The Democratic Party's Middle America Heartland Problem

[GettyRoad]

The facts are the facts. Period.

Republican nationalist Donald Trump won the American heartland. Forget that he lost the popular vote.

America does not count the popular vote.

The Electoral College and the County Map matters.

The facts are the facts.

Donald Trump won the heartland.

Barack Obama won the heartland in '08 and '12 against weak GOP candidates McCain and Romney.


Democrats have a heartland problem. They lack a economic message. Social issues are important, yes, but BLM, etc. doesn't move the needle.

Economics, jobs.

If Democrats are smart, they will campaign in OH, MO, KY, TN, FL, MN, GA, etc. (The heartland).

Yes, rural areas are losing population, but working class people in the heartland want to hear a economic message. Period.

https://brilliantmaps.com/2016-county-election-map/

 

[umbrella39]

The facts are the GOP got their ass kicked in the midterms in the heartland because of Trump.

Two good working keyboards in the basement now. This is cause for celebrationsky...

EDIT: I didn't see your list of "heartland" States earlier... Very subjective....

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

The facts are the GOP got their ass kicked in the midterms in the heartland because of Trump.

Two good working keyboards in the basement now. This is cause for celebrationsky...

That's only something that has happened in every single midterm for as long as anyone alive has ever known.

But keep dancing around like it's something unique because EVERY1 H8TES TEH TRUMP!!!"1one!1

 

[umbrella39]

Funny how that fact is always disavowed when Democrats are the ones winning or that the GOP got killed in areas that Trump won handily and traditionally always GOP... LMAOsky...

That's a funny dance indeed, one usually done with a lot of squat work split jumps...

I'd hate America and Americans, too... ZFG though...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Dems only need PA and Michigan and Trump is dead in the water. Both states aren't looking great for him compared to 2016. As things sit the Republicans are likely to retain Senate control but with a slimmer margin. Of course, the House wasn't supposed to look like it does now, and Trump's policies that Republicans signed onto are what hurt the heartland. Trade wars are killing markets farmers depend on. Will they realize and act on it? My sense is that many would slit their throats (and economically are doing just that) than not support Trump.

Bottom line is that to win the Presidency the states you list don't matter as much as you suggest. Everything being as it was in 2016, just the two states I named does it and gerrymandering and vote suppression aren't going to be as easy as it was then. Y

 

[Vic]

Fun fact: the population in the blue areas of that map exceeds the population in all of the red areas.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

That's only something that has happened in every single midterm for as long as anyone alive has ever known.

But keep dancing around like it's something unique because EVERY1 H8TES TEH TRUMP!!!"1one!1

Keep dancing around like your Trumpster isn't on fire aka largest midterm victory margin since Nixon. Trumps core isn't enough to get him re-elected, assuming he stays out of jail. OP is delusional.

Also - https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

Nobody's fooled anymore who isn't white, Christian, uneducated, and xenophobic...and typically older.

 

[umbrella39]

Stop bringing facts into a concern troll thread. The GOP needs to worry about themselves and THEIR own message and stop sending fools with funny keyboards to do their bidding...

 

[fskimospy]

Where on earth did you get your definition of ‘the heartland’, especially one that includes fucking Florida of all places.

 

[fskimospy]

That's only something that has happened in every single midterm for as long as anyone alive has ever known.

But keep dancing around like it's something unique because EVERY1 H8TES TEH TRUMP!!!"1one!1

Democrats won the vote by the largest margin in midterm history. So no, that hasn’t happened in every midterm. This was a total annihilation.

Even worse for conservatives, midterm victories usually come because of good turnout for the party out of power and bad turnout for the president’s party. That wasn’t the case here - turnout was very high for both. That means conservatives can’t console themselves with the idea of better turnout in 2020.

If conservatives want to convince themselves that 2018 was a normal midterm by all means go ahead! I hope they ignore all the alarms flashing red just like they did last November. Look what that got them.

 

[GettyRoad]

Fun fact: the population in the blue areas of that map exceeds the population in all of the red areas.

It doesn't matter. The red areas feed you. Without them, you'd have no milk.

Yes, blue areas have more population, but red areas have more heartland work ethic.

I'm an Independent and I know this.

Yes, Democrats won the House in 2018, but they still have heartland problems. Talk about jobs, healthcare, etc.

 

[GettyRoad]

Keep dancing around like your Trumpster isn't on fire aka largest midterm victory margin since Nixon. Trumps core isn't enough to get him re-elected, assuming he stays out of jail. OP is delusional.

Also - https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

Nobody's fooled anymore who isn't white, Christian, uneducated, and xenophobic...and typically older.

I'm not delusional. Wake me up when Democrats campaign in Missouri, Indiana, Ohio, the heartland.

 

[fskimospy]

It doesn't matter. The red areas feed you. Without them, you'd have no milk.

Yes, blue areas have more population, but red areas have more heartland work ethic.

I'm an Independent and I know this.

Yes, Democrats won the House in 2018, but they still have heartland problems. Talk about jobs, healthcare, etc.

If red areas have that heartland work ethic why is their GDP so much lower than blue areas and why do they have so much trouble attracting competitive industries?

Most foods are global commodities, btw. The coasts could just as easily buy it from someone else.

 

[brycejones]

Another “independent” concern troll.

 

[Vic]

It doesn't matter. The red areas feed you. Without them, you'd have no milk.

Yes, blue areas have more population, but red areas have more heartland work ethic.

I'm an Independent and I know this.

Yes, Democrats won the House in 2018, but they still have heartland problems. Talk about jobs, healthcare, etc.

Well, using this logic, without the blue areas, you wouldn't have that computer/device you're posting from.

 

[fskimospy]

What I would love to see is a Very Concerned Think Piece about how Republicans need to come to the cities and win them over.

 

[GettyRoad]

Well, using this logic, without the blue areas, you wouldn't have that computer/device you're posting from.

True. Red and blue need each other. Barack Obama said it in 2004, but when he won in 2008 as president and governed, didn't govern like it.

Can't blame McConnell, Boehner, Scalise, Beck for that.

 

[GettyRoad]

If red areas have that heartland work ethic why is their GDP so much lower than blue areas and why do they have so much trouble attracting competitive industries?

Most foods are global commodities, btw. The coasts could just as easily buy it from someone else.

They're the backbone of America. When 9/11 happened, who volunteered to fight in Afghanistan? Not the people in NYC who were still stuck on hating Bush/Giuliani/Reagan, it was the guys from Ohio, Pennsylvania, Kansas, Arizona.

The heartland decides elections. Deal with it. Both parties have challenges but the GOP is a cult of personality and Democrats should be ashamed that they allow the GOP to take the heartland.

When will Democrats campaign in Canton, Lorain, Parma, Kansas City, Affton, Elyria, Duluth, Little Rock, Nashville?

 

[BurnItDwn]

Frontrunner Bernie Sanders is already campaigning in Ohio.
Trump will lose by largest margin in US history.

 

[Vic]

If red areas have that heartland work ethic why is their GDP so much lower than blue areas and why do they have so much trouble attracting competitive industries?

Most foods are global commodities, btw. The coasts could just as easily buy it from someone else.

I have a young daughter, and a while back we were watching that Curious George TV show. And on one episode, they show Chef Pisghetti's urban rooftop garden, where he grows all the vegetables for his restaurant. I saw that and said, if such a thing were possible (it isn't), it would be the biggest political gamechanger in history of politics.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Another “independent” concern troll.

Another "It doesn't agree with my opinion" and is therefore incorrect cuck.

Keep on declaring shit and then losing elections - maybe someday it will pan out for you poor folk. Hey - let's go declare some more elections! You guys have 2020, no need to turn out to vote!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It doesn't matter. The red areas feed you. Without them, you'd have no milk.

Funny thing, the milk I get is from the northeast with northeast feed for the cattle. Now let's suppose that I really didn't have a way to get milk. The largest foreign markets abroad? Well there's China...

Naturally the Chinese don't vote in US Presidental election nor do bottles of milk.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Frontrunner Bernie Sanders is already campaigning in Ohio.
Trump will lose by largest margin in US history.

Hehehehehehehehe

Where have I heard this before?

He's a joke, he will never run for president!
Okay, he might be running, but he will never be the candidate! He's stupid!
Okay, he is the candidate, but the stupid fuck will never win the election!


Oh fuck... Maybe Trump isn't the stupid one...

EDIT: See

Not So fucking funny now morons...

 

[Vic]

True. Red and blue need each other. Barack Obama said it in 2004, but when he won in 2008 as president and governed, didn't govern like it.

Can't blame McConnell, Boehner, Scalise, Beck for that.

I'm curious, how did Obama not govern for all the People? Did he send out tweets daily calling half of them losers?

 

[fskimospy]

True. Red and blue need each other. Barack Obama said it in 2004, but when he won in 2008 as president and governed, didn't govern like it.

Can't blame McConnell, Boehner, Scalise, Beck for that.

Ohhhhh yes you can. Obama almost broke his back bending over to try and accommodate conservatives. Little did he know he was wasting his time. Here’s an account of senior GOP leadership from Obama’s literal inauguration night in January 2009. The republicans settled on total, unyielding obstruction and opposition from day 1 and they hoped to dupe you into believing it was Obama’s fault. Looks like it worked.

https://www.npr.org/books/titles/15...we-do-inside-the-u-s-house-of-representatives

The dinner lasted nearly four hours. They parted company almost giddily. The Republicans had agreed on a way forward: Go after Geithner. (And indeed Kyl did, the next day: "Would you answer my question rather than dancing around it — please?")

Show united and unyielding opposition to the president's economic policies. (Eight days later, Minority Whip Cantor would hold the House Republicans to a unanimous No against Obama's economic stimulus plan.)

Begin attacking vulnerable Democrats on the airwaves. (The first National Republican Congressional Committee attack ads would run in less than two months.)

Win the spear point of the House in 2010. Jab Obama relentlessly in 2011. Win the White House and the Senate in 2012.