The Collapse of the Black Family

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Svnla

Lifer
Nov 10, 2003
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Yes, its called racist drug laws that target minorities.

If a person (of any races) would not have anything to do with drug of any kinds, then he or she would not be bother by those drug laws.

And you do know that there are OTHER minority groups in the US, right? If what you said was true (racist laws target minorites), please provide links/sources with stagering stats about other minority groups as I did above in post #71.

Nice try to spin/making excuses.
 
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Ausm

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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70% of black children today are born to single mothers.

In 1965 it was 28%

WTF happened?

And how much does this stat correlate with black poverty, unemployment, and high rate of incarceration? I think this is the #1 factor by far.

Are whites to blame for this? When are blacks no longer victims of white racism, and instead victims of ghetto culture?

Edit. What happened to shame? Seems like our society tolerates, even applauds, destructive behavior like this now.

Also great article: http://www.city-journal.org/html/15_3_black_family.html

How many children are born to single white Mothers?
 

Saint Nick

Lifer
Jan 21, 2005
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Yes, its called racist drug laws that target minorities.
Oh really? How do they "target minorities"? The only way that people get arrested for drugs is if they have drugs on their person...and at that point, they've made themselves a target.

Yeah, so, enlighten me.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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Oh really? How do they "target minorities"? The only way that people get arrested for drugs is if they have drugs on their person...and at that point, they've made themselves a target.

Yeah, so, enlighten me.
Considering drug laws merely give cops an excuse to rummage through people's shit, and the cops doing the rummaging have the sole discretion of whether or not to A) rummage in the first place, and B) make the arrest or issue a warning once something is found, then yeah, it is a great tool to target minorities while giving whoever you want a free pass.
 

buckshot24

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Nov 3, 2009
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Maybe there is something in the water.
All I wanted was your opinions on the subject. There aren't any easy answers. Thanks for taking the time.

My personal opinion is that dad knows that the kids won't starve if he bolts so it makes it easier for himself to justify not sticking around. A more obvious cause is that more people are having more sex earlier in their lives causing unplanned pregnancies but that doesn't explain why black fathers are more likely to not stick around.
 

Saint Nick

Lifer
Jan 21, 2005
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I would say these issues could be attributed more to being poorly educated than anything. You can't teach anything to someone who doesn't want to learn. Now you just have to get the kids to want to learn.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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70% of black children today are born to single mothers.

In 1965 it was 28%

WTF happened?

And how much does this stat correlate with black poverty, unemployment, and high rate of incarceration? I think this is the #1 factor by far.

Are whites to blame for this? When are blacks no longer victims of white racism, and instead victims of ghetto culture?

Edit. What happened to shame? Seems like our society tolerates, even applauds, destructive behavior like this now.

Also great article: http://www.city-journal.org/html/15_3_black_family.html

I'll deal with the poverty/employment thing. Decided to check income of blacks compared to all races. Number is percentage blacks earn compared to other races.

1965 - 58%
1993 - 58%
2000 - 72%
2009 - 65%

Looks like blacks had their best percentage of earning after the Clinton administration.

This kind of blows a hole in the single/mother income thing.
 

nehalem256

Lifer
Apr 13, 2012
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I'll deal with the poverty/employment thing. Decided to check income of blacks compared to all races. Number is percentage blacks earn compared to other races.

1965 - 58%
1993 - 58%
2000 - 72%
2009 - 65%

Looks like blacks had their best percentage of earning after the Clinton administration.

This kind of blows a hole in the single/mother income thing.

The poverty rate was higher in the 50s for all races. And yet the out-of-wedlock birthrate was lower

*mind blown*
 

PJABBER

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Feb 8, 2001
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This is an interesting topic as it revisits a dialogue that commenced around 45 years ago with the publication of a study by Daniel Patrick Moynihan - “The Negro Family: The Case for National Action.”

It was hugely prophetic and it accurately described the consequences of the welfare state initiatives that have continued to the present.

So many here support Democrat social welfare policies, yet remain ignorant of the ultimately destructive effects of these policies.

So many lives have been destroyed, so many futures have been abandoned.

I am on vacation and just dropped in for a few minutes, so I won't linger, but here is a link to a good article that explains the controversy and the consequences we are living with now.

The Black Family: 40 Years of Lies

I suggest that if you really want to engage in this debate, you should at least read this summary article, as the comments thus far are mostly guesses rather than any real insight.

It is not a question of who won the debate, it is clear that Moynihan and his researchers did.

The real question that needs to be asked is - as the case against them was proved out, the Democrat leadership continued to double down, just as they are doing this very day - why did they continue those destructive policies and programs?
 

Atreus21

Lifer
Aug 21, 2007
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This is an interesting topic as it revisits a dialogue that commenced around 45 years ago with the publication of a study by Daniel Patrick Moynihan - “The Negro Family: The Case for National Action.”

It was hugely prophetic and it accurately described the consequences of the welfare state initiatives that have continued to the present.

So many here support Democrat social welfare policies, yet remain ignorant of the ultimately destructive effects of these policies.

So many lives have been destroyed, so many futures have been abandoned.

I am on vacation and just dropped in for a few minutes, so I won't linger, but here is a link to a good article that explains the controversy and the consequences we are living with now.

The Black Family: 40 Years of Lies

I suggest that if you really want to engage in this debate, you should at least read this summary article, as the comments thus far are mostly guesses rather than any real insight.

It is not a question of who won the debate, it is clear that Moynihan and his researchers did.

The real question that needs to be asked is - as the case against them was proved out, the Democrat leadership continued to double down, just as they are doing this very day - why did they continue those destructive policies and programs?

That's the same link as the one in the OP.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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28,144
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This is an interesting topic as it revisits a dialogue that commenced around 45 years ago with the publication of a study by Daniel Patrick Moynihan - “The Negro Family: The Case for National Action.”

It was hugely prophetic and it accurately described the consequences of the welfare state initiatives that have continued to the present.

So many here support Democrat social welfare policies, yet remain ignorant of the ultimately destructive effects of these policies.

So many lives have been destroyed, so many futures have been abandoned.

I am on vacation and just dropped in for a few minutes, so I won't linger, but here is a link to a good article that explains the controversy and the consequences we are living with now.

The Black Family: 40 Years of Lies

I suggest that if you really want to engage in this debate, you should at least read this summary article, as the comments thus far are mostly guesses rather than any real insight.

It is not a question of who won the debate, it is clear that Moynihan and his researchers did.

The real question that needs to be asked is - as the case against them was proved out, the Democrat leadership continued to double down, just as they are doing this very day - why did they continue those destructive policies and programs?

Using Democrat as a pejorative, instant loss of credibility.
 
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