The big myth about the election was that economic suffering drove most of Trump's base

Amused

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I've been trying to say this all along.

Race, bigotry, fear and xonophobia was the main driving factor behind his support.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/28/opinions/trump-base-economy-myth-opinion-zelizer/index.html

Democrats need to stop believing this myth about Trump's base

The big myth about the 2016 presidential election was that economic suffering drove most of Donald Trump's "base" directly into his hands in states such as Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. The story goes that while Democrats were tied in knots about identity politics, Trump's attacks on China, free trade and open-ended immigration appealed to struggling workers who believed he could bring back their jobs.

The problem with the narrative is that we keep learning it is not true.

Some Democrats have responded to the widely circulated misconception about why Clinton lost by insisting that the party needs to move away from identity politics -- issues revolving around gender equality and racial justice -- and focus in on economic issues.

Instead, Democrats should be basing their 2020 election strategy on what is actually true.
A just-published study in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences by the political scientist Diana Mutz found that white, Christian, male voters were attracted to Trump out of fear that their social status keeps dwindling. It was, in fact, Trump who was focused on identity politics, not simply the Democrats.

Mutz's research found that members of Trump's base believed they faced more discrimination as white males than most other groups, such as Muslims. "For the first time since Europeans arrived in this country, white Americans are being told that they will soon be a minority race," she writes.

To play off of Bill Clinton's 1992 famous campaign slogan, "It's the economy, Stupid," we might say: "It's the culture, Stupid."
Mutz's research offers a window into understanding why President Trump can promote a Reaganesque economic agenda that is so clearly at odds with his campaign promises.
While the President keeps talking about the common man and woman, most of his economic policies, such as his tax overhaul or financial deregulations, have aimed to provide relief to corporations, investors, and families in the upper income brackets. But it is key to understand that his legislative actions are happening simultaneously with his continued rhetoric -- attacks on immigrants, civil rights, gender equality, and anyone who dares to stand up for the ideas that he likes to deride as "political correctness" -- that secured the support of his base to begin with.

So, although these attacks are sometimes seen as a "distraction," they are the main show, as Mutz's research demonstrates -- and they seem to be working. The nation is in the middle of a battle over what this country is about. Trump's attacks on immigrants and other groups seem to sit well with white male voters who fear that other segments of society are gradually displacing them.

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pmv

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This might be true, I honestly don't know where the truth is on this. But I'd take a bit of convincing. There are potential complications.

For one, does it matter what the 'bulk of the base' consists of? What determines outcomes is what happens at the margins, what happens with the people you might hope would support the left but fail to do so (including if they just stay at home and don't vote, not just if they vote for Trump).

Secondly I'm a little bit suspicious of these arguments because the case for them tends to be built, and the evidence for them gathered, by the very people who have a bit of a vested interest in saying it isn't about economics - i.e. well-off securely employed commentators and academics who are doing very nicely thankyou with things as they are. Do those people have a strong motivation to look for contrary evidence?

Thirdly, are racial identities and economics entirely separate things? Is it not possible that cultural identity issues become more important to people as hopes of economic improvement decline? Often seems that way to me - everyone gets on with each other much better when there's loads of money sloshing about, smoothing relationships and giving people something else to think about than how much they fear/dislike the 'other lot'.

It's also not necessary for people to be experiencing serious economic difficulty right now for economics to matter, they just have to be losing hope that their position will improve in the long term.
 
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Amused

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It's also not necessary for people to be experiencing serious economic difficulty right now for economics to matter, they just have to be losing hope that their position will improve in the long term.

More like their privilege and supremacy is challenged and makes them fear equality.

potato/podilildo, right?
 

Moonbeam

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Jesus, this is the myth. All those superficials become a big deal under economic threat.
 

Starbuck1975

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Some Democrats have responded to the widely circulated misconception about why Clinton lost by insisting that the party needs to move away from identity politics -- issues revolving around gender equality and racial justice -- and focus in on economic issues.
Democrats do need to move away from identity politics. That is what made Sanders so refreshing is that he spoke to and for all Americans.

white, Christian, male voters were attracted to Trump out of fear that their social status keeps dwindling. It was, in fact, Trump who was focused on identity politics, not simply the Democrats.
Social status and economic anxiety are related. The notion of white privilege does not resonate with blue collar white America.

Mutz's research found that members of Trump's base believed they faced more discrimination as white males than most other groups, such as Muslims. "For the first time since Europeans arrived in this country, white Americans are being told that they will soon be a minority race," she writes.
Again, perceived discrimination ties to economic anxiety, and that anxiety is exploitable.

Now, Trump has done absolutely nothing to help the people who voted for him, but that doesn’t mean their concerns are not worthy of consideration.

Or we can just keep calling them deplorable and unproductive, and wonder why Trump won.
 

ivwshane

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Democrats do need to move away from identity politics. That is what made Sanders so refreshing is that he spoke to and for all Americans.

Social status and economic anxiety are related. The notion of white privilege does not resonate with blue collar white America.

Again, perceived discrimination ties to economic anxiety, and that anxiety is exploitable.

Now, Trump has done absolutely nothing to help the people who voted for him, but that doesn’t mean their concerns are not worthy of consideration.

Or we can just keep calling them deplorable and unproductive, and wonder why Trump won.

Funny, I haven't heard the term, deplorable, for at least a year now (as in national media and DNC members). The only time I hear unproductive is almost daily but it's coming from trump and the right.

More "both sides" bullshit from you, as always.
 

ivwshane

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Yes, the Democratic Party should stop with the identity politics and concentrate on the serious issues that matter. The ones that concern Caucasians.

When looking at the actual facts of the matter, it certainly seems like that's exactly what he's saying.
 

Greenman

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Everyone I know that voted for Trump did so because they so thoroughly disliked Hillary.
 

Phokus

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Funny, I haven't heard the term, deplorable, for at least a year now (as in national media and DNC members). The only time I hear unproductive is almost daily but it's coming from trump and the right.

More "both sides" bullshit from you, as always.

Democrats do need to move away from identity politics. That is what made Sanders so refreshing is that he spoke to and for all Americans.

Social status and economic anxiety are related. The notion of white privilege does not resonate with blue collar white America.

Again, perceived discrimination ties to economic anxiety, and that anxiety is exploitable.

Now, Trump has done absolutely nothing to help the people who voted for him, but that doesn’t mean their concerns are not worthy of consideration.

Or we can just keep calling them deplorable and unproductive, and wonder why Trump won.

Not a big fan of clinton, but she clearly pointed out that there were certain 'baskets' of trump supporters, some due to economic issues and feeling their government let them down, some just being regular republicans who would never vote for hillary, and then the 'deplorables' (the racists/sexists/xenophobes). The thing is, Hillary wasn't wrong about that, but she was a fucking moron for actually saying it out loud.
 

Jhhnn

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dank69

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I thought it was Russian trolls on social media.

Oh, that was last week.
I know complex issues are tough for you but you should able to grasp the simple concept that Russian trolls pushed all the right buttons to manipulate the deplorables like you.
 

dank69

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That must be it.
Pretty shrewd of Trump to brainwash all those people. Pity Hillary couldn't pull it off.
Trump shrewd? I don't believe for a second you are dumb enough to think that. Conservative media, however, they know what the fuck they are doing.
 

qliveur

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I know complex issues are tough for you but you should able to grasp the simple concept that Russian trolls pushed all the right buttons to manipulate the deplorables like you.
Or you're still in denial that your nominee was fucking terrible and you haven't learned a goddamned thing.

Keep losing.
 

MrSquished

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Fuck Republicans and their suffering, economic and cultural!

(I never had the chance to say Fuck Republicans today so figured I'd take the opportunity to do so)
 

Jhhnn

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Great plan. You should indeed not concern yourself at all with the issues that are important to ~70% of voters.

It's not like the Jerb Creatin' GOP has shown any real concern, is it?

Because it will all trickle down, obviously. It's what created the Rust Belt as we know it.
 
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Or you're still in denial that your nominee was fucking terrible and you haven't learned a goddamned thing.

Keep losing.
You sound pretty bitter for winning an election. Can't even take pride in it, have to blame the opponent. So sad.
 
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