The Democratic Party's Middle America Heartland Problem

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brycejones

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They're the backbone of America. When 9/11 happened, who volunteered to fight in Afghanistan? Not the people in NYC who were still stuck on hating Bush/Giuliani/Reagan, it was the guys from Ohio, Pennsylvania, Kansas, Arizona.

The heartland decides elections. Deal with it. Both parties have challenges but the GOP is a cult of personality and Democrats should be ashamed that they allow the GOP to take the heartland.

When will Democrats campaign in Canton, Lorain, Parma, Kansas City, Affton, Elyria, Duluth, Little Rock, Nashville?

You show how little you know. Democrats took the Kansas 3rd in the last election. I will let you look up where that is.

Btw that was after the GOP gerrymandered the fuck out of that district in 2011.
 

Vic

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They're the backbone of America. When 9/11 happened, who volunteered to fight in Afghanistan? Not the people in NYC who were still stuck on hating Bush/Giuliani/Reagan, it was the guys from Ohio, Pennsylvania, Kansas, Arizona.

The heartland decides elections. Deal with it. Both parties have challenges but the GOP is a cult of personality and Democrats should be ashamed that they allow the GOP to take the heartland.

When will Democrats campaign in Canton, Lorain, Parma, Kansas City, Affton, Elyria, Duluth, Little Rock, Nashville?
Weird that it was the people in NYC who got attacked on 9/11, and not the people in the "heartland."
 
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fskimospy

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They're the backbone of America. When 9/11 happened, who volunteered to fight in Afghanistan? Not the people in NYC who were still stuck on hating Bush/Giuliani/Reagan, it was the guys from Ohio, Pennsylvania, Kansas, Arizona.

The heartland decides elections. Deal with it. Both parties have challenges but the GOP is a cult of personality and Democrats should be ashamed that they allow the GOP to take the heartland.

When will Democrats campaign in Canton, Lorain, Parma, Kansas City, Affton, Elyria, Duluth, Little Rock, Nashville?

What does 9/11 have to do with anything here?
 

Vic

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Ohhhhh yes you can. Obama almost broke his back bending over to try and accommodate conservatives. Little did he know he was wasting his time. Here’s an account of senior GOP leadership from Obama’s literal inauguration night in January 2009. The republicans settled on total, unyielding obstruction and opposition from day 1 and they hoped to dupe you into believing it was Obama’s fault. Looks like it worked.

https://www.npr.org/books/titles/15...we-do-inside-the-u-s-house-of-representatives
Does it really matter how far Obama bent over backwards for conservative voters when Trump and the rest of the GOP flip their middle fingers to non-Republican voters every single day?
If you guys wanna win next year, you need to stop letting these trolls control the narrative. Stop defending.
 

Vic

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It's all about the flux. Keep the nonsense gushing and people can't keep up. Trump learned the technique from his Russian handlers, guys like GettyRoad here.
All American conservatives don't use pronoun. Is normal.
 

fskimospy

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Does it really matter how far Obama bent over backwards for conservative voters when Trump and the rest of the GOP flip their middle fingers to non-Republican voters every single day?
If you guys wanna win next year, you need to stop letting these trolls control the narrative. Stop defending.

To some extent I agree that Democrats will need to adopt some of the nihilistic approaches that conservatives take to politics but it’s important not to become too much like them. Otherwise what’s the point?
 

GettyRoad

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You show how little you know. Democrats took the Kansas 3rd in the last election. I will let you look up where that is.

Btw that was after the GOP gerrymandered the fuck out of that district in 2011.

I'm an Independent, but I know Davids won. Davids should be more upfront on TV.
 

GettyRoad

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It's all about the flux. Keep the nonsense gushing and people can't keep up. Trump learned the technique from his Russian handlers, guys like GettyRoad here.
I'm an Independent. I lean right on some issues and I lean left on some issues. Period. I'm gonna say this for the last time. I just see reality. Democrats need to compete in the Rust Belt.
 

Vic

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To some extent I agree that Democrats will need to adopt some of the nihilistic approaches that conservatives take to politics but it’s important not to become too much like them. Otherwise what’s the point?
I'm not suggesting nihilistic approaches, I'm suggesting taking the offensive and seizing control of the narrative.
 

Vic

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I'm an Independent. I lean right on some issues and I lean left on some issues. Period. I'm gonna say this for the last time. I just see reality. Democrats need to compete in the Rust Belt.
Thank you, Captain Obvious!
 

ivwshane

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Its always the"independents" that seemed the most misinformed.

Hillary lost in states she barely campaigned in for a total of 80k votes that cost her the electoral college. I wouldn't call bad campaigning a "heartland problem" but thanks for the overreaction.
 

HomerJS

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That's only something that has happened in every single midterm for as long as anyone alive has ever known.

But keep dancing around like it's something unique because EVERY1 H8TES TEH TRUMP!!!"1one!1
Last midterm broke the record for the vote total difference. That has only happened once.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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What does 9/11 have to do with anything here?

What does signing up in Cheney's war have to do with it as well? Maybe he's suggesting that in the "heartland" they vote early and often?

Hell, I'm going to get a glass of Upstate milk now.
 

FerrelGeek

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The party in power almost always loses seats in midterm elections.

The 2018 election rep losses are nowhere near the top in terms of midterm losses for a sitting president

IIRC, some 40-45 rep congressdroids chose to take their war chests and go home. This left a large door open for challenge in an election where incumbents fared well.

Translation - It was nowhere near the ass kicking you claim.

The facts are the GOP got their ass kicked in the midterms in the heartland because of Trump.

Two good working keyboards in the basement now. This is cause for celebrationsky...

EDIT: I didn't see your list of "heartland" States earlier... Very subjective....
 

fskimospy

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The party in power almost always loses seats in midterm elections.

The 2018 election rep losses are nowhere near the top in terms of midterm losses for a sitting president

IIRC, some 40-45 rep congressdroids chose to take their war chests and go home. This left a large door open for challenge in an election where incumbents fared well.

Translation - It was nowhere near the ass kicking you claim.

It was a slaughter. The only thing that saved it from being even worse was gerrymandering and geographic concentration.

Largest absolute vote margin in midterm history:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/el...te-record-house-popular-vote-midterms-n940116

Largest percentage margin for a minority party since 1942 when the US began keeping records of this:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/06/politics/latest-house-vote-blue-wave/index.html

Including all elections it's still the largest margin in recent history with the exception of 2008.

If 2018 wasn't an ass-kicking then ass-kickings don't exist. I encourage conservatives to keep trying to convince themselves that 2018 wasn't a warning though. Keep doing what you're doing! If you won't learn the lessons of what the voters were trying to tell you then you're just dooming yourself to repeat it.
 
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brycejones

Lifer
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The party in power almost always loses seats in midterm elections.

The 2018 election rep losses are nowhere near the top in terms of midterm losses for a sitting president

IIRC, some 40-45 rep congressdroids chose to take their war chests and go home. This left a large door open for challenge in an election where incumbents fared well.

Translation - It was nowhere near the ass kicking you claim.

The congressdroids went home because their polling told them they would lose. People assured of easy paths to reelection don't "retire".
 

Homerboy

Lifer
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It doesn't matter. The red areas feed you. Without them, you'd have no milk.

Yes, blue areas have more population, but red areas have more heartland work ethic.

I'm an Independent and I know this.

Yes, Democrats won the House in 2018, but they still have heartland problems. Talk about jobs, healthcare, etc.

You realize California is the largest diary producing state, right?
 

Commodus

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I don't think it'll be as hard for the Dems to win the "heartland" as the OP suggests. It's pretty simple: Trump hasn't delivered the jobs and economic gains he promised. People in those areas didn't see a surge in jobs, and growth has slowed under Trump; they didn't get a significant tax break, certainly not a permanent one.

So long as the Dems campaign in those areas and remind constituents that Trump failed, as he usually does, they'll stand a better chance than they did in 2016.
 
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