The Draft is Back

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: judge
after listening to nbc nightly news i am more now convience that draft will be brought back next year if bush is elected. I have decided to pack my bag and be ready to go to mexico and then to iraq if draft is brought back which i am convience will be brought back if bush gets another 4 years

Looks like Rock the Vote got to you too

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: tallest1

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
I'll have to read bill in full, but it sounds like they may finally have gotten it right. There's nothing wrong with asking for some form of civil service, as long as it's EVERYONE and not just men that have to do it. There can be NO exceptions, especially not for the presidents own children. EVERYONE serves if anyone does. It can't be required military, because not everyone believes in harming others. But something. Reserve police officer, medical assistant, community service, park ranger, etc.

I like the idea of giving an option. If you accept civil service and complete it you can receive government assistance, like school loans and pell grants and unemployment. I think the montgomery gi bill should get a boost too and be offered to any civil service participant, not just military. Or keep the gi bill military but add another that anyone can get. If you choose not to serve, you can NEVER for any reason get ANY help from and state or federal agency, PERIOD.

I completely agree. However the only thing that worries me is this part:

"in a civilian capacity that, as determined by the President, promotes the national defense, including national or community service and homeland security.

I'd rather Congress decide on that

Agreed. I'd rather go a step farther and say that each state could enact thru general legislation a listing of required jobs that they want to be allowed to fulfill the civic requirement. This duty should be more about community and local service that purely national service anyway. So if Alaska needs a ton of park rangers they could vote to allow rangers to fulfill the requirement, while california ok's lifeguards or beach cleanup crew.

this subject could be a whole new thread. But id say national is a better idea than local. One thing ive learned being in a national service is a lot of people get pretty blinded by thier locale, and if it werent for them being shipped to different parts of the country, meeting people from all 50 states, then eventually being shipped overseas, many of them would still be very narrowminded. Being exposed to the various cultures and dialects that exist just within the united states has been educational to say the least.

 

[cmdavid]

the draft would be great.. i plan to serve the country once i graduate from college anyways...

 

[imported_judge]

Originally posted by: cmdavid
the draft would be great.. i plan to serve the country once i graduate from college anyways...

good, you can take my place whille i am having fun time in france

 

[imported_Condor]

(Quote)

They are trying to bring back the draft. A bill before the Senate:


quote:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.

...

(a) OBLIGATION FOR YOUNG PERSONS- It is the obligation of every citizen of the United States, and every other person residing in the United States, who is between the ages of 18 and 26 to perform a period of national service as prescribed in this Act unless exempted under the provisions of this Act.

(b) FORM OF NATIONAL SERVICE- National service under this Act shall be performed either--

(1) as a member of an active or reserve component of the uniformed services; or

(2) in a civilian capacity that, as determined by the President, promotes the national defense, including national or community service and homeland security.
Text

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Time to write your Senator and let him know that the draft should not come back.
(End Quote)

Actually, I have thought that it was a mistake doing away with the draft for years. The draft did establish a more even playing field than there is today. Many of the liberals in these forums wax verbose about Bush avoiding the war in RVN and yet would be against the draft.

The two things that the draft would do that come immediately to mind is:

1. Weapons training for all. That may go a long way toward quelling the superstitious paranoia that now exists in the liberal camp (guess who doesn't seem to do much service these dayd?) of today.

2. It would take young men out of a negative environment such as the inner city and expose them to an altogather different environment.

3. if they would bring back KP too, perhaps some of the boys and girls out there would discover how to cook and clean a kitchen!

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: judge

Originally posted by: cmdavid
the draft would be great.. i plan to serve the country once i graduate from college anyways...

good, you can take my place whille i am having fun time in france

...spoken like a tru neolib.

 

[burnedout]

**Breaking News**

House Crushes Military Draft Bill - Reuters via Yahoo

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The House of Representatives on Tuesday crushed a bill to reinstitute the draft as Republicans accused Democrats of raising the specter of compulsory military service to turn voters against President Bush (news - web sites)'s reelection bid.

After a bitter debate on Bush's handling of Iraq (news - web sites), the House killed the bill 402-2 as Republicans sought to stamp out rumors of an impending draft that have swept college campuses and the Internet, worrying young people and parents across the country. . . . . .

You may now resume with other more popular moonbat theories already in progress

**Film at 11**

 

[slurmsmackenzie]

draft = see you in jail.

i'll be damned if i'm fighting for the US.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: burnedout
**Breaking News**

House Crushes Military Draft Bill - Reuters via Yahoo

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The House of Representatives on Tuesday crushed a bill to reinstitute the draft as Republicans accused Democrats of raising the specter of compulsory military service to turn voters against President Bush (news - web sites)'s reelection bid.

After a bitter debate on Bush's handling of Iraq (news - web sites), the House killed the bill 402-2 as Republicans sought to stamp out rumors of an impending draft that have swept college campuses and the Internet, worrying young people and parents across the country. . . . . .

You may now resume with other more popular moonbat theories already in progress

**Film at 11**

Did Rangel even vote for his own bill?

CsG

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Did Rangel even vote for his own bill?

CsG

I'll check that out here shortly.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Did Rangel even vote for his own bill?

CsG

I'll check that out here shortly.

I tried to find it but no one seems to name the 2 people who voted for the draft.

CsG

 

[burnedout]

Murtha and Stark voted for the bill.

Rangel - Nay

29 not voting

Roll Call 494

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: burnedout
Murtha and Stark voted for the bill.

Rangel - Nay

29 not voting

Roll Call 494

Ah, so it WAS just more BS scaremongering from the left. Figures.

CsG

 

[wiin]

Rangel - Nay

Rangel voted againts his own draft legislation? Hahahahahahahaa. This is hilarious. Limbaugh said that Rangel would do this and sure enough, he did.

 

[imported_judge]

just because this bill was defeated it don't mean new bill will not be introduce, i still belive if bush wins draft will be reinstate starting june, 2005

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie
draft = see you in jail.

i'll be damned if i'm fighting for the US.

Do you own any FUBU pants?

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: judge
just because this bill was defeated it don't mean new bill will not be introduce, i still belive if bush wins draft will be reinstate starting june, 2005

...looks like their plan worked, then. Baaaaahhhhhhhhh

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie
draft = see you in jail.

i'll be damned if i'm fighting for the US.

Do you own any FUBU pants?

Can you explain that comment or should I just assume it's racist?

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie
draft = see you in jail.

i'll be damned if i'm fighting for the US.

Do you own any FUBU pants?

Can you explain that comment or should I just assume it's racist?

...just ass-ume whatever you want, kid.

 

[Mockery]

Originally posted by: judge
just because this bill was defeated it don't mean new bill will not be introduce, i still belive if bush wins draft will be reinstate starting june, 2005

Seeing the list of people who created this draft proposal, I'd say that if Kerry gets elected a draft would be eminent.

After all, every single one of the cosponsors of this latest draft proposal has acknowledged their support for Kerry.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: judge
just because this bill was defeated it don't mean new bill will not be introduce, i still belive if bush wins draft will be reinstate starting june, 2005

Please STFU. What makes you think a new bill will pass? Please go back to Goverment 101.

 

[heartsurgeon]

..just ass-ume whatever you want, kid.

HAHAHAHAHA

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie
draft = see you in jail.

i'll be damned if i'm fighting for the US.

Do you own any FUBU pants?

Can you explain that comment or should I just assume it's racist?

...just ass-ume whatever you want, kid.

Go see my conservative classification thread. You belong in the nationalist / racist category apparently since you are suggesting black people and jail go hand in hand.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

..just ass-ume whatever you want, kid.

HAHAHAHAHA

Anyone else notice how the "ass-ume" humor is popular with the neocons? Shows their level of maturity and unoriginality.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

..just ass-ume whatever you want, kid.

HAHAHAHAHA

Anyone else notice how the "ass-ume" humor is popular with the neocons? Shows their level of maturity and unoriginality.

Thank you for providing me with my daily recommended dose of irony.