That wasn’t an attack, I apologize if you took it as suchWell the classy attack on my parents has really made rethink your position.
Doesn’t make limousine and latte liberals any less hypocritical.Opposition to low income housing is a rich person thing, not a liberal/conservative thing.
It has and will always be an equity of opportunity vs equity of outcome debate. The threads here are not really indicative of anything, as you have many irrational fringe perspectives driving the narratives.Opposition to equal employment opportunity and such is very much a conservative thing. Just look at the threads here on evidence of widespread racial discrimination in hiring.
Opposition to brown people living next to you subsidized housing or not is a northern/coastal white racist thing not just a wealth class status issue that phony northern/coastal liberal apologists like to project while pointing a finger at the southern confederate flag waving racist,
Doesn’t make limousine and latte liberals any less hypocritical.
It has and will always be an equity of opportunity vs equity of outcome debate. The threads here are not really indicative of anything, as you have many irrational fringe perspectives driving the narratives.
Just not to their face, amIrite?They also aren’t afraid of calling a racist black persons one. . . . but they aren’t afraid to call a spade a spade.
This forum is an example of what I think you are trying to get at. It leans heavily to the left and open racism is not only tolerated but encouraged. There are several posters on here that judge people simply by the color of their skin. That spout remarks degrading an entire population of people because they are white. It’s quite frankly amazing, and the antithesis of what the civil rights movement strived towards. The racism tolerated on here (and seemingly in society at large) is a slap in the face to all the hard work put in by the civil rights era activists. They wanted an equal and just society, many on here want a divided one.
Which is a lot of bs. Is there racism out there? Sure. Do blacks commit homicides at 8 times the rate of whites? Seems to be the case there too.
That's racism, calling the POTUS racist, just because he's white. MLK's niece, Alveda King, is a personal friend of his. She says he's not racist. I have hispanic friends who work for the organization, who also say he's not racist. The media drums that shit out and the sheeple have eaten it up. Keep those nose rings in, peeps. Saul Alinsky is still alive and well with his divide and conquer strategy.
I admit there is racism. There is no debate over that. I will debate why its so stubbornly persistent. The frustration you have with conservatives I share towards white elite liberals who feeled compelled to explain something they don’t understand while simultaneously and quite obliviously contributing to its perpetuation.Well sure, I mean the upper west side is filled with rich, hypocritical assholes.
The whole point of the empirical research on employment discrimination in hiring is that there isn't an equity of opportunity as people are being excluded from consideration simply for being black. Most of the time here we can't even get conservatives to admit that. Usually they admit to some general idea that racism exists in America but any time you bring up some specific aspect of it they deny racism is at fault. It's like Schrodinger's racism, simultaneously everywhere and nowhere.
This forum is an example of what I think you are trying to get at. It leans heavily to the left and open racism is not only tolerated but encouraged. There are several posters on here that judge people simply by the color of their skin. That spout remarks degrading an entire population of people because they are white. It’s quite frankly amazing, and the antithesis of what the civil rights movement strived towards. The racism tolerated on here (and seemingly in society at large) is a slap in the face to all the hard work put in by the civil rights era activists. They wanted an equal and just society, many on here want a divided one.
Put it this way, while a richer elitist liberal may not live in a neighborhood where a lot of blacks can afford to live, which is a product of institutional racism mostly, they will march right next to and beside minorities in earnest for their rights whereas while a poor white guy may live among minorities, though totally not by choice, and they will stay indoors fuming when the minorities march for their rights. Who is the actual racist?
You probably see what you believe.I admit there is racism. There is no debate over that. I will debate why its so stubbornly persistent. The frustration you have with conservatives I share towards white elite liberals who feeled compelled to explain something they don’t understand while simultaneously and quite obliviously contributing to its perpetuation.
The Bill Clinton comment is easily taken as a comment on how Obama was basically a peon in the political world not that long ago compared to the long careers of Bill and his peers. That's how I took it.
The elite liberal throws a hissy fit if his kids school allow policies that put in minority kids there. The elite liberal doesn't know any minorities personally and neither does he want to. A lower middle class guy would generally have no problems sharing meals with minorities. Who is the actual racist?
That being said of course there are racists on both sides of the spectrum. There is a fundamental difference in most cases, though not all of course. On the left it is often more of an implicit bias, borne from a system fraught with institutional racism and lack of the races mixing on a fundamental level. On the right it is often downright conscious racist thought.
The elite liberal throws a hissy fit if his kids school allow policies that put in minority kids there. The elite liberal doesn't know any minorities personally and neither does he want to. A lower middle class guy would generally have no problems sharing meals with minorities. Who is the actual racist?
Just not to their face, amIrite?
The elite liberal throws a hissy fit if his kids school allow policies that put in minority kids there. The elite liberal doesn't know any minorities personally and neither does he want to. A lower middle class guy would generally have no problems sharing meals with minorities. Who is the actual racist?
You can’t just make up people to support your argument.
If you can't tell the difference between Trumpists marching as white supremacists in Savannah and progressives, especially older ones, who still have some bias in them I dunno what to tell you or the national review.
Just out of curiosity..what makes one an "elite liberal"? Are these the best of the best liberals?I had know idea there are so many different liberals, elite, limousine, latte, welfare. Who knew.
I've read as far as I wish to in this thread. The only problem I have is when and ideology shuts down legitimate discussion on serious issues of race. Be critical of Obama and "So you don't like the Negroes!" and the like appear. I got that recently mostly as a reflex. In NY we have the largest and dumbest system of welfare I've personally seen. It needs serious reform to provide needed services to people in legitimate need proportional to their real-world situations. Of one makes one dollar too much you are off for some length of time and it can be hell to fix that. Some dollar for dollar reduction makes sense while keeping insurance and the like. Nope.
Even that kind of reform can't happen here because "racists" is the first thing people who have an interest in maintaining the status quo for their own purposes, and the politician who even suggests such a thing might as well pack his bags.
Of course there are elite in every group. The elite liberals are the kinds symbolized by the two leaders of the Dem party, Schummer and Pelosi, who would be the typical examples of what have been described in this thread as the assholes.
Here is something that is getting murmured in liberal circles too - albeit at a low level from where they won't allow it to go up. For all its talk of championing the rights of minorities, the Dem party is lead by two white people. The white woman soon to be a replaced by a white man.