The elite liberals and racism

[Moonbeam]

The same wrong things that I have done before. If I do not have guilt about the past wrong doings. But guilt by definition means living in the past.

I would say there are two types of sin and guilt over it. In one case one can feel one has been sinful and worthy of punishment when that is just not the case. Unconscious people, how can they really be guilty of anything. A second kind of sin is where one has acted to avenge or to avoid one's inner pain. In this case unconsciousness has caused real harm. To remain unconscious of that fact one will deny one's guilt. To face it is to forego guilt in favor of taking responsibility. To be mentally healthy is to feel self worth and being worthy become one's paramount goal. To awaken is to act in the most worthwhile way one can because that is what love is.

The best way to know if grief has an end is to try it. To grieve is to heal. What more healing is there if you get well?

 

[glenn1]

n/m

 

[cytg111]

This forum is an example of what I think you are trying to get at. It leans heavily to the left and open racism is not only tolerated but encouraged. There are several posters on here that judge people simply by the color of their skin. That spout remarks degrading an entire population of people because they are white. It’s quite frankly amazing, and the antithesis of what the civil rights movement strived towards. The racism tolerated on here (and seemingly in society at large) is a slap in the face to all the hard work put in by the civil rights era activists. They wanted an equal and just society, many on here want a divided one.

Step me through it please cause I am not a smart man and do not understand your point here.
So, you are a white man and subjected to racism. Why is that a problem? Cause you want equal opportunity right? Equal to whom? Where are these people you want to be equal to? Black folk? Chinese folk? mmmm So maybe its not a race problem, it is a class problem, really? But even so, if you a subjected to classism, why do you keep voting people in that takes your money and gives it to the 1%, the very class that wants to keep you down and in your place? I cant find an angle in your arguments that produces valid logic to me, so help me out please?

 

[pmv]

This forum is an example of what I think you are trying to get at. It leans heavily to the left and open racism is not only tolerated but encouraged. There are several posters on here that judge people simply by the color of their skin. That spout remarks degrading an entire population of people because they are white. It’s quite frankly amazing, and the antithesis of what the civil rights movement strived towards. The racism tolerated on here (and seemingly in society at large) is a slap in the face to all the hard work put in by the civil rights era activists. They wanted an equal and just society, many on here want a divided one.

Love how this absurd post hilariously invokes real, painful and costly, struggles by people who knew what real racism is. Especially as it's a safe bet that most of those snowflake white people sharing this sentiment would have been on the wrong side in that particular fight - certainly I doubt any of them would have actually done anything useful to support it.

I just find it amazing the level of self-pity such posters display. Even if I try to be charitable and assume some of it is confused and displaced class-based upset, it's just hard to get over that amazement.

You _really_ feel your life is being adversely affected by those powerful black people who dominate US society? Honestly?

 

[cytg111]

I think I found the social oppressed white man.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/tr...ral-whites-a-carve-out-on-medicaid-work-rules

thank god someone is having his back!
(disclaimer, i am a white man so i might have a slight bias)

 

[fskimospy]

Love how this absurd post hilariously invokes real, painful and costly, struggles by people who knew what real racism is. Especially as it's a safe bet that most of those snowflake white people sharing this sentiment would have been on the wrong side in that particular fight - certainly I doubt any of them would have actually done anything useful to support it.

I just find it amazing the level of self-pity such posters display. Even if I try to be charitable and assume some of it is confused and displaced class-based upset, it's just hard to get over that amazement.

You _really_ feel your life is being adversely affected by those powerful black people who dominate US society? Honestly?

I know it seems like UglyCassanova must be a parody account or something but I’m pretty sure he believes it. There’s a significant strain of thought on the far right that liberals are the real racists and white conservatives are the oppressed.

It’s utterly insane, but it’s there. It’s because modern American conservatism relies on a victimhood mentality.

 

[senseamp]

Right wing horse manure regurgitated straight from National Review. A right wing SCOTUS gutted the voting rights act, but these morons are grasping for straws parsing words from old campaigns. And they are supposed to be the "intellectuals" of the right.

 

[Noah Abrams]

I would say there are two types of sin and guilt over it. In one case one can feel one has been sinful and worthy of punishment when that is just not the case. Unconscious people, how can they really be guilty of anything. A second kind of sin is where one has acted to avenge or to avoid one's inner pain. In this case unconsciousness has caused real harm. To remain unconscious of that fact one will deny one's guilt. To face it is to forego guilt in favor of taking responsibility. To be mentally healthy is to feel self worth and being worthy become one's paramount goal. To awaken is to act in the most worthwhile way one can because that is what love is.

The best way to know if grief has an end is to try it. To grieve is to heal. What more healing is there if you get well?

Moon, a slightly different question. When you do things like making coffee/tea, laundry, taking trash out of the can etc - are you mentally there, or is the mind somewhere else? I know you don't like the "how" question...ha....but I still wonder if you are there mentally, how does that happen....

 

[Moonbeam]

I know it seems like UglyCassanova must be a parody account or something but I’m pretty sure he believes it. There’s a significant strain of thought on the far right that liberals are the real racists and white conservatives are the oppressed.

It’s utterly insane, but it’s there. It’s because modern American conservatism relies on a victimhood mentality.

It’s Stockholm syndrome.

 

[Commodus]

It's still quaint how many conservative white people complain about supposed anti-white racism (not that it never exists, they just exaggerate it well beyond the reality) when it's patently obvious they've never gone through real racism or known someone who has. If they had to experience actual racism, they'd spend the rest of their lives curled up in the fetal position.

Real racism is being pulled over simply because you don't 'fit' in the neighborhood, and worrying whether or not you'll survive that stop. Real racism is store staff following you around on the assumption you'll shoplift... or, say, a coffee shop calling the police on you because you had the audacity to spend a couple minutes waiting for friends (but white people can stay for much longer). Real racism is a large group of people who genuinely want you dead or deported because of the color of your skin. And of course, real racism is a political body that wants to gut inner city educational and career opportunities while simultaneously removing anti-discrimination measures.

 

[brycejones]

It's still quaint how many conservative white people complain about supposed anti-white racism (not that it never exists, they just exaggerate it well beyond the reality) when it's patently obvious they've never gone through real racism or known someone who has. If they had to experience actual racism, they'd spend the rest of their lives curled up in the fetal position.

Real racism is being pulled over simply because you don't 'fit' in the neighborhood, and worrying whether or not you'll survive that stop. Real racism is store staff following you around on the assumption you'll shoplift... or, say, a coffee shop calling the police on you because you had the audacity to spend a couple minutes waiting for friends (but white people can stay for much longer). Real racism is a large group of people who genuinely want you dead or deported because of the color of your skin. And of course, real racism is a political body that wants to gut inner city educational and career opportunities while simultaneously removing anti-discrimination measures.

Real racism is a political party that looks at what voting options are most likely to get you to vote and then specifically targets to reduce or eliminate just those options in the name of "fairness".

 

[Moonbeam]

Moon, a slightly different question. When you do things like making coffee/tea, laundry, taking trash out of the can etc - are you mentally there, or is the mind somewhere else? I know you don't like the "how" question...ha....but I still wonder if you are there mentally, how does that happen....

Good grief. I am laying in bed on my left side holding my iPad. I just posted while thinking about this question. I scratched an itch, and have to keep my arm a bit raised to keep it from going to sleep. In the middle of my typing the sentence my iPad, a new one, died as it has been doing regularly. I’m wondering why and if or how I can fix that. I can write a page on the coffee I am about to get up to make and I’m having flashes of Subat a Turkish tv things I’ve been watching. The air feels cool on my bare chest and I can hear the world outside through am open window. You asked about garbage and I see grass and rocks on the path to it. Today is a good day for coffee. I buy fresh roasted 17 dollar a pound whole bean and grind it myself following a specific routine, but first I have to place my Italian stainless stove top espresso maker against my chest and twist off the top. I wash the grounds off usually after the faucet water is warm, run my fingernail around the gasket to remove stuck grounds, blow the old grounds out of the grounds thingi into a milk carton I save them in for gardening, and rinse and fill the bottom piece up to the steam safety valve, fill the grinds thingi from the grinder, in a complex and elaborate wat to insure they are nicely settled and of the proper amount. I tighten the parts against my chest, micro half and half for 30 seconds. Coffee will be ready in 7 minutes, but as I said, today is a good day. I have half a pot left from yesterday.

So what I notice is that as I do things there is a me that directs my actions, a me that may be thinking about something, how to answer this guestion, and a me that might be feeling something else. Sometimes we all do the same thing but usually run on different tracks.

So what I am doing is controlling my finger by paying attention to that, thinking out how to say what I want to say and being directed by the feeling, don’t look for something special about me. I find myself to be a programmed sleeping idiot, a fact that used to make me more sick than it does today. Sometimes I find myself funny. My analysis is that the universe hates me and constantly is out to get me. In return and in my defense, a curse and scream at everything. Fuck the tiger fuck the cliff, fuck the idiot that put me there on it. It is not who I am that matters to me but what died long ago and never came back. Out of utter darkness a tiny crack of light appeared that showed me that all of my deepest longings hopes and dreams were not dead as I had excepted, but had and would always be at source, within me. I myself may not be able to hold that door open every minute or even regularly, but I know it’s there in a way that needs no faith. The answers you seek are not in me but in yourself. Time for coffee.

 

[Jhhnn]

I know it seems like UglyCassanova must be a parody account or something but I’m pretty sure he believes it. There’s a significant strain of thought on the far right that liberals are the real racists and white conservatives are the oppressed.

It’s utterly insane, but it’s there. It’s because modern American conservatism relies on a victimhood mentality.

Indeed. Even right wing mega billionaires are victims to oh-so oppressive tax policy. You know- people whose lifestyles wouldn't change if they lost half of it all overnight & never showed a profit for the rest of their lives.

 

[bshole]

I believe that to be true now as well. This represents a rather large worldview change for me.

Some of my worldview change has come from conversations on this site but most has come from information that I have observed on youtube. It is the only platform I am aware of where unfiltered information can be garnered. One of the most devastating pieces was a speech given by John Pilger, perhaps the greatest living journalist in our time. His critique of the Western media is beyond scathing. It is an indictment of Western civilization itself. Watch the first three. They are the most spot on analysis I have seen in my lifetime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcAvyZpydNw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Pilger

Another devastating piece I observed was on the Jimmy Dore show covering a Council of Foreign Relations forum which included former state department hack and former Time Magazine editor Richard Stengel who said the following:

Basically every country creates their own narrative story. My old job at the State Department was what people used to joke the chief propagandist job. I’m not against propaganda, every country does it and they have to do it to their own population and I don’t necessarily think it’s that awful.

IF you are worried that I took the former editor of Time magazine out of context, I have provided video proof of those exact words coming out of his mouth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCQJm1B29p8

This same exact man had the audacity in 2016 to state in a Washington Post article:

Richard Stengel, the State Department’s undersecretary for public diplomacy, bluntly states the problem that has been worrying him and should worry us all: “In a global information war, how does the truth win?”

The very idea that the truth won’t be triumphant would, until recently, have been heresy to Stengel, a former managing editor of Time magazine. But in the nearly three years since he joined the State Department, Stengel has seen the rise of what he calls a “post-truth” world, where the facts are sometimes overwhelmed by propaganda from Russia and the Islamic State.

“We like to think that truth has to battle itself out in the marketplace of ideas. Well, it may be losing in that marketplace today,” Stengel warned in an interview. “Simply having fact-based messaging is not sufficient to win the information war.”

Stengel poses an urgent question for journalists, technologists and, more broadly, everyone living in free societies or aspiring to do so. How do we protect the essential resource of democracy — the truth — from the toxin of lies that surrounds it? It’s like a virus or food poisoning. It needs to be controlled. But how?

Stengel argues that the U.S. government should sometimes protect citizens by exposing “weaponized information, false information” that is polluting the ecosystem. But ultimately, the defense of truth must be independent of a government that many people mistrust. “There are inherent dangers in having the government be the verifier of last resort,” he argues.

This from a man who openly admits that he used propaganda and fake news while in government (and thinks it moral) and who also headed up a significant news outlet. Two years ago the idea of fake news was laughable to me. The mainstream medias actions in the past two years, the words coming from editors of that media and comments from academics and critical journalists have changed my mind. Richard, the TRUTH wins when editors and journalists tell it. Not only do you apparently NOT tell the TRUTH but I have no doubt you support the suppression of those that do.

I know there is a war on alternative news and that the EU may effectively kill it off completely in June by use of new draconian Fair Use laws and taxes on shared links. I fear that this same censorship is coming soon to America. There has been no better platform for real news in my lifetime than youtube. It puts you in touch with critical thinkers and scholars from around the world, it allows you a window into communities unparalled in human history. I hope it can survive.

 

[Jhhnn]

Some of my worldview change has come from conversations on this site but most has come from information that I have observed on youtube. It is the only platform I am aware of where unfiltered information can be garnered. One of the most devastating pieces was a speech given by John Pilger, perhaps the greatest living journalist in our time. His critique of the Western media is beyond scathing. It is an indictment of Western civilization itself. Watch the first three. They are the most spot on analysis I have seen in my lifetime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcAvyZpydNw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Pilger

Another devastating piece I observed was on the Jimmy Dore show covering a Council of Foreign Relations forum which included former state department hack and former Time Magazine editor Richard Stengel who said the following:

IF you are worried that I took the former editor of Time magazine out of context, I have provided video proof of those exact words coming out of his mouth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCQJm1B29p8

This same exact man had the audacity in 2016 to state in a Washington Post article:

This from a man who openly admits that he used propaganda and fake news while in government (and thinks it moral) and who also headed up a significant news outlet. Two years ago the idea of fake news was laughable to me. The mainstream medias actions in the past two years, the words coming from editors of that media and comments from academics and critical journalists have changed my mind. Richard, the TRUTH wins when editors and journalists tell it. Not only do you apparently NOT tell the TRUTH but I have no doubt you support the suppression of those that do.

I know there is a war on alternative news and that the EU may effectively kill it off completely in June by use of new draconian Fair Use laws and taxes on shared links. I fear that this same censorship is coming soon to America. There has been no better platform for real news in my lifetime than youtube. It puts you in touch with critical thinkers and scholars from around the world, it allows you a window into communities unparalled in human history. I hope it can survive.

Fake news is one kind of propaganda. Another kind is where the subject is presented in the most flattering light possible. There is a difference. You haven't shown that Stengel engaged in fake news.

YouTube? The signal to noise ratio is dismal. It's home to astounding bullshit artists like Stefan Molyneaux & many others.

 

[zinfamous]

Here's a bitter pill for you libs to swallow. Your lib elitist only care about black people and illegals because they see them as a potential voter block. If by some chance the black people in this country turn away from the dems and the illegals showed signs of not voting for dems if they were given the right, the lib elites would kick them to the curb and they'd steamroll over Trump to build the wall.

It's actually because they are humans like you and I, but continue to fellate yourself with an M-80 if it makes you happy, moron.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Some of my worldview change has come from conversations on this site but most has come from information that I have observed on youtube. It is the only platform I am aware of where unfiltered information can be garnered. One of the most devastating pieces was a speech given by John Pilger, perhaps the greatest living journalist in our time. His critique of the Western media is beyond scathing. It is an indictment of Western civilization itself. Watch the first three. They are the most spot on analysis I have seen in my lifetime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcAvyZpydNw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Pilger

Another devastating piece I observed was on the Jimmy Dore show covering a Council of Foreign Relations forum which included former state department hack and former Time Magazine editor Richard Stengel who said the following:

IF you are worried that I took the former editor of Time magazine out of context, I have provided video proof of those exact words coming out of his mouth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCQJm1B29p8

This same exact man had the audacity in 2016 to state in a Washington Post article:

This from a man who openly admits that he used propaganda and fake news while in government (and thinks it moral) and who also headed up a significant news outlet. Two years ago the idea of fake news was laughable to me. The mainstream medias actions in the past two years, the words coming from editors of that media and comments from academics and critical journalists have changed my mind. Richard, the TRUTH wins when editors and journalists tell it. Not only do you apparently NOT tell the TRUTH but I have no doubt you support the suppression of those that do.

I know there is a war on alternative news and that the EU may effectively kill it off completely in June by use of new draconian Fair Use laws and taxes on shared links. I fear that this same censorship is coming soon to America. There has been no better platform for real news in my lifetime than youtube. It puts you in touch with critical thinkers and scholars from around the world, it allows you a window into communities unparalled in human history. I hope it can survive.

You think YouTube is unfiltered information? I have zero clue why you believe its uniquely different from the plethora of other platforms that people can spout literally any fucking nonsense they want.

I'm not really sure why you think the part you quoted is some bombshell. Did you seriously not know that and think that only certain countries do that type of thing? That's not the issue, the issue is when its actually outright nefarious. There's a whole host of different types of propaganda. There's a bit of a difference between going "America is great, look at our GDP/capita!" and "the pure Aryans will rule for a thousand years, praise the Third Reich!" Both are propaganda, but one is obviously just a bit more extreme. And yes, the US has spread some heinous propaganda (Hitler modeled his own after America's various propaganda and other things, from stuff like what we did to the Native Americans and spun it like it wasn't straight up evil, to even simple shit like how we push school spirit - he literally sent Germans to observe American colleges to watch stuff like pep rallies because yes that type of shit actually does work on a lot of people), and certainly is not innocent of the nefarious aspects.

I don't think he outright claims to have used fake news (maybe he did, but based on the parts you quote, I don't think he's saying quite what you seem to think he is). Propaganda doesn't necessarily mean its not true. Yes, many that spread propaganda do lie, but there's shades of gray. I knew a shitload of people, that would directly benefit from it (that would be able to get subsidies and otherwise did not have any health insurance), that hated the ACA, because they are massively ignorant and just read shit like the fucking idiots that ran around screaming about death panels or even simply the mandate part ("what!?!?! They're going to make me pay for not having health care?!?!?). Even fairly objectively good things need to be marketed properly (see the American Civil Rights movement, they were keenly aware that they had to find the right way of reaching people; one somewhat well known situation is that they had tried sit-ins on buses prior to Rosa Parks, but it took people going "holy shit, they're really making this sweet old lady move to the back of the bus?!?"). Or another situation, like the JFK vs Nixon debates. The first one, Nixon had actually been in hospital, and so looked awful on TV. Its a situation where, normally you'd hate that people would choose the handsome guy, but in hindsight, we know Nixon was scummy as hell.

You're seriously wondering if the cesspool that is YouTube "intellectualism" will survive? I admire your optimism, and there is great content on YouTube, but I'm sorry, I just don't see these great intellectual discussions that you seem to think YouTube is chockful of (and sorry, nor do I see this great censorship/clampdown in the manner you seem to be saying is happening). And I know there's tons of people trying to spread heinous ideology on there, and think it has actually done far more to enable the latter.

You really seem to be going down a rabbit hole. Its like you're just now realizing that yes, everything is someone's agenda. The world is not binary yes/no, right/wrong, good/evil. Its good to question things, but realizing that you were manipulated doesn't necessarily mean it was bad (like how we've convinced people to value education, there is full on propaganda campaign, and some see it as a way of controlling people, either by brainwashing, or putting them in debt, or other things; the reality is, its because the government sees that educated people are more valuable, even in the literal sense - they bring in more money).

 

[pmv]

Some of my worldview change has come from conversations on this site but most has come from information that I have observed on youtube. It is the only platform I am aware of where unfiltered information can be garnered. One of the most devastating pieces was a speech given by John Pilger, perhaps the greatest living journalist in our time. His critique of the Western media is beyond scathing. It is an indictment of Western civilization itself. Watch the first three. They are the most spot on analysis I have seen in my lifetime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcAvyZpydNw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Pilger

Another devastating piece I observed was on the Jimmy Dore show covering a Council of Foreign Relations forum which included former state department hack and former Time Magazine editor Richard Stengel who said the following:

IF you are worried that I took the former editor of Time magazine out of context, I have provided video proof of those exact words coming out of his mouth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCQJm1B29p8

This same exact man had the audacity in 2016 to state in a Washington Post article:

This from a man who openly admits that he used propaganda and fake news while in government (and thinks it moral) and who also headed up a significant news outlet. Two years ago the idea of fake news was laughable to me. The mainstream medias actions in the past two years, the words coming from editors of that media and comments from academics and critical journalists have changed my mind. Richard, the TRUTH wins when editors and journalists tell it. Not only do you apparently NOT tell the TRUTH but I have no doubt you support the suppression of those that do.

I know there is a war on alternative news and that the EU may effectively kill it off completely in June by use of new draconian Fair Use laws and taxes on shared links. I fear that this same censorship is coming soon to America. There has been no better platform for real news in my lifetime than youtube. It puts you in touch with critical thinkers and scholars from around the world, it allows you a window into communities unparalled in human history. I hope it can survive.

I have mixed feelings about John Pilger. He's been around a long time, and I used to rate him quite highly, but over the years my opinion has changed. He might just be too old. He was a lone voice when uncovering the truth about East Timor, and reported honestly on Vietnam and later Camboda. But in my opinion he's gone too far into partisanship and over-statement recently. In particular he went a bit overboard during the Kosovo war (I war I was against, myself, but he over-egged the pudding, so to speak, pointlessly overstating the Serbs military performance) and most of all for me he's been way too keen on defending Wikileaks and Assange's dodgy personal behaviour.

I can't be bothered with YouTube for this sort of thing - it _is_ full of cranks and nutters, and besides a video is just not a way of conveying serious political analysis that inspires confidence. It's a format that lends itself to showmanship rather than content. Give me text!

 

[Amused]

YouTube: Where cults of personality and the power of persuasion rule over facts.

It's the used car dealer of information.

 

[bshole]

Looks like Assange is going to go down. Ecuador will probably turn him over within the week. The mainstream press will applaud it, American Republicans and Democrats will applaud it, England will applaud it. Can't have people exposing corruption in American political parties, that is just plain unacceptable in a "free" Western societies.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Looks like Assange is going to go down. Ecuador will probably turn him over within the week. The mainstream press will applaud it, American Republicans and Democrats will applaud it, England will applaud it. Can't have people exposing corruption in American political parties, that is just plain unacceptable in a "free" Western societies.

When do you start posting the full screen screeds filled with memes and YouTube "experts' expounding on different paranoid shit in their videos?

As for Assange, maybe he can make a break for the Russian embassy. I'm sure that Vladi would be willing to help one of his more valuable useful idiots. If we're lucky maybe he'll take Pammy with him.

 

[ivwshane]

When do you start posting the full screen screeds filled with memes and YouTube "experts' expounding on different paranoid shit in their videos?

As for Assange, maybe he can make a break for the Russian embassy. I'm sure that Vladi would be willing to help one of his more valuable useful idiots. If we're lucky maybe he'll take Pammy with him.

He already does. The guy is a fucking moron, looking for other fucking morons to be friends with. He's desperate to belong and the right wing nuttery will take in whoever they can get and so he's found a new home.










Bshole, isn't a moron but he does have some serious mental issues.

 

[Victorian Gray]

He already does. The guy is a fucking moron, looking for other fucking morons to be friends with. He's desperate to belong and the right wing nuttery will take in whoever they can get and so he's found a new home.










Bshole, isn't a moron but he does have some serious mental issues.

I don't think that he's a moron either. But he does seem to be starting down a rather twisty rabbit hole which I hate to see.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Both, and that is the whole point. While the poor white person might be more overtly racist, a poor white person cannot exert much socioeconomic influence.

The NIMBYist liberal eliticist however can block minorities from the schools, neighborhoods and resources that allow forward socioeconomic progress.

It’s not poor white people gentrifying neighborhoods, resisting integrated school busing programs or blocking low income housing. Sure, the elite use different arguments like infrastructure costs, economic burden, class size and housing prices, but the socioeconomic impact is far more profound and deliberate.

The Culture of the Smug White Liberal
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/11537306

Any of you liberals want to reply to this point? Or admit defeat because you're the type to do these very actions.

Point is spot on.

 

[ivwshane]

Any of you liberals want to reply to this point? Or admit defeat because you're the type to do these very actions.

Point is spot on.

Admit defeat? You mean recognize a very real issue that you've managed to concern troll people with?

Or were you talking about the safe space article?