Even though some of Hamtramck is in as bad of a state of disrepair as some of the worst places in Detroit I always felt relatively safe there. Large arabic infusion there now too. I still stop by once in a while to pick up perogies from some of the local markets.And almost all Polish whites to boot.
Pączki Day, aka Fat Tuesday ETA one month.
They should advertise that as a tourist selling point.
A Say? If we had our say, then a small nuclear weapon would be detonated in that area and take care of the mess. I'd be sorry to see the buildings go, because some of them are beautiful, but I'd trade it to get rid of the inbred inner-city welfare shitheads that now inhabit a big portion of that city.
They have continued, over 40 years, to elect the same policiticians. Primarily because of skin color, and because they have a "D" next to their name and promise handouts. Qwame Kilpatrick was only unique in that he got caught.
The city had one good mayor in the last 40 years - Dennis Archer. He walked away after seeing that the PEOPLE of the city had made it impossible to fix the problems. He had to deal with a city council that is more corrupt than any of the mayors they've had. Councilors elected over and over again despite them being immature gang-banger bred trash - again primarily because of their skin color.
At the same time, the total lack of personal responsibility on the part of the so-called families in that city is unbelievable. They had some of the most beautiful schools in the state there - multiple level affairs with glass walls over-looking double-olympic swimming pools and multi-level inside basketball courts with stadium seating. Yet the kids have been brought up in a culture of not caring and have managed to completely destroy the buildings to the point where razor wire is everywhere now and it looks like a war zone.
Blow the whole damn thing up and start over. I've lived around Detroit for 30 years - there's no saving this city as long as the same people are in control there (the inhabitants).
Another perfect example is when the state had to step in and appoint an emergency manager for the school system. It was beyond bankrupt and the administrators refused to shut down the schools that needed to be shut down. They just kept accruing debt. The city fought TOOTH AND NAIL against that financial manager, even though they continued to prove they couldn't handle it themselves. They repeatedly tried to get him out, even when he proved he knew how to manage the budgets. They had rallies because he was closing schools, and the school councils were constantly fighting to try to stop him at every turn.
They don't want to be saved. Build a wall around the city and let them kill each other off.
Umm... Without any "before" reference shots what is the point? I mean you can go to any town and take pictures of the shittiest buildings and mark it as "The Decline of Whereverville"
Wow, I didn't realize places have been abandoned there for that long. I always thought it was a recent decline, it looks like that place has been a shithole for a long time.
Can someone explain to me what 7 mile and 8 mile exactly is and why it was significant for eminent to someone who knows nothing of Detroit?
I wouldn't say it gets worse and worse, really. It's more like a huge change to bad at the 8 mile border. 11 Mile you're still Royal Oak/Madison Heights, 9 Mile is still Hazel Park. I mean, yeah the suburbs are always nicer the farther you get from the city, but I can't imagine a person feeling unsafe in those cities.I'll try to explain-
In southeast MI, there are mile roads that go east-west. There's a pretty big area near I-75 (I figure maybe you can relate because that highway goes through the US) where if you live in the subarbs near 13 mile, for example, as you go south, the area starts looking worse and worse and once you get to 8mile/ 7mile you are pretty much not going to just get out of your car to ask for directions if you're lost. I also wouldn't suggest pumping gas, although if you risk it, gas prices are way cheaper. Some people from around here will tell you Detroit is very safe and that those of us who think otherwise are wrong but the joke around here is that you don't stop at red lights in Detroit and that isn't really a joke. You can do a lot of things in Detroit and you don't have to be worried a cop is going to stop you because they're too busy with much more serious things than traffic and would probably understand anyway.
I wouldn't say it gets worse and worse, really. It's more like a huge change to bad at the 8 mile border. 11 Mile you're still Royal Oak/Madison Heights, 9 Mile is still Hazel Park. I mean, yeah the suburbs are always nicer the farther you get from the city, but I can't imagine a person feeling unsafe in those cities.
I'll try to explain-
In southeast MI, there are mile roads that go east-west. There's a pretty big area near I-75 (I figure maybe you can relate because that highway goes through the US) where if you live in the subarbs near 13 mile, for example, as you go south, the area starts looking worse and worse and once you get to 8mile/ 7mile you are pretty much not going to just get out of your car to ask for directions if you're lost. I also wouldn't suggest pumping gas, although if you risk it, gas prices are way cheaper. Some people from around here will tell you Detroit is very safe and that those of us who think otherwise are wrong but the joke around here is that you don't stop at red lights in Detroit and that isn't really a joke. You can do a lot of things in Detroit and you don't have to be worried a cop is going to stop you because they're too busy with much more serious things than traffic and would probably understand anyway.
I wouldn't say it gets worse and worse, really. It's more like a huge change to bad at the 8 mile border. 11 Mile you're still Royal Oak/Madison Heights, 9 Mile is still Hazel Park. I mean, yeah the suburbs are always nicer the farther you get from the city, but I can't imagine a person feeling unsafe in those cities.
By the way, I've not seen an American city in modern times that seems to have as powerful racial tensions as Detroit has today. Even on this board, there's a very strong attitude amongst white people that black's on the dole bankrupted the city, and amongst black people that white people created the problem in Detroit.
so which is the troof?
Going down there at night with no cops and no festival going on is like homeless people heaven. Tons of them are there just sleeping in a nice "warm" corner.You're out of your mind going anywhere near the train station unless you're stopping in Mexican Town for a meal.
You're joking about Hart Plaza, right? I've always felt pretty safe downtown.
Go to taggers alley and you see tons of art there. I say art because some nice pieces are there.Wow, I didn't realize places have been abandoned there for that long. I always thought it was a recent decline, it looks like that place has been a shithole for a long time.
I'm surprised there isn't more graffiti.
It's nicer than say Lincoln Park but trailer park trash is in that area as well.I wouldn't say it gets worse and worse, really. It's more like a huge change to bad at the 8 mile border. 11 Mile you're still Royal Oak/Madison Heights, 9 Mile is still Hazel Park. I mean, yeah the suburbs are always nicer the farther you get from the city, but I can't imagine a person feeling unsafe in those cities.
Oh I cannot wait, 1 pound of heavenly awesomeness. :awe:And almost all Polish whites to boot.
Pączki Day, aka Fat Tuesday ETA one month.
They should advertise that as a tourist selling point.
Like all social problems, the truth is somewhere in the middle of the two sides. Neither side is completely as fault, but neither side is blameless, either.
Of course, until both sides admit this and agree to work to resolve the problem without arguing about blame, nothing will get solved.
MotionMan
Don't be dissing my Lincoln Park, that's where I grew up.It's nicer than say Lincoln Park but trailer park trash is in that area as well.
I was there about 10 or 11 years ago working for SBC on a short term project. It was weird seeing blocks and blocks of abandoned homes. And when I say blocks of abandoned homes I mean that in a literal sense. There were some streets that were roped and blocked off, every last home on those type of streets were either abandoned or burned out. It was eerie, downtown wasn't much better. The streets and buildings were filthy, trash was blowing everywhere. I can only imagine with the economy the way it is now that things are even worse there. That's a real life example of a dying city.
Sad, but those pictures are the same story of so many cities. My parenst often talk about how beautiful the city of Camden was. But its just hard to fathom when you ride through it.