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SP33Demon

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There are multiple reasons I have little patience with the elite liberals' supposed fight against racism. To be honest I probably have more time for the everyday racist than the sophisticated, highly educated, condescending, cynical, rich white liberal. The former at least has a measure of honesty about him. Not talking about you guys - this is just a forum and I don't know anybody. I am talking of my own life experiences and fortunately or unfortunately, I have known a wide variety of people of various ethnic and socioeconomic backgrounds. And among all these, the rich white man or woman (esp the liberal kind), I have tended to find the most unbearable.

So you drive around with Obama for President bumper sticker and you say this is about time we had a black man as President, but you treat that poor Nepali guy as dirt. And yet this is not how you are with the "important" people of your social circle. The recent hullabaloo in New York City among the enlightened and open minded liberals regarding the school changes - something like that would surprise you only if you are already not aware of this certain kind of liberal. I remember Haybusa here also mentioning this kind from his own experiences.

On the political level, I do not believe the left cares about the non-white people. It has been fully involved and complicit in the murder and oppression of hundreds of thousands of brown people all over the world. Something that continues to this day. But that is another topic entirely and I do not want to go there into it here...or the domestic policies which supposedly benefit non-white people as pushed by the left - that too is another topic.

This is about the actual racism. This notion that just because someone is a liberal politically that they are more open minded about race than a conservative, I find this to be utterly absurd. I have personally known the exact opposite so many times. Sure there are racist conservatives and not racist liberals. But this presumption, or notion that is pushed by the established media and what many people have come to believe - I think it is nonsense. As always, the world is not what is portrayed in the media, which have their own ax to grind - and more importantly, their own profits to consider.

Following are some examples of well known figures and politicians, but they just mirror the wider group. And the point I wish to make is most certainly not confined to humans in physical form (only) like The Mrs. Who Lost (Again) and their ilk.

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And here is Bill Clinton, describing Obama in 2010: “A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee.”

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Remember in 2008, in one of her earlier incarnations, a once national-populist Hillary Clinton was running against Obama by galvanizing the so-called white working classes. Often, she was not shy about saying so: “I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on,” Clinton bragged. As evidence, she cited an Associated Press story that found, in her words, “how Senator Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me.”

“There’s a pattern emerging here,” she concluded.

There is.

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Joe Biden’s putdown of Barack Obama in 2008 apparently was xeroxed by liberal icon and former senator Harry Reid, who likewise dismissed Obama as a veritable racial chameleon, a “light-skinned African with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.”

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Also, when one by act and deed demonstrates more comfortability with one’s own tribe, that de facto apartheid can be hard to turn on and off. In contrast, a white truck driver who lives with Mexican Americans, or a Mexican-American carpenter who lives in a working-class neighborhood of whites, realizes there are consequences to racialist slurs. And they are not confined to Twitter virtue-signaling or Internet mobbing but often are muscular and can be dangerous.

I have found race, class, and gender tensions far greater at Stanford University than in San Joaquin Valley rural communities, where difference is incidental and not so essential to one’s person. Perhaps the reason is that people share a lower middle-class existence, or that muscular work tends to outweigh rhetoric and abstraction. When one works and lives alongside someone of a different appearance, there is no need or time or affluence to create a façade of identity politics.


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Welcome to the red pill, sir. Enlightening, isn't it? I moved to a rural mostly white/Trump supporter area. I'm not white. They accepted me with open arms and wave to me every time I drive by. They babysit my kids and invite us to dinner. We've gone fishing on their boat. My other neighbor, he helped fix my car rotor. Another neighbor, an 80yr old retiree, offered to cut down my tree branches that were going into his yard and mows half my lawn for free sometimes. All white baby boomers or older, all nice as hell to me and my family. Hell the other day once they found out I was a Trump supporter we shot the shit for 3 hours (didn't mean to be over there that long lol) over some iced tea after mowing our lawns. Just sitting in chairs under their carport. I'm truly living the american dream: great schools, low crime, not a ton of traffic, and friendly neighbors. All in Trumpland.

The Dems want you to label people, put them in a box, and dehumanize you if you don't believe what they want you to. In fact, they will try to silence you eventually if they get their way and you see it here on these forums often since it's a leftist echo chamber where everything is about race, political affiliation, and Trump. It's quite hilarious to watch but I blame a lot of it on the media for brainwashing these poor souls. If they lived in my neighborhood, I'd invite them to dinner and kill em with kindness unless they give me reason not to. Obama may have reinforced identity politics in them but it's still reversible with time.
 

SP33Demon

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This forum is an example of what I think you are trying to get at. It leans heavily to the left and open racism is not only tolerated but encouraged. There are several posters on here that judge people simply by the color of their skin. That spout remarks degrading an entire population of people because they are white. It’s quite frankly amazing, and the antithesis of what the civil rights movement strived towards. The racism tolerated on here (and seemingly in society at large) is a slap in the face to all the hard work put in by the civil rights era activists. They wanted an equal and just society, many on here want a divided one.
Sounds like you're disparaging the mods by claiming racism is tolerated and encouraged? Do you know how to Report a post? It's not that hard. Let them decide, they're usually fair.
 

HomerJS

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Want to see for yourself what bullshit the claim of "racism equal on both sides" is?

Just google "racist political ads" and "anti-Semitic political ads". Do the count for yourself
 

mect

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Both, and that is the whole point. While the poor white person might be more overtly racist, a poor white person cannot exert much socioeconomic influence.

The NIMBYist liberal eliticist however can block minorities from the schools, neighborhoods and resources that allow forward socioeconomic progress.

It’s not poor white people gentrifying neighborhoods, resisting integrated school busing programs or blocking low income housing. Sure, the elite use different arguments like infrastructure costs, economic burden, class size and housing prices, but the socioeconomic impact is far more profound and deliberate.

The Culture of the Smug White Liberal
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/11537306
Any of you liberals want to reply to this point? Or admit defeat because you're the type to do these very actions.

Point is spot on.

I agree this is an issue. I disagree that it is unique to elite liberals. I'd say it is particular to the elites in general. However, I do agree that liberals shoulder more of the blame considering equality is a major point of their platform. At the same time, while liberal elites may not want these individuals in their schools and neighborhoods, they do at least fight for legislation which provides resources for these populations to improve their status, so I do think this provides some level of redemption for them.
 

SP33Demon

Lifer
Jun 22, 2001
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I agree this is an issue. I disagree that it is unique to elite liberals. I'd say it is particular to the elites in general. However, I do agree that liberals shoulder more of the blame considering equality is a major point of their platform. At the same time, while liberal elites may not want these individuals in their schools and neighborhoods, they do at least fight for legislation which provides resources for these populations to improve their status, so I do think this provides some level of redemption for them.
They do? What about Chicago?
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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Any of you liberals want to reply to this point? Or admit defeat because you're the type to do these very actions.

Point is spot on.

Did you read the article? Her complaint digresses into agnst towards elites, whom she says wear a liberal cloak to feel better about themselves.

My opinion of her opinion is that some of her frustration points carry merit. Such as the systemic racism in our prison systems, and especially privatized prisons.

Or that policies can have unintended consequences, we see that on a regular basis.

Elites are smug, that's for damn sure, but it's not an inherent trait of liberal policies or demeanor. She's not comparing and contrasting to Republicans, at all.

Such as this: "My problem with Liberalism is that it’s more concerned with policing people’s language and thoughts without requiring them to do anything to fix the problem."

I mean, really, she's just slapping a label on a problem and blaming that label. I haven't seen anything from republicans that would approach a problem like that. I can't really see how there would be, without introducing early interventions in a child's development to curb such behavior deemed negative enough for that.

Yet, that's the very thing she's complaining about liberals doing.

This one I especially liked:

"White Liberals have hijacked the conversation about diversity, political correctness and what topics we should be outraged about. When a terrorist attack occurs the media and liberals rightly remind us that it’s unfair to judge an entire religion by the actions of a small minority, but I haven’t heard similar unequivocal statements made in the media about the African-American community being unfairly judged by the negative actions of a few."

Really? Lol ok...

Anyways, in summary...she seems like she's met some assholes, and I don't know those people, I'm not elite enough , and it's not like republicans are lining up to tackle any of those challenges, tax cuts for the wealthy, it'll trickle down, how dare you want affordable healthcare, the list goes on...etc....right out of the playbook
 
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Did you read the article? Her complaint digresses into agnst towards elites, whom she says wear a liberal cloak to feel better about themselves.

My opinion of her opinion is that some of her frustration points carry merit. Such as the systemic racism in our prison systems, and especially privatized prisons.

Or that policies can have unintended consequences, we see that on a regular basis.

Elites are smug, that's for damn sure, but it's not an inherent trait of liberal policies or demeanor. She's not comparing and contrasting to Republicans, at all.

Such as this: "My problem with Liberalism is that it’s more concerned with policing people’s language and thoughts without requiring them to do anything to fix the problem."

I mean, really, she's just slapping a label on a problem and blaming that label. I haven't seen anything from republicans that would approach a problem like that. I can't really see how there would be, without introducing early interventions in a child's development to curb such behavior deemed negative enough for that.

Yet, that's the very thing she's complaining about liberals doing.

This one I especially liked:

"White Liberals have hijacked the conversation about diversity, political correctness and what topics we should be outraged about. When a terrorist attack occurs the media and liberals rightly remind us that it’s unfair to judge an entire religion by the actions of a small minority, but I haven’t heard similar unequivocal statements made in the media about the African-American community being unfairly judged by the negative actions of a few."

Really? Lol ok...

Anyways, in summary...she seems like she's met some assholes, and I don't know those people, I'm not elite enough , and it's not like republicans are lining up to tackle any of those challenges, tax cuts for the wealthy, it'll trickle down, how dare you want affordable healthcare, the list goes on...etc....right out of the playbook

Here's a bit more:

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-donald-trump-still-winning-america-nikki-johnson-huston
 

Starbuck1975

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I agree this is an issue. I disagree that it is unique to elite liberals. I'd say it is particular to the elites in general. However, I do agree that liberals shoulder more of the blame considering equality is a major point of their platform. At the same time, while liberal elites may not want these individuals in their schools and neighborhoods, they do at least fight for legislation which provides resources for these populations to improve their status, so I do think this provides some level of redemption for them.
Here is where I disagree. The resources provided through government assistance is a pittance compared to the resources they’ve hoarded for themselves, and after decades of such legislation, its not moved the needle. If anything, the wealth disparity has gotten worse and more pronounced.

Whether through job creators or government programs, its still just a trickle.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Here is where I disagree. The resources provided through government assistance is a pittance compared to the resources they’ve hoarded for themselves, and after decades of such legislation, its not moved the needle. If anything, the wealth disparity has gotten worse and more pronounced.

Whether through job creators or government programs, its still just a trickle.

You're not really disagreeing with him, just restating the observation in a way that infers republicans have had no choice in the matter.
 
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HomerJS

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Any of you liberals want to reply to this point? Or admit defeat because you're the type to do these very actions.

Point is spot on.
I will...

The election of Donald Trump belies your point. Why, because there are enough of them where the GOP indulges their lowest instinct.
 
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She pretty much nailed why I voted for Bernie Sanders....I'm not convinced Trump is the person she perceives.

I'm damn sure he isn't. He really is what you see. He's a wannabe 'Strong Man'. And in a number of ways he's actually getting away with it. The courts are getting stacked. the reputations of America's legal and security institutions are being trashed. It took him a bit over a year but he managed to get rid of pretty much every 'establishment' aids/advisors/etc. and surround himself with yes men and women. He does a great job of playing the media over most issues. His base loves him even more. He's destroying established political/military/economic alliances. I think I'll leave it there.

Thankfully he's incredibly ignorant and that keeps him from doing more serious damage. At least for the time being.
 
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fskimospy

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Any of you liberals want to reply to this point? Or admit defeat because you're the type to do these very actions.

Point is spot on.

Exclusionary housing policies are things that rich people do, not just rich liberal people. I think anti-development people who claim to be liberal are hypocrites but to paint this as some sort of problem with liberals as opposed to a problem with rich people is pretty wrong.

Also, gentrification is a dumb term. All it really represents is the cascading migration that comes from failed housing policy.
 

Starbuck1975

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Exclusionary housing policies are things that rich people do, not just rich liberal people. I think anti-development people who claim to be liberal are hypocrites but to paint this as some sort of problem with liberals as opposed to a problem with rich people is pretty wrong.

Also, gentrification is a dumb term. All it really represents is the cascading migration that comes from failed housing policy.
Except that exclusionary housing policies are most pronounced in the urban, vibrant, productive parts of the country, which are primarily under the domain of liberal governance.
 

fskimospy

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Except that exclusionary housing policies are most pronounced in the urban, vibrant, productive parts of the country, which are primarily under the domain of liberal governance.

That’s where they are felt most acutely because demand for housing is highest. I assure you that rich conservative areas have no interest in the poor or minorities living there either and also have highly restrictive housing policies.

I grew up next to the Main Line and when I was a kid that area was dominated by Republicans. Let’s just say they weren’t clamoring to upzone the housing there.
 

fskimospy

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As I think others have said I think this problem is more meaningful among liberals because exclusionary housing policy runs contrary to their ideals and so they are hypocrites. If your problem is just exclusionary housing though rest assured that rich conservatives are also very happy to keep you out of their neighborhood.

If I had my preferences we would be building a bunch of 50 story condo towers in Park Slope instead of across the park in Lefferts Gardens but sadly rich people have an outsized say in government, especially local government. That’s why we think ‘preserving the character of the neighborhood’ is more important than, you know, having places for people to live.
 

mect

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That’s where they are felt most acutely because demand for housing is highest. I assure you that rich conservative areas have no interest in the poor or minorities living there either and also have highly restrictive housing policies.

I grew up next to the Main Line and when I was a kid that area was dominated by Republicans. Let’s just say they weren’t clamoring to upzone the housing there.
Yep. Where my parents live, the minimum lot size is 1/2 an acre precisely for this reason.
 

HomerJS

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This kind of thinking is what got us Donald Trump
Trump campaign "fear of brown people" and racial resentment are some of the factors that got us Donald Trump

Do you remember birtherism?
Do you remember the escalator ride and talk of all the "rapists and murderers" from Mexico?

This falls right in line with his bumbling of the Charlottesville response. Any one of us who is of upstanding character could have easily replied to those events. However Trump in his mind doesn't want to piss off his base and a large portion of them are comprised from those Tiki carrying bigots. That got us the "both sides" word salad.

That makes Trump an elite racist.
 

fskimospy

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Can't force people to write his name or check it off. The people voted for him bear the responsibility that goes with it.

Exactly, the argument that liberals are to blame for Donald Trump is ridiculous and paternalistic. The people who voted for Donald Trump are responsible for Donald Trump, not the people who didn't vote for them.

Conservatives have agency, just like liberals. They chose to exercise it poorly.
 
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