The bible is scientifically accurate, check the proof

[Novgrod]

I have to admit that I'm ignorant of the texts and documents of religions that don't use the bible. However I will make this comment that the bible is the oldest publication on Earth, its also the most popular. It still is widely available despite the fact that there have been numerous attempts by kings and other rulers to wipe out its existence.

1) The bible is not the oldest publication on earth. The Torah came into its present form around 500 BC during the Babylonian captivity.

Before that we have everything Aztec (c. 1000 BC) everything Cretan linear A (2000 bc) linear B (1500) the works of Homer, all your Egyptian stuff, the Babylonian epic of Gilgamesh, et al. Of course China, with which I am hardly familiar, also has far earlier writings.

There have been no concerted attempts to wipe out the bible. The Torah was perfectly allowed under Roman law, and the Bible as you know it wasn't really codified until (I think) the council of nicea, at which time Christianity was imperfectly tolerated.

Furthermore, since Rome there has yet to be a single ruler with the ability to ban any sort of book in such wide publication.

As for the finding of seashells on mountains, well, that contradicts yourself Did God put shells on mountains to mislead those of us dumb enough to follow empirical evidence?

The answer, FYI, to the "water cycle" is very simple. The world as the Jews saw it was a foundation of rock, with a crytsalline structure (sky) surrounding it. There were, quite literally, flood gates that would open and rain would ensue. I know; it's out there.

The Jews weren't the only society to shun those who handle the dead. The Romans even figured that out to some degree.

I'm very sorry for participating in BS flamebait, but you're just wrong.

 

[SinNisTeR]

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<< and where can that be found? >>



try these:

1 Samuel 15:3
Jeremiah 13:14
Jeremiah 19:9
Exodus 32:27 >>




1 Samuel 15:3

The reason they are going after Amulek is because of what he had done to Israel. Not because they are blood thirsty and just all of a sudden decides to one day kill some people.

Jeremiah 13:14

The Lord is chastening his people. He is not doing this because He is bored or has nothing to do.

Jeremiah 19:9

In verses 3 & 4 he explains why he is doing this. He brings evil to Judah so they destroy themselves.

"3 And say, Hear ye the word of the LORD, O kings of Judah, and inhabitants of Jerusalem; Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, the which whosoever heareth, his ears shall tingle.

4 Because they have forsaken me, and have estranged this place, and have burned incense in it unto other gods, whom neither they nor their fathers have known, nor the kings of Judah, and have filled this place with the blood of innocents;"

Exodus 32:27

This section of Exodus is where some Israelites are really wicked and make the golden calf to worship. This is also where Moses breaks the stone tablets upon which the 10 commandments were written.

"26 Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD?s side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.

27 And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour."


The Lord doesn't kill people. He instructs others to do them for Him. The reason being: His work is more important than that of mans. If man interferes with his plans, he will simply remove those wicked ones. We also have agency, the right to choose right and wrong. God will not tell us what to choose. He simply gives us opposition and lets us decide. There is consequence with every choice. You just have to see it from different perspectives.

 

[Nemesis77]

Regardless of the reasons why God did why he did, the fact remains that he has plenty of blood in his hands. He certainly doesn't sound like a loving god to me. And why kill innocent children? I seriously doubt they had done enything wrong.

 

[geek167]

Those children didn't come from innocent parents. So in turn, they are not innocent. [uhh, i think. something like that]. Sometimes in the Bible people were cursed because of what their parents did. Other times they are blessed.

If God created you, then I'd think he has the right to destroy you if you are being stupid and not listening to him. He warned them......

 

[mithrandir2001]

I am enjoying this.

I like the "inaccurate translation" defense. Hmmm, so if the bible wasn't originally written in English and therefore can be misinterpreted in our language, then why do people pull verses from it and use it as the sole basis for legislating national social policy?

 

[Stalker]

The transfer of sin thing doesn't make sense.
If we follow god by examples, if your grandfather murder somebody intentionally then your whole family will be put into jail for life.
Loving God???

 

[Dedpuhl]

<< I am enjoying this.

I like the "inaccurate translation" defense. Hmmm, so if the bible wasn't originally written in English and therefore can be misinterpreted in our language, then why do people pull verses from it and use it as the sole basis for legislating national social policy? >>



The God Squad picks and chooses what verses they like and use. That is why they hardly mention the old testament anymore; it is filled with so many atrocities.

 

[luv2chill]

I'm also enjoying this thread...

Can't you see the absurdity in taking ANYTHING in the bible (or any other metaphorical religious text) at face value? See all the problems it causes? Things will be much easier to understand once you realize that the bible is a mish-mash of endelessly mis-translated (some purposeful, some unavoidable) passages written by different authors in different time periods. How can you expect it to be inerrant, when different versions of the bible say different things?

Some of you might be interested to know that the bible used to contain other books that have been "removed" over the years. Also, the catholic bible has books in it that the protestant bible does not. Which is right?

See the absurdity???

l2c

 

[Bassyhead]

The only verse any of you need to know is this:

1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
(Genesis 1:1).

The Bible is a collection of books showing how to love God and be saved. It has everything that is needed to know God, not how the earth was created. The Bible does not go into scientific reasonings very much, that is why people are always calling it inconsistent and contradictioning.

God is supernatural, so it's impossible to prove anything in the Bible using science, and also impossible to disprove with science! God wants you to love him because you do. Blind faith is the greatest thing you can ever do. He doesn't want you to believe in Him because of some kind of scientific fact.

 

[Nemesis77]

<< If God created you, then I'd think he has the right to destroy you if you are being stupid and not listening to him. He warned them...... >>



If god is a loving and caring god (as religious people like to say), why does he feel that he needs to kill, mutilate, persecute and punish people who choose to ignore his teachings? I mean, isn't it punishment enough that they will end up in hell after they die?

 

[luv2chill]

<< The only verse any of you need to know is this:

1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
(Genesis 1:1). >>



I disagree... I think the only verse(s) anyone needs to cull from the bible are found in I Corinthians 13: 4-8 and 13.

Love is very patient and kind, never jealous or envious, never boastful or proud.

Never haughty or selfish or rude. Love does not demand its own way. It is not irritable or touchy. It does not hold grudges and will hardly even notice when others do it wrong.

It is never glad about injustice, but rejoices whenever truth wins out.

If you love someone you will be loyal to them no matter what the cost. You will always believe in them, always expect the best of them, and always stand your ground in defending them.

All of the special gifts and powers from God will someday come to an end, but Love goes on forever.

There are three things that remain- faith, hope and love- and the greatest of these is love.

l2c

 

[Bassyhead]

True, too, but I was posting on accordance to the thread title.



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<< The only verse any of you need to know is this:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."(Genesis 1:1). >>

I disagree... I think the only verse(s) anyone needs to cull from the bible are found in I Corinthians 13: 4-8 and 13.Love is very patient and kind, never jealous or envious, never boastful or proud.Never haughty or selfish or rude. Love does not demand its own way. It is not irritable or touchy. It does not hold grudges and will hardly even notice when others do it wrong.It is never glad about injustice, but rejoices whenever truth wins out.If you love someone you will be loyal to them no matter what the cost. You will always believe in them, always expect the best of them, and always stand your ground in defending them.All of the special gifts and powers from God will someday come to an end, but Love goes on forever.There are three things that remain- faith, hope and love- and the greatest of these is love.l2c >>

 

[thraashman]

I disagree... I think the only verse(s) anyone needs to cull from the bible are found in I Corinthians 13: 4-8 and 13.

Love is very patient and kind, never jealous or envious, never boastful or proud.

Never haughty or selfish or rude. Love does not demand its own way. It is not irritable or touchy. It does not hold grudges and will hardly even notice when others do it wrong.

see the problem with quoting Corinthians is that it's New testament, and Corinthians was written by Paul, a man who had yet to be born when Jesus supposedly died. The old testament says god is jealous and proud and impatient.

For references that I know you'll ask for, Exodus 20:4 - 6 the second commandment. it specifically says God is a jealous God, and it's in the first person as if those are the words directly from the mouth of God.

So all I have to say is that even if I believed in God, I could never love such a malicious, evil bastard as he.

 

[docmanhattan]

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<< If God created you, then I'd think he has the right to destroy you if you are being stupid and not listening to him. He warned them...... >>



If god is a loving and caring god (as religious people like to say), why does he feel that he needs to kill, mutilate, persecute and punish people who choose to ignore his teachings? I mean, isn't it punishment enough that they will end up in hell after they die? >>



In a similar way that people accuse Christians of selectively chossing verses, non-believers like to accuse God of cruelty and the like when in fact it is far from it. We are the ones committing evil and violent acts. We're broken, imperfect people living in a broken world. God gave us choice, the problem is, however, people make poor choices, even Christians. That's where the Bible comes in as a guidebook for Christians and anyone else seeking. It gives people, when in read in context and not just one-liners for the fridge, powerful advice and guidance with how to live a life pleasing to God. This is more true for the New Testament than the Old, but the same can still be said for it.

 

[Nemesis77]

<< In a similar way that people accuse Christians of selectively chossing verses, non-believers like to accuse God of cruelty and the like when in fact it is far from it. We are the ones committing evil and violent acts. We're broken, imperfect people living in a broken world. God gave us choice, the problem is, however, people make poor choices, even Christians. That's where the Bible comes in as a guidebook for Christians and anyone else seeking. It gives people, when in read in context and not just one-liners for the fridge, powerful advice and guidance with how to live a life pleasing to God. This is more true for the New Testament than the Old, but the same can still be said for it. >>



So, God doesn't do violent acts, but his followers do? But that doesn't explain why God orders his followers to massacre people. Why did God destroy Sodoma and Gomorrah? If the people there violated against God, then wouldn't they end up in hell regardless, what's the point of punishing them in this life, when they will suffer for eternity regardless?

 

[docmanhattan]

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see the problem with quoting Corinthians is that it's New testament, and Corinthians was written by Paul, a man who had yet to be born when Jesus supposedly died. The old testament says god is jealous and proud and impatient.

For references that I know you'll ask for, Exodus 20:4 - 6 the second commandment. it specifically says God is a jealous God, and it's in the first person as if those are the words directly from the mouth of God.

So all I have to say is that even if I believed in God, I could never love such a malicious, evil bastard as he. >>



Exodus 20
4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.

God is talking about worshiping idols i.e. golden cows or in a more modern sense, those who put money, pleasure, hedonism on a throne. He's saying your focus should not be on this earth, but to Heaven. Pretty simple, really.

EDIT: the Exodus 20:4-6 verse is from the NIV

 

The bible WAS written. And there was science back then, even though we have proven thoes ideas wrong, they were still there at that time.

But, Jesus was just a man, martyr's were as common as insects, and history is routinely twisted and changed to support a particular point of view.

*yawn* to all the religious threads.

 

[csiro]

The lesson is: Our God is vengeful! O spiteful one, show me who to smite and they shall be smoten!

--Homer Simpson

 

[IGBT]

Gawd..a fools pleasure..

 

[fjorner]

what about rabbits chewing cud?

or people living for thousands of years?

the two stories of creation, are also interestingly contradictory. that's the best example.

no offense to the Bible, or to any protestant faith that takes it word for word, but there was some artistic license taken. i'm a catholic, and catholics believe that not everything in the old testament is factual, historically accurate, even believable. there have also been many changes and exaggerations and modifications thanks to the multiple translations of the texts. I wouldn't say it is stupid or asasine to believe that everything in the Bible is true, but a little understanding of the earthly origins of the book is necessary, IMHO.

 

[Nemesis77]

<< no offense to the Bible, or to any protestant faith that takes it word for word >>



Ummm, I think you are confusing fundamentalism with protestants. For example, Lutherans (Protestants) don't seem to take the bible as word-for-word accurate text.

 

[docmanhattan]

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So, God doesn't do violent acts, but his followers do? But that doesn't explain why God orders his followers to massacre people. Why did God destroy Sodoma and Gomorrah? If the people there violated against God, then wouldn't they end up in hell regardless, what's the point of punishing them in this life, when they will suffer for eternity regardless? >>



Gen 18:16-33 answers your question to some extent. Genesis 18:16-33

Abraham Pleads for Sodom
16 When the men got up to leave, they looked down toward Sodom, and Abraham walked along with them to see them on their way. 17 Then the Lord said, "Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do? 18 Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him. 19 For I have chosen him, so that he will direct his children and his household after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing what is right and just, so that the Lord will bring about for Abraham what he has promised him."
20 Then the Lord said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous 21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."
22 The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the Lord . [5] 23 Then Abraham approached him and said: "Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? 24 What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away and not spare [6] the place for the sake of the fifty righteous people in it? 25 Far be it from you to do such a thing-to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge [7] of all the earth do right?"
26 The Lord said, "If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake."
27 Then Abraham spoke up again: "Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes, 28 what if the number of the righteous is five less than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city because of five people?"
"If I find forty-five there," he said, "I will not destroy it."
29 Once again he spoke to him, "What if only forty are found there?"
He said, "For the sake of forty, I will not do it."
30 Then he said, "May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak. What if only thirty can be found there?"
He answered, "I will not do it if I find thirty there."
31 Abraham said, "Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, what if only twenty can be found there?"
He said, "For the sake of twenty, I will not destroy it."
32 Then he said, "May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?"
He answered, "For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it."
33 When the Lord had finished speaking with Abraham, he left, and Abraham returned home.

EDIT: This is also relavent to your question:
Jude 1
7In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
8In the very same way, these dreamers pollute their own bodies, reject authority and slander celestial beings.

 

[Geekbabe]

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<< The only verse any of you need to know is this:

1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
(Genesis 1:1). >>



I disagree... I think the only verse(s) anyone needs to cull from the bible are found in I Corinthians 13: 4-8 and 13.

Love is very patient and kind, never jealous or envious, never boastful or proud.

Never haughty or selfish or rude. Love does not demand its own way. It is not irritable or touchy. It does not hold grudges and will hardly even notice when others do it wrong.

It is never glad about injustice, but rejoices whenever truth wins out.

If you love someone you will be loyal to them no matter what the cost. You will always believe in them, always expect the best of them, and always stand your ground in defending them.

All of the special gifts and powers from God will someday come to an end, but Love goes on forever.

There are three things that remain- faith, hope and love- and the greatest of these is love.

l2c >>





Word !!!

glad to see you repesentin good sense here luv2chill !!!

 

[Nemesis77]

That still doesn't explain why God destroyed those cities. If they were sich bad sinners, why not simply wait 'till they die a natural death, and then send them to hell to be eternally tortured. Surely god could wait few years it takes for those people to die? What is there to gain to kill them in this life, if they will be punished for the rest of eternity when they die?

EDIT: as for "setting an example"... Surely if God is with the righteous people they would prevail and build a nation with high morals? And those who acted against God would be sent to hell. Again, there's no need to kill people in this life, when you can have them punished in the afterlife.

 

[Ryan]

accurate my a$$