The brits are in for a rough ride

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Lifer
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TBH I'll be watching purely with schadenfreude. I'm not enthused with Labour right now. Don't get me wrong I'm absolutly going to vote for them and they are going to be a lot better than the Tories but they are hardly exciting at the moment.

Yeah, election night itself will be the highpoint. I have very little optimism for what happens after that.

And even the joy of seeing this lot be thrown out is greatly reduced by the fact so many of them are quitting anyway. Election night will largely be a succession of fresh-faced non-entities that one's never heard of, losing on behalf of the Tories. Very remote chance of both Rees-Mogg and Sunak himself losing their seats, though. Just not sure it's worth staying up that long just on the off-chance (those seats always come in very late, because the safer Tory seats are all rural areas where it takes forever to gather in the ballot boxes, and I think Sunak's is the safest Tory seat in the country).
 

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Lifer
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Don't know if this is good news or bad. There's clearly a significant far-right faction of the electorate out there, but the FPTP electoral system means all they are likely to do is ensure the collapse of the right as a whole. After decades of the anti-Tory vote being split between Lib Dem and Labour, now the boot may be on the other foot.

Also, this bit surprises me. Who has Labour, Lib Dem or the Greens as their 'second choice' after Farage's lot?

...even if they were to stand down just 36% of their voters say they would switch to the Conservatives. Instead, 6% would vote Labour, the same proportion would go Lib Dem, 4% would switch to the Greens, and 12% to another party

 

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Lifer
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Also, this bit surprises me. Who has Labour, Lib Dem or the Greens as their 'second choice' after Farage's lot?
There's that whole Brexit voting contingent that traditionally voted labour but voted Boris that ended the red wall thing.
 

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Lifer
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There's that whole Brexit voting contingent that traditionally voted labour but voted Boris that ended the red wall thing.

I guess, that might explain having Labour as second-choice, but the Lib Dems (whose sole fixed belief seems to be being anti-Brexit) or Greens?

Not sure whether to be depressed that a party like Reform has such a solid block of support, or pleased that it will split the right-wing vote.
 

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Not sure whether to be depressed that a party like Reform has such a solid block of support, or pleased that it will split the right-wing vote.
They are a bit of a protest vote for people who see (multi millionaire ex investment banker, career politician) Farage as a man of the people with their working class interests at heart. [insert saltoftheearthmorons.gif]

On the one hand its hilarious to see the Tories getting eviserated from both sides, on the other hand I'm really sick of seeing Farage banging on every time the telly goes on.
 
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Lifer
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Love what is happening to the Tory's


This line was something:

We find that the public is relatively open to the concept of total electoral obliteration for the Conservatives. 46% of the public agreed with the slightly excessive statement that the Conservatives “deserve to lose every seat they have”, including around a quarter of their own 2019 voters (24%) , and a whole 64% of those who intend to vote Labour.

This seems bad for them
 
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Sunak's out-of-touchness is beyond parody.

I wonder where he gets it from? I mean, his parents were a GP and a pharmacist, and, true, both those professions are in reality pretty well paid (certainly compared to my parents and the parents of most people I've known). As happened repeatedly with Thatcher, the "ordinaryness" of his background is greatly overstated because people don't seem to understand the actual income distribution of this country, especially in the past (Thatcher always got painted as some lower class interloper among the aristos of the MacMillan era Tory party, when in fact her father was a very wealthy businessman and local politician, and her family was far wealthier than that of either Edward Heath - son of a train-driver, and not-nearly as posh as his affected accent implied - or Harold Wilson)

But still wouldn't expect someone even from the affluent upper-middle-class to be _quite_ as out-of-touch with the real world as Sunak appears to be. There are titled aristocrats who have more of a 'common touch' than he does. Has he had to work at it, or were his grandparents actually even more upper-class?

According to wiki it seems he's yet another of the current top Tories who is descended from the Hindu Indians who the British used as the administrator class in Africa, and who went on to became the elite business class there - just as with Braverman and Patel. There's a weird irony/twist in the way the descendants of the people who once bossed the natives around to facilitate their exploitation by the British empire now have the same role domestically.
Every single politician should be required to live a year as a normie. Service job, you start like $1k in debt and you're paid minimum wage. You have to find a place to live, pay for your shit, etc. If you can't scrape yourself up legally, pay your debt, taxes, rent, bills, food, whatever, you don't get to be in govt.
 

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Lifer
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Every single politician should be required to live a year as a normie. Service job, you start like $1k in debt and you're paid minimum wage. You have to find a place to live, pay for your shit, etc. If you can't scrape yourself up legally, pay your debt, taxes, rent, bills, food, whatever, you don't get to be in govt.
It's not his background that's screwed him over, it's that he has no idea how to talk to people.
He could have said "Yes I had a comfortable upbringing. My parents worked hard to achieve a comfortable middle class life and I enjoyed the advantages of that. As such I'm committed to giving everyone in the UK that opportunity. Everyone should be able to succeed through hard work"
I guarantee that the Tory faithful would gobble that down.
 

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Lifer
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It's not his background that's screwed him over, it's that he has no idea how to talk to people.
He could have said "Yes I had a comfortable upbringing. My parents worked hard to achieve a comfortable middle class life and I enjoyed the advantages of that. As such I'm committed to giving everyone in the UK that opportunity. Everyone should be able to succeed through hard work"
I guarantee that the Tory faithful would gobble that down.
Probably, but you need the perspective of someone who grew up lower than middle class to know what to say and how to say it, and that's the whole point. Affluenza is a very persistent disease and it's hard to shake it if you don't get some perspective in your life, or if you aren't very, very empathetic toward other people.
 
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Lifer
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Also, this bit surprises me. Who has Labour, Lib Dem or the Greens as their 'second choice' after Farage's lot?

They're voting for UKIP: Therefore who says they have to make any sense at all.

+1 WelshBloke's point - the reason why the tories are doing so badly is because they've done next to nothing of value in power, all they've done is pander to the far-right, and pretty much everything that Starmer's Labour is doing right now is pretending to be the tories.

Logically the big two parties are giving the electorate a choice: A tactical vote or a burn-it-down vote.

Side note - it never ceases to amaze me how the incumbent routinely does fuck-all of use to the masses in power then when election time comes they spring out all the promises of what they will do rather than showcasing what they have done. Like children who left the homework until the night before / asked for an extension.
 

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Lifer
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Side note - it never ceases to amaze me how the incumbent routinely does fuck-all of use to the masses in power then when election time comes they spring out all the promises of what they will do rather than showcasing what they have done. Like children who left the homework until the night before / asked for an extension.

As has been repeatedly observed on numerous forums, even their attempts to make those promises come across as desperately making things up on the spot, few of which amount to more than a promising-sounding policy name. Exactly like Alan Partridge's efforts at securing a second series. The reality is they have nothing to say because they know they've achieved nothing and they don't even have any plans/ideas/vision for what to do next - they just desperately want to hang on to power for its own sake, along with those ministerial salaries and perks.

Just substitute "National service" for "monkey tennis".
 

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Lifer
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Don't know if this is good news or bad. There's clearly a significant far-right faction of the electorate out there, but the FPTP electoral system means all they are likely to do is ensure the collapse of the right as a whole. After decades of the anti-Tory vote being split between Lib Dem and Labour, now the boot may be on the other foot.

Also, this bit surprises me. Who has Labour, Lib Dem or the Greens as their 'second choice' after Farage's lot?



I think it is a problem in a dualistic political system as you also experience in th US.

We have had a far-right movement in Denmark 20 years ago and it has transformed a lot in Danish politics, but it has also shown to the voters that they are not better politicians than the moderate and when they can't deliver what they promise, and they have the same scandals and bickering in the parties, then the voters leave them again. And when you have 8-9 parties to choose between, you don't have to be a very loyal voter.
 

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Lifer
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This bit made me laugh

But perhaps most important, a surprise attack only works if you take the other side by surprise. The prime minister’s decision was such a well-guarded secret (or made in such a hurry) that when he announced it in Downing Street, he sprang a trap on his own party – and the result has been devastating for already-shaky Tory morale.

That's a rare feat, to pull off a surprise attack that surprises your own side rather than the enemy. Sunak turns "being bad at politics" into an art form. It's as if Operation Copperhead had been aimed at fooling the allies own forces rather than the Germans.
 
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Lifer
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Elizabeth Philp, 40, whose husband has called for “zero tolerance” to all crime, is accused of data-handling offences and unlawfully using confidential information from her former employer to set up a rival business.

I suppose, in fairness, nobody has been convicted (yet). But still, the bolded bit is ...ironic.
 
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