The end of Mitsubishi? Fuel economy cheating scandal, company on brink of collapse

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jacktesterson

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They definitely made dozens of good cars in the past. I think they dropped the evo and colt due to ongoing efforts to become SUV/Offroad automaker only.

I have a 2011 Endeavor SUV

It's built like a tank. It still looks like a brand new vehicle. Such a great vehicle for Canadian climate.
 

Achtung!

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I have a 2011 Endeavor SUV

It's built like a tank. It still looks like a brand new vehicle. Such a great vehicle for Canadian climate.

Is it reliable though? I wouldn't think so.

Mitsubishi cars are the only brand that Japanese people avoid buying due to poor safety.
 

jacktesterson

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Is it reliable though? I wouldn't think so.

Mitsubishi cars are the only brand that Japanese people avoid buying due to poor safety.

Why wouldn't you think so? Safety doesn't equal reliability.

The powertrain used in this vehicle is solid as a rock.
 

Achtung!

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Why wouldn't you think so? Safety doesn't equal reliability.

The powertrain used in this vehicle is solid as a rock.

Safety doesn't equal reliability? You couldn't be more incorrect.

I think you meant safety doesn't equal reliability of the engine/powertrain.

But safety has A LOT to do with reliability and I would think that most people would place safety as their top priority when purchasing a car.

Mitsubishi Motors in Illinois is officially closed

The Japanese automaker said it decided to close the plant because of diminishing sales. Production at the plant fell to 64,000 vehicles from more than 200,000 in 2002. The facility was one of the largest employers in the Bloomington-Normal area.

Mitsubishi used to have some sales in the US and now they're almost non-existent.
 

jacktesterson

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Safety doesn't equal reliability? You couldn't be more incorrect.

I think you meant safety doesn't equal reliability of the engine/powertrain.

But safety has A LOT to do with reliability and I would think that most people would place safety as their top priority when purchasing a car.



Mitsubishi used to have some sales in the US and now they're almost non-existent.

How does safety = reliability?

I'm not being ignorant here, but I fail to see the connection. A car can be reliable without having top safety scores. They are 2 different things.

Yes having a "safer" car is a good thing, but safety scores means nothing when your broke down on the side of a highway. My other vehicle, a Chev Equinox, has good saftey scores, but it's still a pile of poop when it comes to reliability.
 

gorcorps

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Safety doesn't equal reliability? You couldn't be more incorrect.

I think you meant safety doesn't equal reliability of the engine/powertrain.

But safety has A LOT to do with reliability and I would think that most people would place safety as their top priority when purchasing a car.



Mitsubishi used to have some sales in the US and now they're almost non-existent.

I don't understand what you're getting at either. The Jeep Grand Cherokee I had suffered from a lot of electrical problems, enough that I'd consider it unreliable. However it was perfectly safe. I was involved in a severe accident and all of the airbags deployed, I walked away unharmed. There's some connection to safety and reliability, but it's not the same thing. A car can behave excellent in a collision, yet not be trusted to start every time... see the difference?
 

Bryf50

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Mitsubishi used to have some sales in the US and now they're almost non-existent.

For some reason they decided to let their highest selling models rot. Galants and Lancers were some of the most common cars I would see on the road. The Galant from 2004 was still being sold in 2012 and the current Lancer is pretty much on it's 10th anniversary from when it was designed.
 

ElFenix

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Mitsubishi went from being one of the most popular car brands in the US to almost non-existent.

mitsubishi USA only got those sales highs because the whole thing was set up as a tote the note lot. lots of loans to people who couldn't pay. but, unlike a tote the note place which is at double-digit interest rates, mitsubishi was doing 0 for forever. basically, new cars for people who couldn't get credit, at rates that were unjustifiably low.
 

Torn Mind

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Safety is the vehicle protecting its occupants from mortality and morbidity. This is typically at the expense of everything outside the car, be it sheet metal, organisms like deer or trees, or even other humans.

Reliability is the vehicle's systems and individual items not failing. And normally, it's about the systems that get the car moving or creature comforts you cannot live without(AC).

Where safety and reliability meet are in systems like the air bag system or the longevity of components in the suspension, etc.

As far as safety goes, civilian cars and trucks are laughably vulnerable compared to armored vehicles.
 

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Safety is the vehicle protecting its occupants from mortality and morbidity. This is typically at the expense of everything outside the car, be it sheet metal, organisms like deer or trees, or even other humans.

Reliability is the vehicle's systems and individual items not failing. And normally, it's about the systems that get the car moving or creature comforts you cannot live without(AC).

Where safety and reliability meet are in systems like the air bag system or the longevity of components in the suspension, etc.

As far as safety goes, civilian cars and trucks are laughably vulnerable compared to armored vehicles.

Yet armored vehicles can't be compared to cars.

It's like comparing a car to a house.

Doesn't make any logical sense to make an analogous comparison.
 
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Torn Mind

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Yet armored vehicles can't be compared to cars.

It's like comparing a car to a house.

Doesn't make any logical sense to make an analogous comparison.

The armored vehicles comment was a humorous tangent just to point out that "safety" applies to crashes but not being shot at or other things that could be considered safe. Apparently, you ignored everything that actually was relevant to the discussion of safety vs reliability.

As in, the first three paragraphs.

I don't know what to call that but disgraceful disrespect.
 
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monkeydelmagico

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It's a shame really. They had a chance at greatness in the early 2000's. The evo was a halo hit, pajero/montero was selling well globally and could have been a U.S. success, mirage was a solid entry level econobox, galant was a family sedan contender, and eclipse was....already a bloated pig.

Unfortunately they let every one of their vehicles go stale with refresh cycles of 6-10 years. Fast forward a decade and you've got Hyundai and Kia eating Mitsu alive.

With only one new design on the lot in the Outlander they are in the deathwatch category.
 

Achtung!

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It's a shame really. They had a chance at greatness in the early 2000's. The evo was a halo hit, pajero/montero was selling well globally and could have been a U.S. success, mirage was a solid entry level econobox, galant was a family sedan contender, and eclipse was....already a bloated pig.

Unfortunately they let every one of their vehicles go stale with refresh cycles of 6-10 years. Fast forward a decade and you've got Hyundai and Kia eating Mitsu alive.

With only one new design on the lot in the Outlander they are in the deathwatch category.

It will only get worse as the yen is now rising which makes Japanese cars more expensive in the US.
 

Raduque

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Damn. My mom literally just bought a '15 Lancer (in February, at a fairly steep discount). I guess the time is right to trade it in August for a Genesis Coupe.
 

Achtung!

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Damn. My mom literally just bought a '15 Lancer (in February, at a fairly steep discount). I guess the time is right to trade it in August for a Genesis Coupe.

Mitsubishi's reliability has been sinking too according to the 2016 IQS Study.
 
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