The Dark Knight Rises: Offical Review Thread (Spoilers). $162MM Weekend

[Fritzo]

Also, Bane was awesome. However, they really fucked up his voice. Definitely shouldn't have just dubbed it on top. In some scenes, it was OK, but for the most part, it sucked dick.

I guess during the test screening they used his original voice, and it was even worse.

 

[BenSkywalker]

My thoughts on a few of the 'plot holes',

The leg brace- I actually chuckled when I saw him kick out the corner of that brick wall. Anyone ever lived in an area with brick work still around from ~150 years earlier that has been exposed to nearly constant ~100% humidity? I would wager a shocking number of the people that have posted in this very thread would have very little trouble doing it, they have the structural integrity of thick mud. All it showed me was that he had movement back in his leg, it wasn't a bionic aid in the sense it seems people were thinking.

Raz's appearance- the greatest detective mind in the world is stuck for months in a place with people that know most of the story behind Bane and Talia. We could have a stream of lines from different conversations over the course of months where Bruce pieced it all together, or we could throw out a scene with Liam Neeson and pay fan service and get a quick summation of what he uncovered over the course of months. You could argue that he didn't piece it all together until he had a dream where Raz came to him.

The bomb- a man smart enough to take down the mob, create a fission reactor, build a code base for an aircraft in a matter of weeks using flight mechanics unique in aviation, wouldn't have the sense to have the aircraft drop the fvcking bomb when it got a few miles out? Really? Assuming that it didn't happen to me is a much larger plot hole- Bruce Wayne all of the sudden became a complete retard over the course of sixty seconds. Seriously, how many people in this thread wouldn't be thinking about getting the bomb under water ASAP when they were at a reasonable distance? One of the smartest men alive wouldn't think of it though? Really? I saw it on extra large format IMax, I have 20/10 vision, you couldn't make out the bomb before it went off.

No spec ops teams, no snipers taking Bane down- I honestly thought they spent far *too much* time explaining that Bane didn't have the detonator on him. Several people thought that he was a liar, but it turns out he wasn't. Talia had the detonator on her. He explained it clearly, and it was discussed repeatedly, why nobody was taking Bane down.

Wayne's hookup- Are we going to ignore that as the series stood prior to that scene, Batman was going to die a virgin? Is that really remotely plausible? An attractive orphaned billionaire? Just.... no.

Up until his final conversation with Alfred, he thought that Rachel was going to wait for him and felt honor bound to do the same for her. After that discussion with Alfred, he learned that he had been holding on to a lie the entire time. Obviously her motives were fairly clear on why she wanted to do it, if I was Bruce in that situation I might have been trying to get into Alfred's pants(obviously Catwoman would have been almost anyone's first choice, but she didn't happen to pop up on his doorstep looking to get some).

Batman getting back into the city- Really? The man who vanishes on people in the middle of a conversation on a regular basis, the most skilled ninja the League of Shadows ever turned out couldn't sneak into a giant metropolis? If he had so much as a hint of difficulty it would have been laughable and absurd.

Those are the only points brought up that I can think off of the top of my head. I remember reading through them all and thinking that they were all either explicitly explained or would have been much *larger* plot holes if they went the other way with them.

Edit- Thought of another one, Bane's mask- Raz made it for him, Talia explained it. A man so thoroughly trained in human anatomy would likely know how to create a fixed device that could remove pain from a given part of the body(not using modern science necessarily, perhaps acupuncture - ish).

 

[Fenixgoon]

great movie. really enjoyed it. and i thought they did a fantastic job with bane.

 

[Ns1]

The bomb- a man smart enough to take down the mob, create a fission reactor, build a code base for an aircraft in a matter of weeks using flight mechanics unique in aviation, wouldn't have the sense to have the aircraft drop the fvcking bomb when it got a few miles out? Really? Assuming that it didn't happen to me is a much larger plot hole- Bruce Wayne all of the sudden became a complete retard over the course of sixty seconds. Seriously, how many people in this thread wouldn't be thinking about getting the bomb under water ASAP when they were at a reasonable distance? One of the smartest men alive wouldn't think of it though? Really? I saw it on extra large format IMax, I have 20/10 vision, you couldn't make out the bomb before it went off.

A smart man would let the plane go on autopilot and destroy itself with "everyone on board" so that the smart man could start over and live another life

Are we going to ignore that as the series stood prior to that scene, Batman was going to die a virgin?

I'm under the impression that he was a player and bangs anything with 2 legs. he does have girls on his arms constantly...

Batman getting back into the city- Really? The man who vanishes on people in the middle of a conversation on a regular basis, the most skilled ninja the League of Shadows ever turned out couldn't sneak into a giant metropolis? If he had so much as a hint of difficulty it would have been laughable and absurd.

Don't understand?

 

[gorcorps]

Edit- Thought of another one, Bane's mask- Raz made it for him, Talia explained it. A man so thoroughly trained in human anatomy would likely know how to create a fixed device that could remove pain from a given part of the body(not using modern science necessarily, perhaps acupuncture - ish).

But it's tubing as well. Bane didn't have trouble until Batman starting hitting him right in the mask and the tubes came apart. The workings of his mask wouldn't even be such a big deal if they didn't explicitly use that as the way he was defeated. They made damn sure you saw the tubes in his mask pop off as Batman kept hitting him, then he slowed down and was eventually beaten. Then they showed Talia fix his mask and he perked back up. So... what the hell is going on in there that's the difference between not being able to stand and being able to trounce Batman? "Holding back the pain" is not an explanation, it's a one sentence brush off so Nolan could check off "talk about mask" on his to-do list.

For the record I really enjoyed the movie and stuff like that doesn't bother me while actually watching the movie, it's just stuff that realize wasn't covered after the fact. Nolan cared enough to realize the audience wanted something in there about the mask, but he didn't care enough to have some actual thought or exposition for it. It was basically a costume and nothing more, until they utilized the mask as the way to defeat him.

 

[Aikouka]

But it's tubing as well. Bane didn't have trouble until Batman starting hitting him right in the mask and the tubes came apart. The workings of his mask wouldn't even be such a big deal if they didn't explicitly use that as the way he was defeated. They made damn sure you saw the tubes in his mask pop off as Batman kept hitting him, then he slowed down and was eventually beaten. Then they showed Talia fix his mask and he perked back up. So... what the hell is going on in there that's the difference between not being able to stand and being able to trounce Batman? "Holding back the pain" is not an explanation, it's a one sentence brush off so Nolan could check off "talk about mask" on his to-do list.

At least from what I gathered, he's in constant pain without that mask on. Chances are the mask also makes him a lot stronger, because if it's able to mask the pain from the injuries he suffered in the prison... wouldn't it also be able to help alleviate pain from fighting? Kind of like how Kick-Ass can't feel (most) pain... for a different reason of course.

 

[NFS4]

going to watch Batman (1989) again.

Still my favorite movie of all time

 

[Sonikku]

WTF was Superman doing during these 5 months? You'd think an entire city being held hostage for half a year by threat of atom bomb would be the kind of thing he hears about.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

WTF was Superman doing during these 5 months? You'd think an entire city being held hostage for half a year by threat of atom bomb would be the kind of thing he hears about.

I was about to say I about to say I was getting tired of your shtick... but then you totally redeemed yourself!

 

[Bateluer]

WTF was Superman doing during these 5 months? You'd think an entire city being held hostage for half a year by threat of atom bomb would be the kind of thing he hears about.

DC based movies don't have the same connections to each other the way Marvel's Avengers franchise built.

 

[Printer Bandit]

Still my favorite movie of all time

despite the dated special effects in some of the scenes, it's still a solid movie that's held up over the years.

 

[Imported]

Saw it last night and was pretty happy with it. For those mentioning the 6-mile radius of the bomb, I thought that was only at its peak and not after the decay? Or did I miss something?

 

[Ns1]

DC based movies don't have the same connections to each other the way Marvel's Avengers franchise built.

...yet

 

[Fenixgoon]

WTF was Superman doing during these 5 months? You'd think an entire city being held hostage for half a year by threat of atom bomb would be the kind of thing he hears about.

superman is too busy being the lamest, biggest pussy of a superhero ever.


booooooooooooring! </homer simpson>

 

[Bateluer]

...yet

Man, I'd love to see a good Superman-Batman crossover.

 

[Zeze]

Just got back. I think the trilogy spreads itself thinner in sequence.

Batman Begins > The Dark Knight > The Dark Knight Rises.

BB had the most tight cohesive plot and satisfying ending.

TDK had some lame plot devices (sonar on everyone's cell and map out the city 3D in real time, and get facial recognition of Joker out of millions? Really?)

DKR is the worst offender. A prolonged national security event involving an atomic bomb and president just says, oh wells? All the police blindly pigeon hole themselves? What happened to Bruce's cripple at the end of the movie? How come Batman could suddenly beat up Bane on their second encounter? Nothing significant redemption happened that could indicate Batman out-brawl Bane suddenly.

 

[gorcorps]

At least from what I gathered, he's in constant pain without that mask on. Chances are the mask also makes him a lot stronger, because if it's able to mask the pain from the injuries he suffered in the prison... wouldn't it also be able to help alleviate pain from fighting? Kind of like how Kick-Ass can't feel (most) pain... for a different reason of course.

That doesn't help... HOW does it alleviate pain? It doesn't look like there's canisters of shit that's helping. It looks like it's just recirculating air for no real reason. I'm all for suspending disbelief in super hero movies, but this is supposed to be a bit more grounded in reality.

Eh...doesn't matter. His mask is fucking magic and that's all we need to know.

 

[Zeze]

I WANT FEEDBACK ON MY REPLY. dasdf

 

[TecHNooB]

Just got back. I think the trilogy spreads itself thinner in sequence.

Batman Begins > The Dark Knight > The Dark Knight Rises.

BB had the most tight cohesive plot and satisfying ending.

TDK had some lame plot devices (sonar on everyone's cell and map out the city 3D in real time, and get facial recognition of Joker out of millions? Really?)

DKR is the worst offender. A prolonged national security event involving an atomic bomb and president just says, oh wells? All the police blindly pigeon hole themselves? What happened to Bruce's cripple at the end of the movie? How come Batman could suddenly beat up Bane on their second encounter? Nothing significant redemption happened that could indicate Batman out-brawl Bane suddenly.

fantabulous

 

[Aikouka]

That doesn't help... HOW does it alleviate pain? It doesn't look like there's canisters of shit that's helping. It looks like it's just recirculating air for no real reason. I'm all for suspending disbelief in super hero movies, but this is supposed to be a bit more grounded in reality.

Eh...doesn't matter. His mask is fucking magic and that's all we need to know.

I'm guessing that the gas alleviates pain, but I have no idea what it is. Also, it's not easy to answer because we have no idea what actually happened to him. All we know is he got the crap beat out of him after saving Talia.

 

[Imported]

Just got back. I think the trilogy spreads itself thinner in sequence.

Batman Begins > The Dark Knight > The Dark Knight Rises.

BB had the most tight cohesive plot and satisfying ending.

TDK had some lame plot devices (sonar on everyone's cell and map out the city 3D in real time, and get facial recognition of Joker out of millions? Really?)

DKR is the worst offender. A prolonged national security event involving an atomic bomb and president just says, oh wells? All the police blindly pigeon hole themselves? What happened to Bruce's cripple at the end of the movie? How come Batman could suddenly beat up Bane on their second encounter? Nothing significant redemption happened that could indicate Batman out-brawl Bane suddenly.

I thought it was more due to Batman targeting the mask more to induce more pain on Bane.

 

[Skel]

That doesn't help... HOW does it alleviate pain? It doesn't look like there's canisters of shit that's helping. It looks like it's just recirculating air for no real reason. I'm all for suspending disbelief in super hero movies, but this is supposed to be a bit more grounded in reality.

Eh...doesn't matter. His mask is fucking magic and that's all we need to know.

That was something I just didn't get.. in the comics (and I normally don't bring up two mediums as I get the separation) Bane wore a device in his mask that pumped "Venom" a super steroid. That would have worked here, as it would have both explained how Bane was able to beat Bats and then how Bats took this spinach away winning the fight. Instead we get a "it holds his pain back" without explaining anything.. which is stupid. It turned the thing into a 80s fight movie.. hell I kept expecting Bats to start making the VanDamm face when they fought at the end.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Just got back. I think the trilogy spreads itself thinner in sequence.

Batman Begins > The Dark Knight > The Dark Knight Rises.

BB had the most tight cohesive plot and satisfying ending.

TDK had some lame plot devices (sonar on everyone's cell and map out the city 3D in real time, and get facial recognition of Joker out of millions? Really?)

DKR is the worst offender. A prolonged national security event involving an atomic bomb and president just says, oh wells? All the police blindly pigeon hole themselves? What happened to Bruce's cripple at the end of the movie? How come Batman could suddenly beat up Bane on their second encounter? Nothing significant redemption happened that could indicate Batman out-brawl Bane suddenly.

I saw both BB and TDK in the theater, and then saw bits of each on cable for years. I always thought I preferred BB, largely for the reasons you have mentioned. In anticipation of TDKR I watched both of the first two movies again and felt TDK was far superior to BB. I still like BB but in retrospect the script feels tired and a little hackneyed in places.

I do agree that TDKR was the worst of the three movies by some margin, but in part because it was reviving the same plotlines as the first one, in a way I found unsatisfying. Very much like the relationship between Return of the Jedi and Star Wars in that respect.

 

[Zeze]

I thought it was more due to Batman targeting the mask more to induce more pain on Bane.

I wish when my vertebrae is crushed out of alignment, I don't suffer from paralysis or instead death and heal within weeks.

 

[Imported]

I wish when my vertebrae is crushed out of alignment, I don't suffer from paralysis or instead death and heal within weeks.

Ditto.