The Deadly Opposition to GMO Food

nehalem256

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Finally, after a 12-year delay caused by opponents of genetically modified foods, so-called “golden rice” with vitamin A will be grown in the Philippines. Over those 12 years, about 8 million children worldwide died from vitamin A deficiency. Are anti-GM advocates not partly responsible?

Golden rice is the most prominent example in the global controversy over GM foods, which pits a technology with some risks but incredible potential against the resistance of feel-good campaigning. Three billion people depend on rice as their staple food, with 10 percent at risk for vitamin A deficiency, which, according to the World Health Organization, causes 250,000 to 500,000 children to go blind each year. Of these, half die within a year. A study from the British medical journal the Lancet estimates that, in total, vitamin A deficiency kills 668,000 children under the age of 5 each year.

Yet, despite the cost in human lives, anti-GM campaigners—from Greenpeace to Naomi Klein—have derided efforts to use golden rice to avoid vitamin A deficiency. In India, Vandana Shiva, an environmental activist and adviser to the government, called golden rice “a hoax” that is “creating hunger and malnutrition, not solving it.”

The New York Times Magazine reported in 2001 that one would need to “eat 15 pounds of cooked golden rice a day” to get enough vitamin A. What was an exaggeration then is demonstrably wrong now. Two recent studies in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition show that just 50 grams (roughly two ounces) of golden rice can provide 60 percent of the recommended daily intake of vitamin A. They show that golden rice is even better than spinach in providing vitamin A to children.

Opponents maintain that there are better ways to deal with vitamin A deficiency. In its latest statement, Greenpeace says that golden rice is “neither needed nor necessary,” and calls instead for supplementation and fortification, which are described as “cost-effective.”

To be sure, handing out vitamin pills or adding vitamin A to staple products can make a difference. But it is not a sustainable solution to vitamin A deficiency. And, while it is cost-effective, recent published estimates indicate that golden rice is much more so.

Supplementation programs costs $4,300 for every life they save in India, whereas fortification programs cost about $2,700 for each life saved. Both are great deals. But golden rice would cost just $100 for every life saved from vitamin A deficiency.

Similarly, it is argued that golden rice will not be adopted, because most Asians eschew brown rice. But brown rice is substantially different in taste and spoils easily in hot climates. Moreover, many Asian dishes are already colored yellow with saffron, annatto, achiote, and turmeric. The people, not Greenpeace, should decide whether they will adopt vitamin A-rich rice for themselves and their children.

Most ironic is the self-fulfilling critique that many activists now use. Greenpeace calls golden rice a “failure,” because it “has been in development for almost 20 years and has still not made any impact on the prevalence of vitamin A deficiency.” But, as Ingo Potrykus, the scientist who developed golden rice, has made clear, that failure is due almost entirely to relentless opposition to GM foods—often by rich, well-meaning Westerners far removed from the risks of actual vitamin A deficiency.

Regulation of goods and services for public health clearly is a good idea; but it must always be balanced against potential costs—in this case, the cost of not providing more vitamin A to 8 million children during the past 12 years.

As an illustration, current regulations for GM foods, if applied to non-GM products, would ban the sale of potatoes and tomatoes, which can contain poisonous glycoalkaloids; celery, which contains carcinogenic psoralens; rhubarb and spinach (oxalic acid); and cassava, which feeds about 500 million people but contains toxic cyanogenic alkaloids. Foodstuffs like soy, wheat, milk, eggs, mollusks, crustaceans, fish, sesame, nuts, peanuts, and kiwi would likewise be banned, because they can cause food allergies.

Here it is worth noting that there have been no documented human health effects from GM foods. But many campaigners have claimed other effects. A common story, still repeated by Shiva, is that GM corn with Bt toxin kills Monarch butterflies. Several peer-reviewed studies, however, have effectively established that “the impact of Bt corn pollen from current commercial hybrids on monarch butterfly populations is negligible.”

Greenpeace and many others claim that GM foods merely enable big companies like Monsanto to wield near-monopoly power. But that puts the cart before the horse: The predominance of big companies partly reflects anti-GM activism, which has made the approval process so long and costly that only rich companies catering to First World farmers can afford to see it through.

Finally, it is often claimed that GM crops simply mean costlier seeds and less money for farmers. But farmers have a choice. More than 5 million cotton farmers in India have flocked to GM cotton, because it yields higher net incomes. Yes, the seeds are more expensive, but the rise in production offsets the additional cost.

Of course, no technology is without flaws, so regulatory oversight is useful. But it is worth maintaining some perspective. In 2010, the European Commission, after considering 25 years of GMO research, concluded that “there is, as of today, no scientific evidence associating GMOs with higher risks for the environment or for food and feed safety than conventional plants and organisms.”

Now, finally, golden rice will come to the Philippines; after that, it is expected in Bangladesh and Indonesia. But, for 8 million kids, the wait was too long.

True to form, Greenpeace is already protesting that “the next ‘golden rice’ guinea pigs might be Filipino children.” The 4.4 million Filipino kids with vitamin A deficiency might not mind so much.
http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...m_vitamin_a_deficiency.html?wpisrc=most_viral

I find things like this to be awesome.

It is a shame that environmentalists are putting irrational fears in the way of progress.
 

cwjerome

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Some environmentalists/luddites/paranoids are slowly coming around to reason. Soon the world will be growing more crops and healthier crops on less water, land, fertilizers, and pesticides. The agricultural breakthroughs in seed and technology in the 20th century will continue forward with GMO, benefiting man and the earth.
 

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If you are too dumb to understand GMO food crops than you are probably against it.

I wish I was more GMO'ed, so I would resist fungal attack, not need water or food.
 

Moonbeam

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If you are too dumb to understand GMO food crops than you are probably against it.

I wish I was more GMO'ed, so I would resist fungal attack, not need water or food.

That's an easy one. You just need the cactus genes for a waxy skin protective, and chlorophyll in your skin. The problems associated with higher level cognition, insight, inspiration, and ego death on a genetic level are proving much more difficult to incorporate as viral agents that alter human DNA.
 

bononos

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Some environmentalists/luddites/paranoids are slowly coming around to reason. Soon the world will be growing more crops and healthier crops on less water, land, fertilizers, and pesticides. The agricultural breakthroughs in seed and technology in the 20th century will continue forward with GMO, benefiting man and the earth.

You don't need to be some luddite to oppose GMOs. The technology is new and unproven, theres no good studies that support the notion that GMO foods are totally safe. Instead the GMO industry has managed to put the onus on detractors to come up with evidence that GMOs are unsafe instead of the other way around. The article sounds like a hack job from the industry.
 

nehalem256

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You don't need to be some luddite to oppose GMOs. The technology is new and unproven, theres no good studies that support the notion that GMO foods are totally safe. Instead the GMO industry has managed to put the onus on detractors to come up with evidence that GMOs are unsafe instead of the other way around. The article sounds like a hack job from the industry.

Because there is no good reason to expect GMO foods to be any more unsafe than new crops created through hybridization other than irrational fear.

But please explain the mechanism through which a GMO food would be dangerous
 

bononos

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Because its not 'hybridization' in the same way you wouldn't expect genes from a spider to be inserted into a tomato vs animals mating or grafting on a plant. Like I said, I really have no idea since the science of GMO has made it such that the industry doesn't have to do squat to prove that their products are safe instead of the other way around. In terms of real evidence, all we have is the starlink controversy where the manufacturer yanked the product out of the market and refused to do any furthur research into the matter despite severe allergy symptoms from the sufferers. And we've got an epidemic of food allergies (eg peanuts) but have no way of conclusively linking it with GMOs because of labelling laws.
 

nehalem256

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Because its not 'hybridization' in the same way you wouldn't expect genes from a spider to be inserted into a tomato vs animals mating or grafting on a plant.

And we should expect this to be more dangerous why? Is the spider gene going to ungraft itself from the plant DNA when we eat it and then combine with our DNA to turn us into Spiderman?

Like I said, I really have no idea since the science of GMO has made it such that the industry doesn't have to do squat to prove that their products are safe instead of the other way around.

If I create a new form of apple through hybridization do I have to prove it is safe?

Perhaps if identified some mechanism through which the GMO crops would be harmful it would be easier to test?

In terms of real evidence, all we have is the starlink controversy where the manufacturer yanked the product out of the market and refused to do any furthur research into the matter despite severe allergy symptoms from the sufferers. And we've got an epidemic of food allergies (eg peanuts) but have no way of conclusively linking it with GMOs because of labelling laws.

Is there some reason to believe people are not allergic to non-GMO foods?

There are GMO peanuts?
 

Texashiker

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I find things like this to be awesome.

It is a shame that environmentalists are putting irrational fears in the way of progress.

Developing GMO rice with vitamin A does not address the root issue. Which is why do people not have access to a balanced diet?

Instead of empowering the people, we are forcing people to eat a monopoly controlled food.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Developing GMO rice with vitamin A does not address the root issue. Which is why do people not have access to a balanced diet?

Instead of empowering the people, we are forcing people to eat a monopoly controlled food.

It's so obvious you've never been outside the US and definitely not in one of the countries where rice is the primary portion of the people's diet. Have you ever thought that the soil/water content of the soil prevents them from growing other vegetables?
 

Texashiker

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I am going to go with "What is poverty? for 500"

Better that children die than Monsanto make a buck huh?

It's so obvious you've never been outside the US and definitely not in one of the countries where rice is the primary portion of the people's diet. Have you ever thought that the soil/water content of the soil prevents them from growing other vegetables?

You are right, I have never been outside the U.S.

There was an article awhile back on the BBC about a nation in Africa where the people were starving. Instead of accepting food from the united nations, the president of the nation bought seeds, fertilizer and farm equipment for the people.

The people were taught how to grow food. So much food was grown, starvation was a thing of the past, and the surplus was sold.

It took 2 years for this African nation to go from starving, to exporting corn.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7651977.stm

I will say it once again, developing GMO crops does not address the root issue.

If a nation in Africa can go from starving to exporting crops, why can't other nations do the same?

GMO seeds help with crop production, but developing GMO crops is not going to fix the root problem.
 
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bononos

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And we should expect this to be more dangerous why? Is the spider gene going to ungraft itself from the plant DNA when we eat it and then combine with our DNA to turn us into Spiderman?

If I create a new form of apple through hybridization do I have to prove it is safe?

Perhaps if identified some mechanism through which the GMO crops would be harmful it would be easier to test?

Is there some reason to believe people are not allergic to non-GMO foods?

There are GMO peanuts?
Thats the thing...we are being exposed to novel never seen before mutant spider genes in our everyday foods. And the gmo assumption that those proteins are never ever going to leak out from our gut and cause problems if any. That is now being challenged by smaller studies but the industry keeps rolling along as if there is nothing to prove.

Why should the onus of proof be on the consumer to do the science for the industry by working out the causal mechanism for possible problems? Shouldn't the gmo industry be the one to work it out instead of paying politicians to say there is no difference btwn natural and gmo products so testing is unnecessary? Why allow the starlink controversy to settle down as if no adverse effects were ever recorded?

I brought up peanut allergies to show that things aren't all good and epidemic levels of never seen before allergies to common foods is something to worry about even as the industry continues to fight mandatory labelling laws.
 

waggy

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I will say it once again, developing GMO crops does not address the root issue.

you are 100% right on that.

people need education not just given food.

whats the saying "give the man a fish he eats for the day. give the man a fishing pole he eats for life"
 

bononos

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It's so obvious you've never been outside the US and definitely not in one of the countries where rice is the primary portion of the people's diet. Have you ever thought that the soil/water content of the soil prevents them from growing other vegetables?

And its obvious that you suffer from the same problem since people in those countries don't derive their vitamin A primarily from rice. They get them from leafy greens. Which country are you talking about in your example?
 

Londo_Jowo

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You are right, I have never been outside the U.S.

There was an article awhile back on the BBC about a nation in Africa where the people were starving. Instead of accepting food from the united nations, the president of the nation bought seeds, fertilizer and farm equipment for the people.

The people were taught how to grow food. So much food was grown, starvation was a thing of the past, and the surplus was sold.

It took 2 years for this African nation to go from starving, to exporting corn.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7651977.stm

I will say it once again, developing GMO crops does not address the root issue.

If a nation in Africa can go from starving to exporting crops, why can't other nations do the same?

GMO seeds help with crop production, but developing GMO crops is not going to fix the root problem.

Yet this area was dry and received water to grow the crops through irrigation. What can you grow in wetland areas? Rice perhaps?
 

Texashiker

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you are 100% right on that.

people need education not just given food.

whats the saying "give the man a fish he eats for the day. give the man a fishing pole he eats for life"

That is exactly right.

Have you know about heifer.org? Instead of sending food aid, people who wish to donate can buy a cow, chickens, ducks, seeds,,, which will be delivered to someone in need.

If a family is living off rice, something needs to be done to address that issue.


Yet this area was dry and received water to grow the crops through irrigation. What can you grow in wetland areas? Rice perhaps?

What did people in Louisiana do 200 years ago?
 

nehalem256

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Thats the thing...we are being exposed to novel never seen before mutant spider genes in our everyday foods. And the gmo assumption that those proteins are never ever going to leak out from our gut and cause problems if any. That is now being challenged by smaller studies but the industry keeps rolling along as if there is nothing to prove.

Why should the onus of proof be on the consumer to do the science for the industry by working out the causal mechanism for possible problems? Shouldn't the gmo industry be the one to work it out instead of paying politicians to say there is no difference btwn natural and gmo products so testing is unnecessary? Why allow the starlink controversy to settle down as if no adverse effects were ever recorded?

I brought up peanut allergies to show that things aren't all good and epidemic levels of never seen before allergies to common foods is something to worry about even as the industry continues to fight mandatory labelling laws.

Its not on the consumer. It is on the irrational anti-gmo activists to do so.

There is no such thing as a "spider gene".

And you do realize that your so called "natural" corn is not really natural at all and has been tampered with by humans for 1000s of years.

EDIT: And you didnt address the question about whether peanuts are GMO or not. Kinda important if you are going to bring up peanut allergies to the discussion of the dangers of GMO.
 

Londo_Jowo

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And its obvious that you suffer from the same problem since people in those countries don't derive their vitamin A primarily from rice. They get them from leafy greens. Which country are you talking about in your example?

Obviously you are poorly educated and have never been outside large cities in South East Asia or Africa.

From the World Health Organization..

http://www.who.int/nutrition/topics/vad/en/

Vitamin A deficiency is a public health problem in more than half of all countries, especially in Africa and South-East Asia, hitting hardest young children and pregnant women in low-income countries.
 

nehalem256

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And its obvious that you suffer from the same problem since people in those countries don't derive their vitamin A primarily from rice. They get them from leafy greens. Which country are you talking about in your example?

From the article

True to form, Greenpeace is already protesting that “the next ‘golden rice’ guinea pigs might be Filipino children.” The 4.4 million Filipino kids with vitamin A deficiency might not mind so much.
 

waggy

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I'm not against GMO foods. i just want more studies done and make sure they are safe. I think growing more food with less water, pest is great.
 

Texashiker

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Obviously you are poorly educated and have never been outside large cities in South East Asia or Africa.

From the World Health Organization..

http://www.who.int/nutrition/topics/vad/en/

Its not just people living outside large cities in asia and africa that have nutrition issues.

In the 1960s Life magazine wrote an article about coal miners in Kentucky or Tennessee. Even though the people lived in a rural area, they did not work the land.

This is very common all over the world for people to work at industrial jobs, live in a rural area, and try to buy their food instead of growing food.

Either empower the people with higher wages so they can buy a wider range of food, or teach them how to grow extra food.


They received goods/foods from other areas via the Mississippi river and the sea. Were you ever taught history when you were in school?

They raised their food, planted pecan trees, ate whatever they pulled from the water, raised pigs, ate crabs, hunted,,,.

~ EDIT ~

One of the issues with a balanced diet is cultural. For a long time people would not eat potatoes, or tomatoes.

Jews and Muslims do not eat pork, Hindus do not eat beef,,,.
 
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bononos

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Its not on the consumer. It is on the irrational anti-gmo activists to do so.

There is no such thing as a "spider gene".

And you do realize that your so called "natural" corn is not really natural at all and has been tampered with by humans for 1000s of years.

EDIT: And you didnt address the question about whether peanuts are GMO or not. Kinda important if you are going to bring up peanut allergies to the discussion of the dangers of GMO.

Irrational to insert spider genes into a goat to produce silk? I didn't realize dusting corn plants with other corn plants could be construed as tampering. Inserting fish genes into tomatoes is tampering.

I have no idea if peanuts are GMO and I am not bothered to find out. Its the recent epidemic of common food allergies that should worry people about the safety of GMOs which could be the trigger.
 
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