Trying to make a subtle racist remark? Typical.
Of course there are elite in every group. The elite liberals are the kinds symbolized by the two leaders of the Dem party, Schummer and Pelosi, who would be the typical examples of what have been described in this thread as the assholes.
Here is something that is getting murmured in liberal circles too - albeit at a low level from where they won't allow it to go up. For all its talk of championing the rights of minorities, the Dem party is lead by two white people. The white woman soon to be a replaced by a white man.
So..the Dem party and the leadership are the "elite liberals" who are responsible for all this racism...None of the "elite conservatives"?..who knew..
(Sighs)...you too are replying to something that wasn't even said.
The elite conservatives aren't the ones lecturing the country about racism.
(Sighs)...you too are replying to something that wasn't even said.
The elite conservatives aren't the ones lecturing the country about racism.
(Sighs)...you too are replying to something that wasn't even said.
The elite conservatives aren't the ones lecturing the country about racism.
But do you not fully have an honest answer? 'Cesspool, mutual backslapping, elitist racist liberals', it seems pretty clear that your concerns are of a moral nature and that the violation of your notions of them produce rage. Perhaps you don't like to see yourself as an emotional person and have simply learned not to recognize when you're angry. and feel an urge to make somebody pay and that even greater anger or and the possibility of depression follows when you run into denial and are thwarted. You went into a thread pointing fingers and found others pointing them back at you. Self righteousness and moral outrage are handmaidens that depend on sanctimoniousness, the certainty one is right. I suggest that sense comes from conditioning by fear, a sense of foreboding and ill ease, when moral rules are violated. I suggest further that is happens because we do not remember the pain by which we were bent to conformity, the degree to which we were suborned by our helpless dependence and our thirst to be loved and to please. And beneath all that anger for violation of our being is grief we are ashamed to feel. They made us terrified to be evil but they had no idea what evil is. Now, we are them, imprisoned in a cage of assumptions we do not see.All good questions. I am sure at the root of it is the ego / mind's need to feel better about itself. That deep insecurity that lies at the root of all of us. What is the point of this lament? Again, good question for which I do not have a fully honest answer. I ask then, what is the point of *anything* in the world? At least all the things we see and hear all around us - which is almost always ego in action.
The cesspool that gets created here on this forum again and again....the mutual backslapping...what is the *actual* point of it, realistically speaking? I doubt if it is anything other than the ego.
But do you not fully have an honest answer? 'Cesspool, mutual backslapping, elitist racist liberals', it seems pretty clear that your concerns are of a moral nature and that the violation of your notions of them produce rage. Perhaps you don't like to see yourself as an emotional person and have simply learned not to recognize when you're angry. and feel an urge to make somebody pay and that even greater anger or and the possibility of depression follows when you run into denial and are thwarted. You went into a thread pointing fingers and found others pointing them back at you. Self righteousness and moral outrage are handmaidens that depend on sanctimoniousness, the certainty one is right. I suggest that sense comes from conditioning by fear, a sense of foreboding and ill ease, when moral rules are violated. I suggest further that is happens because we do not remember the pain by which we were bent to conformity, the degree to which we were suborned by our helpless dependence and our thirst to be loved and to please. And beneath all that anger for violation of our being is grief we are ashamed to feel. They made us terrified to be evil but they had no idea what evil is. Now, we are them, imprisoned in a cage of assumptions we do not see.
How do you define an 'elite liberal'?
Remember this is a guy who bragged that he knew a Muslim and confidently declared that most of us didn't. From the way he writes my guess is he's in college or his early 20's. (or just trolling)
Trying to make a subtle racist remark? Typical.
We can look at the implications of what it means to understand the problem intellectually. We can see that we are subject to motivations the roots of which we can't see, that we are unconscious but we are not conscious of the fact that is what is happening. This means that once we were completely accepting of whatever motivations might be driving us but now, while still subject to the fact we are driven, we can stand removed by one step. We know we feel something but we don't know what the feelings are and we now can consider the possibility they are not factually real, that in fact it or they are a prison we created. This can open the door to self introspection and self doubt some humility, if you will.Yes, but even if I understand this intellectually, what is the way out? Intellect as you know only gets you so far. A lot of what you say if not most of it happens at the unconscious level. So how does one get out of this prison as you put it?
I believe what is true. Once the alt-right crawls back into the holes from which they came, the underlying socioeconomic conditions that fuel racism will inevitably remain. The alt-right is a useful distraction from a far more difficult pill to swallow.You probably see what you believe.
The elite liberal throws a hissy fit if his kids school allow policies that put in minority kids there. The elite liberal doesn't know any minorities personally and neither does he want to. A lower middle class guy would generally have no problems sharing meals with minorities. Who is the actual racist?
This isn’t seeing what you believe? How do you see yourself if not as believing you believe what is true? Isn’t that exactly how you see it? How do you maintain that when the overt racists are back in their holes, whatever it is that you see those to be, that underlying socioeconomic conditions you believe you see will persist to impede the swallowing of a more bitter pill, is a fact for you because that’s how you see it? Where is the bitterness for you in that pill, by the way?I believe what is true. Once the alt-right crawls back into the holes from which they came, the underlying socioeconomic conditions that fuel racism will inevitably remain. The alt-right is a useful distraction from a far more difficult pill to swallow.
I believe you recently lectured the OP on finger pointing and sanctimony.
Nice.Winning an argument is easy when you get to make up your own facts.
A second intellectual realization is that our search for answers is done by the ego to protect and continue it's existence, that the truth is 180 degrees from where we look. Thus there is a second fire we don't have to feed, the notion that the I we believe ourselves to be is our friend. It is the enemy and our real condition due to that fact is utterly hopeless. There is no way our that the self that we believe ourselves to be will ever get us free. That means there is nothing to do but surrender and accept we can never be free. In that place of utter ego surrender a magical door called Grace by many can open. I call this standing out in the highway if you want to be run down by Grace. That highway is the end of the line. the place where thought, understanding it is the enemy admits to the danger of going on and surrenders. I think of this as ego death. That is because the true self has never been lost, it was just buried by ego identification with the unreal.
So I believe that belief creates our reality, a prison of our own making and as soon as the socioeconomic causes of racism are fixed racism will take a new form, because at root all false moral values are imposed to give acompetitive superior value to the believer and superiority can’t exist if it dose not have something to which to compare itself. Racism is belief and we see what we believe. We always have the very best beliefs. All this becomes apparent if you lose your beliefs.