The Clintons Killed The Democratic Party

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HTFOff

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"New York and Cali fund the country bro! Also, CEO's are overcompensated and fuck Wall St.!"
 

dainthomas

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unseenmorbidity is one of the berniest Bernie-bros I've ever seen. And that's saying something living in Portland.

Every time Dump screws something else up, they're quicker to run to "what about Hillary" than any maga-ist.
 
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Its relevant if you want to win elections within the system the Founding Fathers devised
This is such a tired trope. The electoral college, in it's current state is nowhere close to what was envisioned by the Founding Fathers, not does it operate in a similar manner as it did in the early days of the republic.
 

Starbuck1975

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Mmm, no. That was Bush who destroyed the economy, let the House of Saud attack America get away with attacking America, and dragged America into two pointless wars.
All you say about W is true. That doesn't change the fact that Clinton is the overrated beneficiary of circumstances who managed to triangulate America into a globalized Wall Street beholden world of sh!t
 
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unseenmorbidity

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unseenmorbidity is one of the berniest Bernie-bros I've ever seen. And that's saying something living in Portland.

Every time Dump screws something else up, they're quicker to run to "what about Hillary" than any maga-ist.

No, I am actually trying to bring reason back into the debate. There is far too much bullshit being tossed around that's distracting from the real issues, like the Tax plan.

Running around like a chicken with it's head cut off screaming about Pussy Grabbing Trump, and Russia only helps to serve their agenda.
 
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woolfe9998

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They are the beneficiaries of disproprortionate federal investments, so they really have no grounds upon which to complain that the rest of the country expects a return on that investment.

The federal government did not invest in making California an IT superpower. They invested in scientific research. The reason California was able to take advantage of that opportunity was likely due to cultural and economic factors endemic to the state. These weren't simply handouts. The people receiving this money had to take it and innovate. The federal government had a hand in this success but so too did the pioneers of Silicon Valley. Other states could have taken advantage of these opportunities but did not.

This is materially different than a wealthy state like CA being forced to subsidize poorer states who failed to take advantage of the available opportunities. Alabama could have taken advantage of federal research money and created their own Silicon Valley, but they didn't. Now they're getting handouts from the state which had the foresight and wherewithal to succeed where they did not.

Your analogy fails.
 

unseenmorbidity

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The federal government did not invest in making California an IT superpower. They invested in scientific research. The reason California was able to take advantage of that opportunity was likely due to cultural and economic factors endemic to the state. These weren't simply handouts. The people receiving this money had to take it and innovate. The federal government had a hand in this success but so too did the pioneers of Silicon Valley. Other states could have taken advantage of these opportunities but did not.

This is materially different than a wealthy state like CA being forced to subsidize poorer states who failed to take advantage of the available opportunities. Alabama could have taken advantage of federal research money and created their own Silicon Valley, but they didn't. Now they're getting handouts from the state which had the foresight and wherewithal to succeed where they did not.

Your analogy fails.
You talk as if we are fighting for the same resources. This is supposed to be the UNITED states of America.

This is the same bullshit logic republicans use to justify the wealth of the oligarchs that run this country.
 
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JSt0rm

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No, I am actually trying to bring reason back into the debate. There is far too much bullshit being tossed around that's distracting from the real issues, like the Tax plan.

Running around like a chicken with it's head cut off screaming about Pussy Grabbing Trump, and Russia only helps to serve their agenda.

calling the largest economic powerhouse in the country and the 9th largest gdp in the world an outlier isnt "reason"

You are basically too stupid to know you are stupid.
 
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unseenmorbidity

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calling the largest economic powerhouse in the country and the 9th largest gdp in the world an outlier isnt "reason"

You are basically too stupid to know you are stupid.
Clinton won that state by what? 35 points?

Then you have it's immense population to consider.

Do you need me to define an outlier for you!?

EDIT:

Says the twat that thought HRC was the superior general candidate, and couldn't possibly lose to Trump.

If I am stupid, then I would hate to see what that makes you.
 

woolfe9998

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Read the context champ! If you are trying to label someone a progressive based on the senate voting record, then you are talking out of your ass. The most leftwing legislation that goes up for a vote in the senate is center right, just like Obama.

Hell, her voting record isn't even good...

This makes exactly zero sense. A big part of her voting record, which is nearly identical to that of Bernie Sanders, the candidate you supported in the primaries, was voting against right wing legislation. It isn't just that she voted with Sanders over 90% of the time. It's that she voted opposite of how the GOP voted in almost every single case. It makes absolutely zero sense for you to equate one who votes against republicans with the republicans, which is what you're doing here.

The Reagan era personifies the current GOP. A moderate republican in the 1980s is still a moderate republican today.


Justice democrats.

Et vous?

The GOP was not a liberal party in the 1980's, to be sure. But they have moved quite further to the right since. This is a fact.

https://legacy.voteview.com/political_polarization_2014.htm

But facts aren't really your strong suit, are they? Nor is the concept of "further" as that requires a brain able to distinguish degrees, which doesn't mesh with your black and white mentality,.
 

soundforbjt

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Clinton won that state by what? 35 points?

Then you have it's immense population to consider.

Do you need me to define an outlier for you!?

EDIT:

Says the twat that thought HRC was the superior general candidate, and couldn't possibly lose to Trump.

If I am stupid, then I would hate to see what that makes you.
Texas is more of an outlier than CA, it’s the only large state that votes Republican.
 

Jhhnn

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unseenmorbidity is one of the berniest Bernie-bros I've ever seen. And that's saying something living in Portland.

Every time Dump screws something else up, they're quicker to run to "what about Hillary" than any maga-ist.

It's called concern trolling. The Russians perfected the technique in 2016, chumped the living shit out of Bernie supporters. Witness their cranio-rectal infarction today... The notion that Hillary would have been "just as bad" as the Donald illustrates it perfectly.
 

soundforbjt

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It's called concern trolling. The Russians perfected the technique in 2016, chumped the living shit out of Bernie supporters. Witness their cranio-rectal infarction today... The notion that Hillary would have been "just as bad" as the Donald illustrates it perfectly.
Yeah they never saw any Russian ads but saw plenty saying Bernie was screwed by the Dems.
 

Jhhnn

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Yeah they never saw any Russian ads but saw plenty saying Bernie was screwed by the Dems.

They joined the chant coming from Trump, the Russians & the right wing noise machine- Crooked Hillary! What's she hiding? Lock her up! Poor Bernie! So cheated! Yada, yada, yada...

It's the lexicon of the not very bright & of trolls.
 

woolfe9998

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It's called concern trolling. The Russians perfected the technique in 2016, chumped the living shit out of Bernie supporters. Witness their cranio-rectal infarction today... The notion that Hillary would have been "just as bad" as the Donald illustrates it perfectly.

Not to mention his belief that the Russia meddling is just a nonsense conspiracy theory. Gee, I wonder where so many Bernie supporters got that idea from.
 

unseenmorbidity

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Yeah they never saw any Russian ads but saw plenty saying Bernie was screwed by the Dems.
You mean the measly 150k spent on facebook!? lol 150k isn't even peanuts, it's crumbs of peanuts.

Did you know that Zuckerberg was having meetings with HRC's campaign!? lol

HRC spent millions on online troll farms to "correct the record".

But Putin overturned the election with a few thousand dollars!? Fuck off...

Not to mention his belief that the Russia meddling is just a nonsense conspiracy theory. Gee, I wonder where so many Bernie supporters got that idea from.
Okay big boy, show me the evidence...
 
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kage69

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We still have a national guard and reserve. The underlying intent is the protection of private property from military exploitation. That this amendment seems outlandish today is a testament to its effectiveness as originally written.

Outlandish != technically invalid

Also, the 3rd specifically mentions private homes.

In a day and age where the DoD and States both have a massive military infrastructure to use, without the consent of civilians and whenever the hell they want, it would seem the passage of time does indeed affect the validity of parts of the Constitution. Hypothetically it could be repealed tomorrow and not one thing would really change. The military still exploits what it needs to exploit in times of peace or war, and there are always industries waiting to help.

I just find this idea of the Constitution being immune to time quite baffling.
 

Starbuck1975

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The federal government did not invest in making California an IT superpower. They invested in scientific research. The reason California was able to take advantage of that opportunity was likely due to cultural and economic factors endemic to the state. These weren't simply handouts. The people receiving this money had to take it and innovate. The federal government had a hand in this success but so too did the pioneers of Silicon Valley. Other states could have taken advantage of these opportunities but did not.

This is materially different than a wealthy state like CA being forced to subsidize poorer states who failed to take advantage of the available opportunities. Alabama could have taken advantage of federal research money and created their own Silicon Valley, but they didn't. Now they're getting handouts from the state which had the foresight and wherewithal to succeed where they did not.

Your analogy fails.
No, my analogy is fairly accurate. Research, technology, freeways, dams, waterworks, ports and infrastructure...all the things that drive the California economy, were the result of federal investments.

The federal government did not make similar investments in the deep south or rust belt due to basic geography and the impact of globalization.

The stubborn denial of federal funds by red states is a more recent neo conservative stigginit dynamic.
 
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dank69

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You mean the measly 150k spent on facebook!? lol 150k isn't even peanuts, it's crumbs of peanuts.

Did you know that Zuckerberg was having meetings with HRC's campaign!? lol

HRC spent millions on online troll farms to "correct the record".

But Putin overturned the election with a few thousand dollars!? Fuck off...


Okay big boy, show me the evidence...
Was enough to brainfuck you.
 

bradly1101

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A lot to criticize, and let's remember that Bill understood trickle-up economics. He also managed with congress to balance a budget. [sorry if this has already been mentioned].

Good and bad. The frailties, blunders, and genius of humans.
 

Starbuck1975

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Outlandish != technically invalid

Also, the 3rd specifically mentions private homes.

In a day and age where the DoD and States both have a massive military infrastructure to use, without the consent of civilians and whenever the hell they want, it would seem the passage of time does indeed affect the validity of parts of the Constitution. Hypothetically it could be repealed tomorrow and not one thing would really change. The military still exploits what it needs to exploit in times of peace or war, and there are always industries waiting to help.

I just find this idea of the Constitution being immune to time quite baffling.
The fact that the military had to build
that infrastructure is largely due to the 3rd. That Constitutional protection is what enabled and motivated what we now accept as the status quo.

I can relate. I find Clinton cheerleaders equally baffling.
 
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