I anticipated an Yahoo! article, they just put together some random and obvious stuff, add some form of, mostly unsubstantiated quantification and add them to their home page... mostly bull shit...
Kids: Don't fall the "We need more CS Graduates" BS and job postings coming out of companies like IBM and Microsoft. They're just posting "phantom jobs" that only exist to fill H1-B positions. Those foreign tech workers will get paid about 25% less than a domestic tech worker.
Companies are desperate for domestic technical talent, but 95% of college graduates are not good enough.
If by not good enough you mean cheap enough, you're right. Question: how many of these companies ever contact the schools directly to try and steer students education towards what they're looking for? Answer: damn few.
You're right except the majority of companies won't even look at you without the piece of paper. You can count the number of success stories like your friend's on one hand with fingers left over.The education actually doesn't matter that much for these sorts of technical jobs. The classes you take are almost irrelevant (as long as you have the basic into courses which you can take in most high schools these days). The major itself is almost not even important. What matters is the ability to think logically and learn quickly.
If there was a way to effectively target these sorts of people directly out of high school, a lot of companies would. This is actually already starting to happen to some degree.
In terms of not cheap enough, the good companies are paying top dollar for good graduates. A lot of people are graduating with CS and Engineering degrees and getting starting salaries in the range of $80-120k.
I know this kid. He dropped out of high school (already being a competent programmer) and got a job making $100k.
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/zoli-kahan-teenager-dropout-silicon-valley-recruit/
You're right except the majority of companies won't even look at you without the piece of paper. You can count the number of success stories like your friend's on one hand with fingers left over.
Maybe the crap jobs that WiPro and InfoSys fill, but I get paid a fair bit more than most Americans where I'm atKids: Don't fall the "We need more CS Graduates" BS and job postings coming out of companies like IBM and Microsoft. They're just posting "phantom jobs" that only exist to fill H1-B positions. Those foreign tech workers will get paid about 25% less than a domestic tech worker.
You're right except the majority of companies won't even look at you without the piece of paper. You can count the number of success stories like your friend's on one hand with fingers left over.
I agree that the piece of paper is important. Also, being able to get into university career fairs is important. Although companies are starting to explore recruiting outside the university level (i.e. high school, self-taught, etc), but it's still a long ways off.
To get a good, high paying job you need to do the following:
- get admitted to a top school (good companies only recruit at top universities)
- make great grades (this is your "in" to getting your first internship)
- learn the low-level basics of your field (your first year or two, your higher level classes aren't things you need to get a job)
- be smart and capable of learning on your own (this will get tested in an interview)
- do 2 or 3 internships (if you don't intern, you're not going to get a good job when you graduate)
- get your post-graduation job lined up the fall semester of your senior year (which will be easy provided you meet the above criteria). The good people get snatched up during the fall career fair, so the spring career fair is recruited much less heavily.
Nothing I mentioned above is anything companies can help with. The classes at your university don't matter. The major you're in doesn't matter that much. To your point, the degree and university you attend are your "ins" to getting a great job, but the actual things you study there don't matter that much.
Kids: Don't fall the "We need more CS Graduates" BS and job postings coming out of companies like IBM and Microsoft. They're just posting "phantom jobs" that only exist to fill H1-B positions. Those foreign tech workers will get paid about 25% less than a domestic tech worker.
What you've described is 'inertia.' The big companies could change the situation if they cared to. If they were really interested in finding the best people, they would change how they recruit. The big companies succeed not through innovation and planning but, through blindly following what "we've always done." But you're right, if you choose to play the corporate game, your outline is spot on. I just always ask myself, how is it that so many people bright enough to do well in tough programs across the country choose to work for soul sucking corporations who care nothing about their employees, making a difference or, raising standards? Well, that's another question I guess.I agree that the piece of paper is important. Also, being able to get into university career fairs is important. Although companies are starting to explore recruiting outside the university level (i.e. high school, self-taught, etc), but it's still a long ways off.
To get a good, high paying job you need to do the following:
- get admitted to a top school (good companies only recruit at top universities)
- make great grades (this is your "in" to getting your first internship)
- learn the low-level basics of your field (your first year or two, your higher level classes aren't things you need to get a job)
- be smart and capable of learning on your own (this will get tested in an interview)
- do 2 or 3 internships (if you don't intern, you're not going to get a good job when you graduate)
- get your post-graduation job lined up the fall semester of your senior year (which will be easy provided you meet the above criteria). The good people get snatched up during the fall career fair, so the spring career fair is recruited much less heavily.
Nothing I mentioned above is anything companies can help with. The classes at your university don't matter. The major you're in doesn't matter that much. To your point, the degree and university you attend are your "ins" to getting a great job, but the actual things you study there don't matter that much.
Having just gone through a hiring process to bring on a couple more employees I can tell you we were looking less at technical ability and knowledge and more at the ability to think on their feet and analyze problems. This is becoming less and less of a sticking point in schools and it is impacting young adult's ability to get jobs out of college.
The other big issue is the lack of effort and drive to succeed. I see it where I work every day. People want everything handed to them on a silver platter. I'm part of that generation and see it all the time. I know people that complain about not being able to find work after graduation but don't want to put in the time and have the common sense of a rock.
There are plenty of reasons people don't get hired and can't find work outside of the particular major they were in. Yes it can be a hurdle to overcome but there are certainly opportunities out there for those that apply themselves.
Having just gone through a hiring process to bring on a couple more employees I can tell you we were looking less at technical ability and knowledge and more at the ability to think on their feet and analyze problems. This is becoming less and less of a sticking point in schools and it is impacting young adult's ability to get jobs out of college.
The other big issue is the lack of effort and drive to succeed. I see it where I work every day. People want everything handed to them on a silver platter. I'm part of that generation and see it all the time. I know people that complain about not being able to find work after graduation but don't want to put in the time and have the common sense of a rock.
There are plenty of reasons people don't get hired and can't find work outside of the particular major they were in. Yes it can be a hurdle to overcome but there are certainly opportunities out there for those that apply themselves.
What did you hire for?
What you've described is 'inertia.' The big companies could change the situation if they cared to. If they were really interested in finding the best people, they would change how they recruit. The big companies succeed not through innovation and planning but, through blindly following what "we've always done." But you're right, if you choose to play the corporate game, your outline is spot on. I just always ask myself, how is it that so many people bright enough to do well in tough programs across the country choose to work for soul sucking corporations who care nothing about their employees, making a difference or, raising standards? Well, that's another question I guess.
i see the bolded a lot with people younger than me. i'm 33 now and the kids in their early 20's simply have no drive and want everything handed to them. trident is a perfect example, go read his thread lol.
i see the bolded a lot with people younger than me. i'm 33 now and the kids in their early 20's simply have no drive and want everything handed to them. trident is a perfect example, go read his thread lol.
Interviewee: So that's my solution
(I notice a problem with a part of their solution)
Me: I think there may be a problem with this part. Would you care to take another look at it?
Interviewee: Nope. I feel like I've demonstrated that I'm capable of solving this question. Let's move on to the next question.
Me: You sure? I'd rather see you fix this solution first.
Interviewee: Yup, let's do the next question