I don't "adhere" to anything other than the reality I face every day when I go to work. Here's a hint: "the global Jihad" isn't even a Western phrase... and neither are "the far Jihad" or "the larger Jihad." Each of those is used frequently by the members of said Jihad to describe their eternal struggle with the West.Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
The Global Jihad? It's clear you adhere to the propaganda that people like the Clarion Group (Obsession, mailed before the election) spew.
Thanks for the lesson. :roll:Here's a little history lesson for you, palehorse, before I was born, all these terrorists and Jihadis were America's BUDDYS, fighting the "damn commies" in Afghanistan. Britain put the Shah in power, and we kissed his ass until the Iranian people were fed up with that shit, and then we left him out to dry when he got ousted. America's allies carved up the Middle East after WWI with no regard to actual cultural borders, and basically set up the clusterfuck that we're dealing with now.
Originally posted by: palehorse
When? today? in Gaza? on CNN?!?Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel is fighting people that attacked them.
It is not going after groups that pose a threat to the U.S.
If you think that is the only fight that the Israelis are in, then you're an even bigger idiot than I originally thought.
Do you think Hamas' efforts, networks, and logistics end at the Israeli or Gaza borders? Do you think Hamas is Israel's only problem?If those groups didn't attack Israel then Israel wouldn't have touched them.
Once again, that's ignorance.
LOL... wow... just... wow.Turkey and Kuwait have been assisting the U.S for many years. Israel has never assisted the U.S once. Therefore, there is NO way Israel is the best ally the U.S has in the M.E.
You're living in the dark man.
Ever heard of the The Global Jihad? Well, I've got news for you: it's real. You couldn't be more wrong than you are... the U.S. is very much concerned about every terrorist group on the planet. Interestingly enough, most of which have both the U.S. and Israel on their hit-lists. Imagine that...The U.S is fighting terrorist that are a threat to the U.S
U.S doesn't give a sh!t about terrorist that don't pose a threat to us. It's not our problem. We are not the world police.
You were correct about one thing though. We are not the world police... but, we are part of a team of said police -- a team that definitely includes the Israelis.
You're clueless. Maybe it's better that way...
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: palehorse
When? today? in Gaza? on CNN?!?Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel is fighting people that attacked them.
It is not going after groups that pose a threat to the U.S.
If you think that is the only fight that the Israelis are in, then you're an even bigger idiot than I originally thought.
Do you think Hamas' efforts, networks, and logistics end at the Israeli or Gaza borders? Do you think Hamas is Israel's only problem?If those groups didn't attack Israel then Israel wouldn't have touched them.
Once again, that's ignorance.
LOL... wow... just... wow.Turkey and Kuwait have been assisting the U.S for many years. Israel has never assisted the U.S once. Therefore, there is NO way Israel is the best ally the U.S has in the M.E.
You're living in the dark man.
Ever heard of the The Global Jihad? Well, I've got news for you: it's real. You couldn't be more wrong than you are... the U.S. is very much concerned about every terrorist group on the planet. Interestingly enough, most of which have both the U.S. and Israel on their hit-lists. Imagine that...The U.S is fighting terrorist that are a threat to the U.S
U.S doesn't give a sh!t about terrorist that don't pose a threat to us. It's not our problem. We are not the world police.
You were correct about one thing though. We are not the world police... but, we are part of a team of said police -- a team that definitely includes the Israelis.
You're clueless. Maybe it's better that way...
Hm.. let's see Turkey is fighting the PKK. They are terrorist.
O wait .. they still aren't the #1 Ally in the M.E according to you because they're Mossslem..
Gotcha. Israel > Turkey because they are not Moslemms.
You claim to be unbiased.. LOL I laugh.
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: palehorse
When? today? in Gaza? on CNN?!?Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel is fighting people that attacked them.
It is not going after groups that pose a threat to the U.S.
If you think that is the only fight that the Israelis are in, then you're an even bigger idiot than I originally thought.
Do you think Hamas' efforts, networks, and logistics end at the Israeli or Gaza borders? Do you think Hamas is Israel's only problem?If those groups didn't attack Israel then Israel wouldn't have touched them.
Once again, that's ignorance.
LOL... wow... just... wow.Turkey and Kuwait have been assisting the U.S for many years. Israel has never assisted the U.S once. Therefore, there is NO way Israel is the best ally the U.S has in the M.E.
You're living in the dark man.
Ever heard of the The Global Jihad? Well, I've got news for you: it's real. You couldn't be more wrong than you are... the U.S. is very much concerned about every terrorist group on the planet. Interestingly enough, most of which have both the U.S. and Israel on their hit-lists. Imagine that...The U.S is fighting terrorist that are a threat to the U.S
U.S doesn't give a sh!t about terrorist that don't pose a threat to us. It's not our problem. We are not the world police.
You were correct about one thing though. We are not the world police... but, we are part of a team of said police -- a team that definitely includes the Israelis.
You're clueless. Maybe it's better that way...
Hm.. let's see Turkey is fighting the PKK. They are terrorist.
O wait .. they still aren't the #1 Ally in the M.E according to you because they're Mossslem..
Gotcha. Israel > Turkey because they are not Moslemms.
You claim to be unbiased.. LOL I laugh.
ERROR 404 LOGIC NOT FOUND
Seriously, wtf are you talking about? Many decent allies of the U.S. are considered "Muslim Nations," and many of my good friends in this fight are themselves Muslim. I work CT every day of my fucking life and I'm telling you that Israel is easily one of the best allies we have in the global war against terrorists.
Both Turkey and Kuwait are also great allies, but their overall contributions in the war pale in comparison to the efforts made by our brothers and sisters in the HaMossad leModi'in uleTafkidim Meyuhadim and IDF.
Get a grip and clue man.
1) What makes you think that Israel does not "work directly with the U.S."?!?Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: palehorse
When? today? in Gaza? on CNN?!?Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel is fighting people that attacked them.
It is not going after groups that pose a threat to the U.S.
If you think that is the only fight that the Israelis are in, then you're an even bigger idiot than I originally thought.
Do you think Hamas' efforts, networks, and logistics end at the Israeli or Gaza borders? Do you think Hamas is Israel's only problem?If those groups didn't attack Israel then Israel wouldn't have touched them.
Once again, that's ignorance.
LOL... wow... just... wow.Turkey and Kuwait have been assisting the U.S for many years. Israel has never assisted the U.S once. Therefore, there is NO way Israel is the best ally the U.S has in the M.E.
You're living in the dark man.
Ever heard of the The Global Jihad? Well, I've got news for you: it's real. You couldn't be more wrong than you are... the U.S. is very much concerned about every terrorist group on the planet. Interestingly enough, most of which have both the U.S. and Israel on their hit-lists. Imagine that...The U.S is fighting terrorist that are a threat to the U.S
U.S doesn't give a sh!t about terrorist that don't pose a threat to us. It's not our problem. We are not the world police.
You were correct about one thing though. We are not the world police... but, we are part of a team of said police -- a team that definitely includes the Israelis.
You're clueless. Maybe it's better that way...
Hm.. let's see Turkey is fighting the PKK. They are terrorist.
O wait .. they still aren't the #1 Ally in the M.E according to you because they're Mossslem..
Gotcha. Israel > Turkey because they are not Moslemms.
You claim to be unbiased.. LOL I laugh.
ERROR 404 LOGIC NOT FOUND
Seriously, wtf are you talking about? Many decent allies of the U.S. are considered "Muslim Nations," and many of my good friends in this fight are themselves Muslim. I work CT every day of my fucking life and I'm telling you that Israel is easily one of the best allies we have in the global war against terrorists.
Both Turkey and Kuwait are also great allies, but their overall contributions in the war pale in comparison to the efforts made by our brothers and sisters in the HaMossad leModi'in uleTafkidim Meyuhadim and IDF.
Get a grip and clue man.
Israel's fight doesn't make them a greater ally to the U.S over nations that work directly with the U.S.
Continue to cry about it. It's oK.
Originally posted by: palehorse
I work CT every day of my fucking life and I'm telling you that Israel is easily one of the best allies we have in the global war against terrorists.
Originally posted by: palehorse
1) What makes you think that Israel does not "work directly with the U.S."?!?Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: palehorse
When? today? in Gaza? on CNN?!?Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel is fighting people that attacked them.
It is not going after groups that pose a threat to the U.S.
If you think that is the only fight that the Israelis are in, then you're an even bigger idiot than I originally thought.
Do you think Hamas' efforts, networks, and logistics end at the Israeli or Gaza borders? Do you think Hamas is Israel's only problem?If those groups didn't attack Israel then Israel wouldn't have touched them.
Once again, that's ignorance.
LOL... wow... just... wow.Turkey and Kuwait have been assisting the U.S for many years. Israel has never assisted the U.S once. Therefore, there is NO way Israel is the best ally the U.S has in the M.E.
You're living in the dark man.
Ever heard of the The Global Jihad? Well, I've got news for you: it's real. You couldn't be more wrong than you are... the U.S. is very much concerned about every terrorist group on the planet. Interestingly enough, most of which have both the U.S. and Israel on their hit-lists. Imagine that...The U.S is fighting terrorist that are a threat to the U.S
U.S doesn't give a sh!t about terrorist that don't pose a threat to us. It's not our problem. We are not the world police.
You were correct about one thing though. We are not the world police... but, we are part of a team of said police -- a team that definitely includes the Israelis.
You're clueless. Maybe it's better that way...
Hm.. let's see Turkey is fighting the PKK. They are terrorist.
O wait .. they still aren't the #1 Ally in the M.E according to you because they're Mossslem..
Gotcha. Israel > Turkey because they are not Moslemms.
You claim to be unbiased.. LOL I laugh.
ERROR 404 LOGIC NOT FOUND
Seriously, wtf are you talking about? Many decent allies of the U.S. are considered "Muslim Nations," and many of my good friends in this fight are themselves Muslim. I work CT every day of my fucking life and I'm telling you that Israel is easily one of the best allies we have in the global war against terrorists.
Both Turkey and Kuwait are also great allies, but their overall contributions in the war pale in comparison to the efforts made by our brothers and sisters in the HaMossad leModi'in uleTafkidim Meyuhadim and IDF.
Get a grip and clue man.
Israel's fight doesn't make them a greater ally to the U.S over nations that work directly with the U.S.
Continue to cry about it. It's oK.
2) Who's "crying," and what are they "crying" about??
Keep living in the dark man... it's probably safer that way.
Diversions FTL.Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: palehorse
I work CT every day of my fucking life and I'm telling you that Israel is easily one of the best allies we have in the global war against terrorists.
Only because you continue stand in willful ignorance to ignore the fact that Israel's ongoing colonization to Palestinian land in the West Bank, along with our continuing support as the do so, is one of the terrorists most powerful recruitment tools.
You've got your eye so fixated on the ball that you have yet to comprehend what has been going on in the playing field since long before you entered the game. Please take a good look, at this map, Israeli settlements under full military control in blue, and Palestinian limited autonomy in brown:
http://www.btselem.org/Downloa...on_Barrier_Map_Eng.pdf
And read all about the details, including how Bush, Clinton, Blair, Palestinian and Israeli leaders, as well as leaders and others all over the world insist that Israel's colonization of the West Bank must end for this conflict to be resolved. Here is a collection of news articles on the subject where you can read about all that at much more:
http://kibush.co.il/datapage.asp?lang=1%20§ion=6
Originally posted by: palehorse
Diversions FTL.Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: palehorse
I work CT every day of my fucking life and I'm telling you that Israel is easily one of the best allies we have in the global war against terrorists.
Only because you continue stand in willful ignorance to ignore the fact that Israel's ongoing colonization to Palestinian land in the West Bank, along with our continuing support as the do so, is one of the terrorists most powerful recruitment tools.
You've got your eye so fixated on the ball that you have yet to comprehend what has been going on in the playing field since long before you entered the game. Please take a good look, at this map, Israeli settlements under full military control in blue, and Palestinian limited autonomy in brown:
http://www.btselem.org/Downloa...on_Barrier_Map_Eng.pdf
And read all about the details, including how Bush, Clinton, Blair, Palestinian and Israeli leaders, as well as leaders and others all over the world insist that Israel's colonization of the West Bank must end for this conflict to be resolved. Here is a collection of news articles on the subject where you can read about all that at much more:
http://kibush.co.il/datapage.asp?lang=1%20§ion=6
My point stands.
I am not the one who suggested they destroy anything.Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I'm an idiot??
You seem to forget history in which Israel was attacked multiple times by ALL of its neighbors working together and each time Israel kicked their butts.
1948 Arab?Israeli War, Six day war, and the Yom Kippur War were all wars in which Egypt, Syria, Jordan AND Iraq all worked together and in each case they got their asses kicked. In most of these wars the Israelis were out numbered two to one and were still able to inflict hugely lopsided casualties.
You do not destroy a symbol of religion. If you disagree with me then I guess Israel is stupid for not doing it. Israel is smart and not stupid as you would suggest. They didn't do it because that's the retarded-stupid thing to do.
You need help. Seriously.Originally posted by: Craig234
My understanding is that most of the detainees in Guantanamo, most of the thousands rounded up in big sweeps o 'grab every guy of military age' or bought from wardlords who regularly sold people they wanted to get rid of for illegitimate reasons or just profit from are not 'real threats'.
Originally posted by: Ozoned
You need help. Seriously.Originally posted by: Craig234
My understanding is that most of the detainees in Guantanamo, most of the thousands rounded up in big sweeps o 'grab every guy of military age' or bought from wardlords who regularly sold people they wanted to get rid of for illegitimate reasons or just profit from are not 'real threats'.
During the course of their research, the attorneys were struck by the overwhelming evidence that most of the detainees at Guantanamo are innocent. The CIA had pulled Abdurahman Khadr out of the camps not just because the detainees around him had become mentally unstable and uncommunicative, but because so few of them knew anything about Al Qaeda or the Taliban. During his debriefing, one of the first things Abdurahman told his CIA handlers was how utterly the United States had failed, in its military sweeps after the fall of the Taliban, to distinguish between the guilty and the innocent. In Afghanistan, the U.S. offered cash rewards for suspected Al Qaeda members that were sometimes equivalent to several years of local wages. The American military thus made every Arab-looking person in Afghanistan vulnerable to opportunists. Warlords rounded up people and brought them en masse to American authorities. Others were turned in to settle grudges, or because they had once associated with someone from Al Qaeda. U.S. intelligence apparently took criminals and mercenaries and underpaid soldiers at their word.
In his debriefing, Abdurahman Khadr told the CIA that only ten percent of the detainees at Guantanamo "are really dangerous." The rest, he said, "are people that don't have anything to do with it, don't even . . . understand what they're doing here." One innocent man, Abdurahman said, was given up by his own son for $5,000. Another detainee was nothing more than a drug user: Every time the MPs came around, he begged them for hashish: "He doesn't even know what he's doing here," Abdurahman said. "Truly a drug addict, not Al Qaeda at all."
One military-intelligence officer, speaking anonymously, told a reporter that more than seventy-five percent of the detainees at Guantanamo are innocent. When the government recently prepared Summaries of Evidence for its 517 detainees in an attempt to justify its "enemy combatant" designation, only eight percent were "definitively identified" as Al Qaeda fighters. Sixty-six percent have no definitive connection to Al Qaeda at all. The detention camps of Guantanamo Bay are filled with shepherds, taxi drivers, farmers, small businessmen, drug addicts, homeless people and children.
For Rick Wilson and Muneer Ahmad, this nasty truth led to an unnerving conclusion: After the invasion of Afghanistan, the Bush administration effectively kidnapped hundreds of innocent people because they looked like Arabs and shipped them to a detention facility designed to torture them nonstop and in perpetuity. If the president were tried in the Hague, the prosecution would have an easy case.
Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Originally posted by: palehorse
Diversions FTL.
My point stands.
It's not a diversion, you're ignoring key facts in a conflict 100 years in the making and making stupid conclusions since you only choose to acknowledge and consider the facts that fit your agenda.
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I am not the one who suggested they destroy anything.Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I'm an idiot??
You seem to forget history in which Israel was attacked multiple times by ALL of its neighbors working together and each time Israel kicked their butts.
1948 Arab?Israeli War, Six day war, and the Yom Kippur War were all wars in which Egypt, Syria, Jordan AND Iraq all worked together and in each case they got their asses kicked. In most of these wars the Israelis were out numbered two to one and were still able to inflict hugely lopsided casualties.
You do not destroy a symbol of religion. If you disagree with me then I guess Israel is stupid for not doing it. Israel is smart and not stupid as you would suggest. They didn't do it because that's the retarded-stupid thing to do.
Nice diversion though...
sorry... you're destined to live in darkness.Originally posted by: Aimster
I'd love to see what Israel has done that is greater than Turkey's troop and aircraft contributions to ASSIST THE U.S.
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Jews generally don't like non-Jews and are very xenophobic--that's a fact. All these clowns rallying for Israel and Jews are laughed at in close quarters, I know this b/c my gf is Jewish (who is hardcore pro-israel so we have interesting convos) and all our mutual friends are as well.
Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Originally posted by: palehorse
Diversions FTL.Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: palehorse
I work CT every day of my fucking life and I'm telling you that Israel is easily one of the best allies we have in the global war against terrorists.
Only because you continue stand in willful ignorance to ignore the fact that Israel's ongoing colonization to Palestinian land in the West Bank, along with our continuing support as the do so, is one of the terrorists most powerful recruitment tools.
You've got your eye so fixated on the ball that you have yet to comprehend what has been going on in the playing field since long before you entered the game. Please take a good look, at this map, Israeli settlements under full military control in blue, and Palestinian limited autonomy in brown:
http://www.btselem.org/Downloa...on_Barrier_Map_Eng.pdf
And read all about the details, including how Bush, Clinton, Blair, Palestinian and Israeli leaders, as well as leaders and others all over the world insist that Israel's colonization of the West Bank must end for this conflict to be resolved. Here is a collection of news articles on the subject where you can read about all that at much more:
http://kibush.co.il/datapage.asp?lang=1%20§ion=6
My point stands.
It's not a diversion, you're ignoring key facts in a conflict 100 years in the making and making stupid conclusions since you only choose to acknowledge and consider the facts that fit your agenda.
Here's a good read on the state of people living in the West Bank and Gaza, written by an Israeli for Haaretz:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/977947.html
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Jews generally don't like non-Jews and are very xenophobic--that's a fact. All these clowns rallying for Israel and Jews are laughed at in close quarters, I know this b/c my gf is Jewish (who is hardcore pro-israel so we have interesting convos) and all our mutual friends are as well.
Europeans want to kill all Jews, that is a fact.
Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Jews generally don't like non-Jews and are very xenophobic--that's a fact. All these clowns rallying for Israel and Jews are laughed at in close quarters, I know this b/c my gf is Jewish (who is hardcore pro-israel so we have interesting convos) and all our mutual friends are as well.
Europeans want to kill all Jews, that is a fact.
Ah, two trolls feeding one another.
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Jews generally don't like non-Jews and are very xenophobic--that's a fact. All these clowns rallying for Israel and Jews are laughed at in close quarters, I know this b/c my gf is Jewish (who is hardcore pro-israel so we have interesting convos) and all our mutual friends are as well.
Europeans want to kill all Jews, that is a fact.
Ah, two trolls feeding one another.
Except I was sarcastic :beer:
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Jews generally don't like non-Jews and are very xenophobic--that's a fact. All these clowns rallying for Israel and Jews are laughed at in close quarters, I know this b/c my gf is Jewish (who is hardcore pro-israel so we have interesting convos) and all our mutual friends are as well.