The Dark Knight Rises: Offical Review Thread (Spoilers). $162MM Weekend

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Anubis

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They said 6 miles, but the way they phrased it (everything in 6 miles will be dead) made it sound like a diameter more than a radius, so I was assuming a radius of 3 miles. However, the timer is clearly below one minute before the Batwing even leaves the city, and the blast radius doesn't come within 10 miles of the city. It also never shows the Batwing plunging into the ocean, although that would certainly reduce the blast radius. But for comparison sake, here's a nuke detonated underwater from 3 miles back:



That's a whole hell of a lot bigger than what the people were looking at in The Dark Knight Rises. And keep in mind that when a nuclear bomb is detonated under water, there is no mushroom cloud, just a plume of water vapor which descends after a few moments like a geyser. The Dark Knight Rises showed a clear mushroom cloud of smoke and flame which is not consistent with an underwater detonation, so I'm guessing the intent was that the bomb went off above the water. So he still managed to get it at least 10 miles in less than a minute. And he had to program the autopilot, unless he had been counting on the "fly a nuke out to sea scenario" from the get-go, which is plausible given what he knew. Certainly more plausible than lots of things in the film... But it's Batman so who cares?

crossroads (baker) was only 23 kilotons, the one in batman was 4 mega tons, pretty massive difference there

however about the auto pilot crap, the shot of him looking at the horizon does not have to be chronologically directly before it goes off. blah blah blah suspension of believe blah blha blah

they should have said Mr Grayson - not really sure how that one got past the editing floor

most other issues have already been pointed out but overall its a good movie
 

lokiju

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May 29, 2003
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Saw it this past weekend (3 week out) and the theater was PACKED not a free seat in the place, glad my wife and I got there an hour early and were first in line

I kept my expectations at bay prior to seeing it and also avoided all discussions and trailers about it as much as I could in order to not set any sort of expectations. The end result was a highly enjoyable movie that wound up wrapping up the franchise on a high note and was highly enjoyed.

The most "cringe" moment of the movie that took me out of my suspension of belief a bit was when Miranda suddenly kissed Bruce while he's looking at the photo of Rachel. Felt clearly not natural and forced and I suppose that was in the end the case since we find out her true intentions.

That and the moment he gave her control both had me screaming in my head that she wasn't to be trusted but I never would've guessed who she actually was.

Also was a bit disappointed by Bane's death. Was so sudden and uneventful, not even showing him lying there dead for a moment or anything.

Kind of like how quickly Two Face was killed off in TDK. Such a build up but then no real impact of the death of such a villain.

It also weakened Bane's unfailing nature to find out he was basically a friendzoned puppy to Miranda but I'll just let that one go.

All in all though I think that JGL was good in the movie and he's really been showing some promise in recent years, I think there was a little sense of fatigue beyond the intended in that the actors were probably worn down by these over the top demanding movies and as a result some of the crispness and polish of TDK was missing, though it wasn't much.

I know others felt like Catwoman didn't get enough story/time but for me I thought it was just enough, there was enough going on as it was and I don't think spending any more time on her would of been right for this movie. I did think that Ann Hathaway was a good pick in the end and like most was initially questioning the casting choice but always have faith in Christopher Nolan to know what he's doing in that department.

I'll reserve giving a final comparisons rating between the other two movies until I've bought it on Bluray and re-watched it again. My initial feelings on TDK were that I didn't care for it as much as the fist movie but after rewatching it a few times since, it has really grown on me and I love it just as much if not more.

I'm sure the same will be true for this, though I really couldn't of hoped or asked for more.

Sure there are questions about how did he get the bomb out to sea and not be blasted with it. But I can allow suspension of belief for that.

I don't think the whole Robin thing at the end was needed but doesn't matter since there's not pathway for Nolan to do anything with that if he's being true to his word that he will not be making anymore of these.

As a side note, I have to say I was very surprised to see the Superman trailer before this movie.

I had only read about who was possibly going to be involved with making it and didn't expect to see a trailer for it already.

I have such high hopes that they can pull off the same level of what Nolan has done with Batman for Superman, it really deserves it.
 

yllus

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Aug 20, 2000
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Nolan's worst movie by a long shot, which in normal director terms means it's an average movie. Disappointing.
 

dr150

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Sep 18, 2003
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Movie was ok. Above average.

The hype is too extreme for Nolan's movies.

Considering how many shit movies are made, standards are so low, that cranking out a decent movie these days makes you a GOD.
 

gorcorps

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Jul 18, 2004
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Why do people keep saying Bane was friend zoned? He seemed quite older than her when they were in the pit, so I got more of a father type vibe from it.
 

dr150

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Why do people keep saying Bane was friend zoned? He seemed quite older than her when they were in the pit, so I got more of a father type vibe from it.

There was a Master Blaster vibe going on.

The girl was the midget.
 

zinfamous

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Some good goofs noted here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1345836/trivia?tab=gf

Great movie, I liked it.

I didn't see this in that list, but I noticed in the final chase scene with the lovely Marion Cotilard (I have already forgotten the character name) where she is driving the truck with the bomb, she is randomly shown driving the truck (which already has a driver that previously picked her up), then a few shots later, it is shown that the original driver is driving, then she knocks him out of the way (or he got shot), then she takes over driving.
 

zinfamous

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I won't be surprised if they make another movie, but if they do, I will be disappointed. Money trumps all it seems. I wish they would have made a great third movie and ended it at that. Even the way TDKR ended at the very end (the final scene) hints at a sequel at some point. It wasn't very "epic" for an ending to a trilogy. I'm just disappointed overall.

Honestly, I'm pretty satisfied with the ending, especially after re-watching BB the other night. The central arc of the story, and the purpose of Batman--is that anyone can be Batman. Wayne only became Batman because he felt he was the only one that could, and he felt that it was the only option for Gothan. BB is rather littered with some heavy-handed justice-based philosophy, and the central theme is that Batman is merely a symbol--the individual doesn't matter.

The end with Robin, while being part of the general storyline of Batman, is also central to the story of Nolan's trilogy. I thought it was how the story was always supposed to end. Oftentimes, grand, drawn-out endings tying together all the ends can be both unnecessary or even damaging. I don't see why this trilogy needed an LotR-type ending. A simple message of "hope" is all that they were aiming for.
 

JEDI

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Sep 25, 2001
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what happened to bruce wayne's leg?
if bane was going to let the bomb explode anyway, why wait 5 months?

what a horrible depiction of the Lazurous pit.
and how hard would it be to make climbing spikes?!

WTF the wayne mansion converted to an orphanage? gee.. how soon b4 some noisey little snot nose finds the secret batcave?

oh.. wait.. tim drake, the new robin? (w/the guy inheiting the batcave = nitewing and trains tim?)
next up, teen titans trilogy? Starfire and Raven.. Yum


Wished there were more scenes of Catwomans flexibility.
she can do the split in real life
 
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MonKENy

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what happened to bruce wayne's leg?
if bane was going to let the bomb explode anyway, why wait 5 months?

what a horrible depiction of the Lazurous pit.
and how hard would it be to make climbing spikes?!

WTF the wayne mansion converted to an orphanage? gee.. how soon b4 some noisey little snot nose finds the secret batcave?

oh.. wait.. tim drake, the new robin? (w/the guy inheiting the batcave = nitewing and trains tim?)
next up, teen titans trilogy? Starfire and Raven.. Yum


Wished there were more scenes of Catwomans flexibility.
she can do the split in real life

Supposedly they wanted to not just destroy gotham but break its spirits as well as bruces. Bane didnt expect bruce to get out of the prison (still dont think its the lazarus pit unless I missed something) He wanted bruce to watch his city break.

I think the orphange was left to alfred so its going to be maintained by him and Blake (nightwing by the color of his jacket at the end)

as far as peoples issues with the bomb. A fusion bomb is much less radio active than a reg nuke. Thats why its the holy grail. Its a clean easily renewable (if they ever do it) enegry source. I have a few theories on the ending

1. Since its decaying and Fox cant vouch for specific times he could be off a bit on time.

2. since its decaying the overall strength would be less than detonating at full strength

about his death

He faked it for the sake of the people beside Alfred and Catwoman, Even blake thinks hes dead. BUT His legend is just that a Legend. He even says in the movie that anyone can be the batman. Thats why he wears a costume aside from protecting friends/loved ones.

As a man he can be destroyed but as a symbol he can be more.

I think Blake goes on to take up the Bat in this scenario and not as robin or whatever. I agree they should have used one of the robins real names but whatever.

And last about another film

Nolan has already said he will not be doing another batman film. Hes told the story he wants to tell and is moving on (hes one of the directors for The man of Steel) and warner bros has also released a statement that they are going to again reboot Batman (gag)

So I dont expect anything else in this batman universe to be made. I doubt Bale or Caine will reprise the roles w/out nolan.

Im ok with 90% of the movie the few things that catch on me are at the beginning wtf were dirtbikes coming out of the stock exchange for? and I hate hate hate the Bat vehicles. Esp the batpod. To me the batpod movement is full BS, I can at least buy the others to a degree but the way that damn thing rolls is crap.
 

gorcorps

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Nolan has already said he will not be doing another batman film. Hes told the story he wants to tell and is moving on (hes one of the directors for The man of Steel) and warner bros has also released a statement that they are going to again reboot Batman (gag)

To be more accurate, he's producing (not directing) Man of Steel.
 

Ns1

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warner bros has also released a statement that they are going to again reboot Batman (gag)

link to statement please, I find this hard to believe.

not seeing it on any reputable site.

//edit

However, knowing that they are going to try a Justice League series, I can totally see a reboot happening as WB tries to do what Marvel/Avengers did.
 
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MonKENy

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also I dont like that blake is taking over for the fact that he has no real training that we know of. I mean he can fight but can he do well enough to be batman?
 

videogames101

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I felt like I could have skipped the first half of the film and not missed a thing. None of the characters felt real, most of the scenes were disconnected, and most importantly I felt no emotional connection to any the events. Not to mention the plot holes...

I think the reason I liked the Dark Knight so much was solely because of Ledger's performance, I would have been just as disappointed with TDK as with TDKR if he hadn't played the part so phenomenally.

Ledger's Joker > Batman Begins > The Dark Knight > The Dark Knight Rises
 

SandEagle

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finally saw it last night. not as good as TDK, but a decent flick overall. some things:

-anne hathway: not really a fan of her, but she was smokin in this movie
-batman voice still sucks
-bain voice = lolwtf
-batwing sucked
-not enough batman screen time
-movie too long
-figured blake out right away; kinda cool twists i guess
-what's up with the alfred cafe scene at the end? is it just his imagination or is he really gone?

overall 7/10
 

SKORPI0

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-what's up with the Alfred cafe scene at the end? Is it just his imagination or is he really gone?

overall 7/10

From the novelization....
http://www.amazon.com/The-Dark-Knigh.../dp/1781161062

(quoted only the significant parts)
Chapter 4

Remember when you left Gotham?” Alfred persisted. “Before all this. Before Batman. Seven years you were gone. Seven years I waited, hoping that you wouldn’t come back.”
Bruce looked up in surprise. Confusion showed upon his face.
“Every year I took my holiday,” Alfred said, trying to explain. “I’d go to Florence. There’s a cafe by the Arno. Any fine evening I would sit there and order a Fernet-Branca. I had a fantasy I indulged in often. I liked to imagine that one day I’d look across the tables and see you. Sitting there with your wife, perhaps some children. You wouldn’t say anything to me, but we’d both know—that you’d made it. That you were happy.”
A poignant memory surfaced briefly. There had been a time, Alfred recalled, when he had spotted a happy couple a few tables away and—just for a moment or two—he had truly thought that the man might be Bruce, at large and at peace. But then the man had turned toward him, revealing the face of a stranger.
He vividly recalled the bitter disappointment he had felt at that moment.
“I never wanted you to come back to Gotham,” he confessed. “I knew there was nothing here for you but pain and tragedy. And I wanted more for you than that.” He paused to let his heartfelt word sink in. “I still do.”
There was nothing more to say. He turned and quietly left the cave, leaving Bruce alone with his obsessions—and the ceaseless rustling of the bats.

Chapter 47

It was evening in Florence, Italy. A newspaper under his arm, Alfred strolled down to his favorite cafe. He sat down at his usual table.
“Seulement?” the waiter asked.
“Oui,” Alfred answered. “Fernet-Branca, s’il vous plait.” He settled in for another quiet evening by the Arno.
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Alfred sipped the drink, taking his time. Sparkling laughter and conversation drew his attention to a young couple seated one table over. A recurring fantasy tugged painfully at his heart, and he couldn’t resist peeking at their faces.
They were strangers, of course.
They always were.
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Alfred finished his drink. He folded his paper and took out his wallet. A familiar sense of melancholy came over him as he faced another long night of guilt and regret. Happier people laughed a few tables over. Bracing himself for yet another painful disappointment, he glanced over at an attractive couple—who were not strangers at all.
Bruce smiled at Alfred, looking more relaxed and at peace than the old man would have thought possible.
After a moment, Alfred nodded back at him, knowing that nothing more needed to be said. Bruce turned back to his companion, a lovely young brunette wearing an exquisite pearl necklace. She bore a distinct resemblance to a certain light-fingered maid Alfred had briefly encountered once before.
Selina, I think.
He paid his bill, leaving the waiter a generous tip, and departed with a spring in his step. But he didn’t look back.
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