured out the earth was a sphere as early as 300 b.c. (I may be off by 100 years or so, but the point is there) and since much of the Bible was written in Greek, it wouldn't be too surprising to see that they put their personal knowledge in it.


Also one of my favorite quotes. "The church says that the earth is flat, but I know that it is round for I have seen the shadow on the moon. And I have more faith in a shadow than in the church." Ferdinand Magellan

 

[jhu]

cold fusion does exist. i believe it whole-heartedly and despite the lack of conclusive evidence

 

[SinNisTeR]

My inability to prove God does not disprove his existance.

 

[geek167]

The roman catholic church thought that the world was geocentric. Galileo said otherwise, they forced him to renounce it. He did. Dun know what that proves either way. Except that the church isn't always right.

 

[Arkitech]

<< I just wanted to mention that Greek philosophers figured out the earth was a sphere as early as 300 b.c. (I may be off by 100 years or so, but the point is there) and since much of the Bible was written in Greek, it wouldn't be too surprising to see that they put their personal knowledge in it.


Also one of my favorite quotes. "The church says that the earth is flat, but I know that it is round for I have seen the shadow on the moon. And I have more faith in a shadow than in the church." Ferdinand Magellan >>




I could be wrong about this but I was under the impression that the Greeks were'nt around in 300bc

 

[Hammer]

LOL!



<< I could be wrong about this but I was under the impression that the Greeks were'nt around in 300bc >>

 

[Yzzim]

<< I could be wrong about this but I was under the impression that the Greeks were'nt around in 300bc >>



Greek Timeline

 

[Zenmervolt]

<<

<< I could be wrong about this but I was under the impression that the Greeks were'nt around in 300bc >>



Greek Timeline >>

You can even go back farther. The Minoan culture of Crete was established by 2200 B.C.E., and the origins of the Greek people go back to 3000 B.C.E., although Greek culture per se is not considered to have been established until about 1600 B.C.E.

ZV

 

[Nemesis77]

<< Okay, #1 Nemisis. You take these verses completely out of context. >>



Religious people say stuff like "God is love" all the time, and they base those statements on bible-verses. When someone say "God has murdedred thousands of people" and base that claim on bible-verse, religious people say "Oh, you have taken that verse right out of it's context!". If religious people can do it, why not non-religious?



<< #2 Ever thought that the animal could've changed since then! >>



What, you mean *cough* evolved *cough*?



<< #3 Unless you know Greek then I can't believe that bat one. Most likely it is just a weird translation and refers to a bat as a bird. >>



So you are saying that translation has changed the word of God? How can that be, isn't bible supposed to be error-free, holy text? And if there are changes due to translation, then how can you trust the bible anymore? It must have changed alot over the centuries.l



<< #4 with that world one. You are also taking it out of context and it states that the world is firmly established and cannot be moved. He didn't say the earth isn't moving. Probably what was meant is that God controls the world. If you look in the surrounding verses it is talking about that. >>



So it up to the intrepetation of the verse? It funny that when religious people quote the bible to proove their point it's OK, but when non-religious people do the same, they are "intrepeting it wrong". there are dozens of ways you could intrepet the bible, who'se to say that your way is the rioght one? Or the way of the catholic church? What if the way atheists intrepet is, is the right one?

 

[WhiteWonder]

so, where is this proof you speak of?

 

[SinNisTeR]

God didn't kill anyone, man kills himself. God simply lets them. You don't know God's plan is.

 

[johneetrash]

/me goes into Arkitech mode


here's your proof! ::gives a handful of air::

[edit]if you didnt catch that, the air was meant to be faith... and how empty (or blind) it is.... that is unless you're in california like me, in which case you can add smog with your blind faith[/edit]

 

[Nemesis77]

<< God didn't kill anyone, man kills himself. God simply lets them. You don't know God's plan is. >>



God has killed or has ordered his followers to kill the amalecians (including women and children) and samaritans. he has tormented several individuals, he has ordered his followers to eat the flesh of their own sons and daughters (!)...

 

[SinNisTeR]

and where can that be found?

 

[Nemesis77]

<< and where can that be found? >>



try these:

1 Samuel 15:3
Jeremiah 13:14
Jeremiah 19:9
Exodus 32:27