The elite liberals and racism

Noah Abrams

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There are multiple reasons I have little patience with the elite liberals' supposed fight against racism. To be honest I probably have more time for the everyday racist than the sophisticated, highly educated, condescending, cynical, rich white liberal. The former at least has a measure of honesty about him. Not talking about you guys - this is just a forum and I don't know anybody. I am talking of my own life experiences and fortunately or unfortunately, I have known a wide variety of people of various ethnic and socioeconomic backgrounds. And among all these, the rich white man or woman (esp the liberal kind), I have tended to find the most unbearable.

So you drive around with Obama for President bumper sticker and you say this is about time we had a black man as President, but you treat that poor Nepali guy as dirt. And yet this is not how you are with the "important" people of your social circle. The recent hullabaloo in New York City among the enlightened and open minded liberals regarding the school changes - something like that would surprise you only if you are already not aware of this certain kind of liberal. I remember Haybusa here also mentioning this kind from his own experiences.

On the political level, I do not believe the left cares about the non-white people. It has been fully involved and complicit in the murder and oppression of hundreds of thousands of brown people all over the world. Something that continues to this day. But that is another topic entirely and I do not want to go there into it here...or the domestic policies which supposedly benefit non-white people as pushed by the left - that too is another topic.

This is about the actual racism. This notion that just because someone is a liberal politically that they are more open minded about race than a conservative, I find this to be utterly absurd. I have personally known the exact opposite so many times. Sure there are racist conservatives and not racist liberals. But this presumption, or notion that is pushed by the established media and what many people have come to believe - I think it is nonsense. As always, the world is not what is portrayed in the media, which have their own ax to grind - and more importantly, their own profits to consider.

Following are some examples of well known figures and politicians, but they just mirror the wider group. And the point I wish to make is most certainly not confined to humans in physical form (only) like The Mrs. Who Lost (Again) and their ilk.

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And here is Bill Clinton, describing Obama in 2010: “A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee.”

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Remember in 2008, in one of her earlier incarnations, a once national-populist Hillary Clinton was running against Obama by galvanizing the so-called white working classes. Often, she was not shy about saying so: “I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on,” Clinton bragged. As evidence, she cited an Associated Press story that found, in her words, “how Senator Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me.”

“There’s a pattern emerging here,” she concluded.

There is.

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Joe Biden’s putdown of Barack Obama in 2008 apparently was xeroxed by liberal icon and former senator Harry Reid, who likewise dismissed Obama as a veritable racial chameleon, a “light-skinned African with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.”

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Also, when one by act and deed demonstrates more comfortability with one’s own tribe, that de facto apartheid can be hard to turn on and off. In contrast, a white truck driver who lives with Mexican Americans, or a Mexican-American carpenter who lives in a working-class neighborhood of whites, realizes there are consequences to racialist slurs. And they are not confined to Twitter virtue-signaling or Internet mobbing but often are muscular and can be dangerous.

I have found race, class, and gender tensions far greater at Stanford University than in San Joaquin Valley rural communities, where difference is incidental and not so essential to one’s person. Perhaps the reason is that people share a lower middle-class existence, or that muscular work tends to outweigh rhetoric and abstraction. When one works and lives alongside someone of a different appearance, there is no need or time or affluence to create a façade of identity politics.


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Noah Abrams

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And here is something I have felt myself, and I think have said so here before as well.

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Finally, there is a final and mostly cynical explanation for the recent spate of progressive intolerance. Those who are by nature or habit intolerant mask their resulting guilt or fear by progressive virtue-signaling and occasional inadvertent revelations of their own moral selves.
 

UglyCasanova

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This forum is an example of what I think you are trying to get at. It leans heavily to the left and open racism is not only tolerated but encouraged. There are several posters on here that judge people simply by the color of their skin. That spout remarks degrading an entire population of people because they are white. It’s quite frankly amazing, and the antithesis of what the civil rights movement strived towards. The racism tolerated on here (and seemingly in society at large) is a slap in the face to all the hard work put in by the civil rights era activists. They wanted an equal and just society, many on here want a divided one.
 
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This forum is an example of what I think you are trying to get at. It leans heavily to the left and open racism is not only tolerated but encouraged. There are several posters on here that judge people simply by the color of their skin. That spout remarks degrading an entire population of people because they are white. It’s quite frankly amazing, and the antithesis of what the civil rights movement strived towards. The racism tolerated on here (and seemingly in society at large) is a slap in the face to all the hard work put in by the civil rights era activists. They wanted an equal and just society, many on here want a divided one.

Your life must be an absolute hell to be so very oppressed by all that straw. So sad.
 

MrSquished

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If you can't tell the difference between Trumpists marching as white supremacists in Savannah and progressives, especially older ones, who still have some bias in them I dunno what to tell you or the national review.
 
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IJTSSG

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Everyone knows that racism only exists in the deep south perpetrated by Trump supporters. Don't be fooled by the recent widely reported on incidents in Philly, Detroit, Jersey, Yale, Oakland and what you read here.
 

ivwshane

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Everyone knows that racism only exists in the deep south perpetrated by Trump supporters. Don't be fooled by the recent widely reported on incidents in Philly, Detroit, Jersey, Yale, Oakland and what you read here.

Read here? I would enjoy reading such claims! Link it up!
 

Amused

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Oh Gee, look. All the hallmarks of anti-intellectualism (those better educated people are elitists, dag nabit!) combined with claims that the other side is guilty of your blatant flaws and misdeeds.

Good stuff. Will laugh at again. Need to stop before excessive ha-ha occurs.
 

brycejones

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The poor straw people. They are the true victims here at P&N. Constantly abused and out right murdered by the op, uglygoatboy, and isttg or whatever.
 

Noah Abrams

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, next up, water is wet.

Oh talking about water, what is that phrase...denial is not just a river in Egypt. That is how the responses so far can be summed up

You guys can shoot the messenger. I’ve already been called all sorts of things because I commit the cardinal sin of speaking not along party lines. Of either side. But there is a larger point here. I’m sure some of the more thoughtful liberals can see the flaws in the mirror
 
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Noah Abrams

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If you can't tell the difference between Trumpists marching as white supremacists in Savannah and progressives, especially older ones, who still have some bias in them I dunno what to tell you or the national review.

Again you make the childish mistake of comparing dick sizes. No one is talking about the vile one or those Nazis. I’m not interested in them in the least
 

ch33zw1z

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Oh talking about water, what is that phrase...denial is not just a river in Egypt. That is how the responses so far can be summed up

You guys can shoot the messenger. I’ve already been called all sorts of things because I commit the cardinal sin of speaking not along party lines. Of either side. But there is a larger point here. I’m sure some of the more thoughtful liberals can see the flaws in the mirror

Your larger point isn't about racism, it's about the elitist disdain for the plebes, which does cross party lines. So dispense with the bullshit, and put your wedge and sledge down.
 

Commodus

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Oh talking about water, what is that phrase...denial is not just a river in Egypt. That is how the responses so far can be summed up

You guys can shoot the messenger. I’ve already been called all sorts of things because I commit the cardinal sin of speaking not along party lines. Of either side. But there is a larger point here. I’m sure some of the more thoughtful liberals can see the flaws in the mirror

No, we call you all sorts of things because you're a sanctimonious know-it-all who acts as if he has unique insight into how the world works, and that people who disagree with you just haven't been 'enlightened' yet.
 

ivwshane

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Oh talking about water, what is that phrase...denial is not just a river in Egypt. That is how the responses so far can be summed up

You guys can shoot the messenger. I’ve already been called all sorts of things because I commit the cardinal sin of speaking not along party lines. Of either side. But there is a larger point here. I’m sure some of the more thoughtful liberals can see the flaws in the mirror

From what I've seen, all you do is spout talking points. Honestly, I don't think you could speak along party lines anymore than you already do. Hell, just look at the title of this thread, "elite liberals"?

You aren't fooling anyone. Maybe you can try to "both sides" your way out of this, that seems to be the go to for those on the right who feel defeated.
 
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ivwshane

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To the left, broadly, racism is wrong or right depending on who it targets.

Sure, and to the right, racism isn't racism depending on whose doing it.

As long as you are the victim you can't be racist, right, victim21?
 

Ns1

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racism on the left is going home to your husband and talking smack on your mexican neighbor for playing his music too loud.

racism on the right is going home and lynching your black neighbor and then voting for closed borders because you're afraid some mexican is going to rob you at night.
 

Noah Abrams

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racism on the left is going home to your husband and talking smack on your mexican neighbor for playing his music too loud.

t.

The Mrs wasn’t talking to her husband when she declared whites to be real Americans. It was to her supporters, national audience

Don’t think she and Mr talk to each other at all. One has been busy chasing ambition and the other been chasing women, all their lives

You sure you want to live in THAT much denial about the left?
 

UglyCasanova

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Sure, and to the right, racism isn't racism depending on whose doing it.
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I’d disagree with that. The people on the right I talk to aren’t afraid of calling a racist white person a racist. They also aren’t afraid of calling a racist black persons one. Granted some don’t really give a shit that they are racist, but they aren’t afraid to call a spade a spade.
 
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