The End of PC Gaming has started

[EpsiIon]

Originally posted by: BatmanNate
I'm still waiting for that data to back up your arguments.

Same here, JASANITY you tool. If you were more than 12 years old, you may have realized that people have been singing your tune since the days of the N64. Your thoughts are not original, you're not clever, and you're certainly not correct.

Either post hard facts or accept the fact that BatmanNate owned you. Or don't. Ignoring the truth is a common tactic for trolls like you.

Sorry if I come off as a little harsh. That's easy to do with blindly arrogant people.

 

[PsharkJF]

Originally posted by: JASANITY

Originally posted by: PsharkJF
If you really think every PC gamer spends Alienware-esque prices on their upgrades, you're delusional.


Edit: By the way, I wouldn't expect you to know a thing about programming, so I'll enlighten you. If you forced everyone to be using the same hardware (like consoles).. then, my friend, you would truly see how much more powerful a pc is then your $400 heating element on the floor next to you.

Haha, I don't think you know anything about programming. By having a standard hardware set, programmers can maximize software for that hardware. That is why there are smoother framerates/higher quality/ and higher res graphics on something like an xbox 360 compared to your PC.

Bahahaha. Now I've seen it all.

Please explain to me how a standard TV set (i.e. - what most of your XBOX360 buyers have) renders at 1280x1024x32 @ 75Hz.
Please provide information as to how many households possess high-defintion TVs. (Here's a hint: Not many. Considering the government won't shut of analog transmissions until at least 2010-15..)

Plus, guy, when a developer recieves a standardized hardware set, his developments make it (the hardware) no faster or slower. The hardware is inferior and will continue to be so throughout its lifetime. Psst: X1800 eclipses the Xenos, and X1800 was released first. Ouch.

the only way to keep steady framerates to keep up with a console is to buy alienware upgrades...

No wait, now I've seen it all.

Wrong. The usual sole determinant of pc gaming performance is the video card - NOT the processor, NOT the ram, NOT the motherboard. Which, consequently, can be bought for around the price of your 360. For 400 dollars, I can get something that's more capable in gaming than your space heater.

Oh, and in case you'll find something wrong about either of these, let's go into economics:

a) Do you really think the videocard in a console is worth more than 50% of its sale price? Obviously not, this would drive up the price of the console as a whole and the average (illiterate) user, (you), wouldn't notice any change.
b) Do you really think the consoles are money makers? Obviously not. The games don't sell unless the console is in people's hands. Without quality games, the consoles don't sell. The obvious buying pattern is people "buy the console for the games" not the other way around.

You obviously don't read anandtech if you think this is true:
Alienware PCs are genuinely worth what they charge.

Wrong. You're paying for the brand plus the hardware. You can make yourself an alienware quality pc for about half of what they'll charge you for it.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: JASANITY
Well, as I called several months ago, the end of PC gaming has arrived. With these next generation systems, they have now made the PC obsolete to play games on. The PC game market may have a few MMORPG, but other than that its over. The only thing a PC is useful for now is Office work and maybe some TV. Of course the TV part will be obsolete once HD's come down in price.

Yes, a console with 512MB of shared memory certainly has enough firepower to out texture a PC with 1250+.

Oh but wait "optimization" can cut texture sizes in half.


Lets not even talk about how thats gonna effect clip planes, LOD dropoff, load times and the frequency of them, and more.

PC gaming will be exactly the same, for exactly the same reasons. Hell, this is the 1st time in a while that the PC outguns a next gen console at its debut.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: JASANITY

Originally posted by: stinger25
Hasn't this same rhetorical bs been spouted before with the announcments of the previous consoles? And yet, PC games reign supreme...

With every console release, a gaming market segment for the PC has died every time(Sports, original role player, adventure, etc.) Now all gaming segments will be overcome other than MMORPG's, but all Xbox needs is the Keyboard/mouse add-on I've been rooting for for years.

Ever try to play wow on 300MB of ram?

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: JASANITY

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: JASANITY
Well, as I called several months ago, the end of PC gaming has arrived. With these next generation systems, they have now made the PC obsolete to play games on. The PC game market may have a few MMORPG, but other than that its over. The only thing a PC is useful for now is Office work and maybe some TV. Of course the TV part will be obsolete once HD's come down in price.

i doubt any consoles can make a true FPS...

Have you seen Call of Duty? Combine that with the Xbox Live community, I would say the next gen of FPS has come out. Also, people who play FPS on Xbox or better than PC FPS gamers

Textures are gutted, and you can tell.

 

[meltdown75]

pfft. sit back and giggle at your post, troll.

 

[jEnus]

You, Sir, are an idiot.

 

[Busithoth]

Jasanity, enjoy your world. it sure must be wonderful.

piss-poor effort at flamebait, though.

 

[Fingolfin269]

It doesn't take a large amount of intelligence to see that the PC market is dwindling. Just walk into your local EB, or other game specialty shop, and notice the shelf space reserved for PC titles. Hell, the space is even slightly smaller than it appears since each title is in a box roughly the size of 2-3 console title cases. Hell, my Gamestop doesn't even carry PC games.

PC gaming will probably never completely die but I think it's safe to say that it is more of a niche gaming group now than ever before.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: PsharkJF

Originally posted by: JASANITY

Originally posted by: PsharkJF
Please provide information as to how many households possess high-defintion TVs. (Here's a hint: Not many. Considering the government won't shut of analog transmissions until at least 2010-15.

Well, the reverse of that is 'tell me how many households possess computers capable of rendering Xbox360 graphics'. I know, irl, maybe 3 people out of 100 who could throw in a brand new game and play it at a reasonable res/detail level. The other 97 are content with their console.

Hell, now that I think about it, I know more people with high dollar television/home theater setups than I do people with computers good enough to do more than web browse. Actually, I think everyone I know, other than my parents and others in their age bracket, has a HD set

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: JASANITY
Well, as I called several months ago, the end of PC gaming has arrived. With these next generation systems, they have now made the PC obsolete to play games on. The PC game market may have a few MMORPG, but other than that its over. The only thing a PC is useful for now is Office work and maybe some TV. Of course the TV part will be obsolete once HD's come down in price.

i doubt any consoles can make a true FPS...

ahhh... HALO HALO ! idiot ! no i am kidding on idiot bit but my fav fps goes like this :
DOOM 2 > QUAKE > HALF LIFE EX > DEUS > HALO > BF1942 > COD > Riddick escape from butcher bay >>>
Before you start bashing me over why i liked halo ! 1st you need to own 12 different console and played games for atleast 6 years plus and have played old games dating back to 1989ish

 

[aLeoN]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
It doesn't take a large amount of intelligence to see that the PC market is dwindling. Just walk into your local EB, or other game specialty shop, and notice the shelf space reserved for PC titles. Hell, the space is even slightly smaller than it appears since each title is in a box roughly the size of 2-3 console title cases. Hell, my Gamestop doesn't even carry PC games.

PC gaming will probably never completely die but I think it's safe to say that it is more of a niche gaming group now than ever before.

You can't assume the PC market is dwindling by going to a local EB/GameStop. I for one work in a GameStop and I know 2 reasons why we might be low/out of PC games from time to time.

1) They're such good sellers, we can't restock in time. Take for example WoW, HL2, GW, and many, many others.

2) Do you know how these 2 (well one now since we bought EB) companies make money? We buy back console accessories and games and resell them a few bucks cheaper than the new product. You can't do that with PC games because they have cd-keys/serial-keys and registration what-nots that could potentially not guarantee gameplay by just physically checking the disc. Therefore, the company does not push too many PC game sales as selling brand new products doesn't boost profit that much, if at all.

...and that's why you can't say the market is dwindling by going to your local EB/GameStop.

 

[aLeoN]

Edit: Connection crapped out, sorry about double post.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: aLeoN

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
It doesn't take a large amount of intelligence to see that the PC market is dwindling. Just walk into your local EB, or other game specialty shop, and notice the shelf space reserved for PC titles. Hell, the space is even slightly smaller than it appears since each title is in a box roughly the size of 2-3 console title cases. Hell, my Gamestop doesn't even carry PC games.

PC gaming will probably never completely die but I think it's safe to say that it is more of a niche gaming group now than ever before.

You can't assume the PC market is dwindling by going to a local EB/GameStop. I for one work in a GameStop and I know 2 reasons why we might be low/out of PC games from time to time.

1) They're such good sellers, we can't restock in time. Take for example WoW, HL2, GW, and many, many others.

2) Do you know how these 2 (well one now since we bought EB) companies make money? We buy back console accessories and games and resell them a few bucks cheaper than the new product. You can't do that with PC games because they have cd-keys/serial-keys and registration what-nots that could potentially not guarantee gameplay by just physically checking the disc. Therefore, the company does not push too many PC game sales as selling brand new products doesn't boost profit that much, if at all.

...and that's why you can't say the market is dwindling by going to your local EB/GameStop.

If you work for EB/Gamestop do you happen to have sales figures at your store for consoles vs. PC? What's the revenue increase/decrease for each section over the last few years at your location? You're right, a quick inspection of store inventory is not necessarily a definitive indicator that the market is going downhill but I'm sure the numbers won't lie.

I also get the feeling that I don't see nearly the number of different titles on PC shelves as I once did 5-10 years ago. I pretty much know exactly what PC game I'm buying before I even walk into the store since so few of them come out each week. On the other hand I may impulse buy a console game.

 

[misterj]

history repeats itself. you guys must be real younguns. or toddleruns.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: misterj
history repeats itself. you guys must be real younguns. or toddleruns.

Because everything is so black and white.

 

[r0bVious]

I'd just like to say I've been playing X360 games on my computer for the last two months at higher resolutions and smoother framerates.

*Shrug*

Tell PC gaming is dying to the boys and girls of any of the parties on http://www.lanparty.org/ .

PC Gaming is growing, alongside video gaming period. The shift is that people like Uncle Bob and Grandpa have stopped buying bullshit like DeerHunter. People are truely gaming now.

::: I'd like to add this: http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/23/138200&tid=128&tid=211&tid=10

...just because consoles are becoming PCs doesn't mean "PC gaming is dying" ;p

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: JASANITY
Well, as I called several months ago, the end of PC gaming has arrived. With these next generation systems, they have now made the PC obsolete to play games on. The PC game market may have a few MMORPG, but other than that its over. The only thing a PC is useful for now is Office work and maybe some TV. Of course the TV part will be obsolete once HD's come down in price.

i doubt any consoles can make a true FPS...

ahhh... HALO HALO ! idiot ! no i am kidding on idiot bit but my fav fps goes like this :
DOOM 2 > QUAKE > HALF LIFE EX > DEUS > HALO > BF1942 > COD > Riddick escape from butcher bay >>>
Before you start bashing me over why i liked halo ! 1st you need to own 12 different console and played games for atleast 6 years plus and have played old games dating back to 1989ish

I have played Commadore, ColecoVision, ATARI 2600/7800/Jaguar, NES, SNES, N64,Gamecube, Gamboy Classic/Color/Advance, Sega Master/Genesis/CD/32X/Saturn/Dreamcast, Playstation 1/2, XBox 1 and even the NeoGeo home system. Started on consoles back in 83, when I was just a whipper-snapper.
On the computer I have played such FPS's as Woldfenstein3D, Doom 1/2/3, Duke 3D, Alice, AvP 1 and 2, Armed and Dangerous, All the Battlefields, BREED, Chrome, Call of Duty, all the counterstrikes, Devastation, Deus Ex (even though thats closer to RPG), Far Cry, Halo, Hitman, All the Dark Forces and Jedi Knights, Joint Ops, Max Payne 1/2, No one lives forever 1/2, Painkiller, Quake 1/2/3/4, Red Faction 1/2, Return to castle wolfenstein, Serious Sam 1st/2nd/2, All the Tribes, Tron 2.0, ALL the Unreals, Undying, Universal Combat, and most recently, FEAR.

In case I didnt make it clear in the previous two paragraphs, I have plenty of video game experience. True, it makes me a super-nerd. But only nerds could have a conversation like this anyway.

Out of all the above mentioned games, the console ports are horrible. The most notible offender being Deus Ex, which is nothing like the Windows version. HALO is a rotten game no matter how its played, although I do find it easier to aim with the mouse. The graphics are also better on a computer but since I hate the game it doesnt matter. Despite being a rip-off I found BREED to be more fun than HALO.
I feel sorry for all the folks that think HALO is a really good game. I guess since they are so lacking in experience it would seem like fun, they just dont know any better. Which is also why the James Bond games are so popular. We've been doing 16 player shooters since the DOS days. And that was everyone playing with their own monitor at 640x480 resolution. I find it amusing so many folks thought they "discovered" something new when they did multiplayer in one quarter of a TV screen, which works out to about 80x60 pixels each.
I like HALO for one reason only. It helps to keep people off of the other FPS game servers.

 

[ZL1]

Originally posted by: JASANITY
Well, as I called several months ago, the end of PC gaming has arrived. With these next generation systems, they have now made the PC obsolete to play games on. The PC game market may have a few MMORPG, but other than that its over. The only thing a PC is useful for now is Office work and maybe some TV. Of course the TV part will be obsolete once HD's come down in price.

Im not one to argue on forums, but in this case I must say - please speak for yourself !

D

 

[Queasy]

Oh well. Guess I better go take the old smith & wesson to my PC then.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: JASANITY

Originally posted by: BatmanNate

Originally posted by: JASANITY

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: BatmanNate
Do you have any objective data to back up your wild estimations of shifting market share? Do you have any objective data to back up your claims that console FPS gamers are somehow innately more skilled? Do you have anything other than a baselessly subjective and not to mention ludicrous opinion that even a mongloid miscreant would be ashamed to vocalize?

pwned

Do you have any "objective data" to go against my stance? Instead of being a mindless quoter, quoting a mindless user, come up with something with substance. My argument is rooted in common benefits for the consumer, not "hurt PC user feelings"

You're clearly uneducated when it comes to simple logic. When you make a wildly perceived claim, the burden of proof is on you. It's as simple as that, because frankly, the rest of us have been hearing your sermon since through the days of the atari, the nintendo, the sega, the playstation, the xbox, and now the latest and greatest. I hate to break it to you, but console technology is trickled down from PC technology, and is sold to be more accessible for those less technically inclined. But you're posting this on a PC user BBS, so of course you already realize that.

That's great that its based on PC technology. whoopdie-do. Now lets see you buy a compareable PC as the Xbox 360 or PS3 for $500. Also, these next gen consoles are far ahead of the top PC hardware currently available. So you lose in both a technical, and economical argument. Someone with an intelligent argument, please arise, as it is getting boring to swot away all of these initial flies. And yes, I do know Anandtech is a PC forum, that is why I expected some better arguments for the PC. duhhh

We've all heard the BS these consoles are more technologically advanced than PCs argument before. Yeah the PS2 is more powerful than a supercomputer or something. Xbox 360 is so powerful....not. There are definite architectural strengths and weaknesses in these consoles. Just read the Anandtech article on Xbox 360 and PS3 and how having 10 processors doesn't mean it is as fast as ten computers. There are cost cutting measures that weaken the architecture of these consoles. I enjoy playing both, but for top of the line graphics the PC will always win. PS3 may claim 1080p support but I'll believe it when I see it. The Xbox was supposed to support hi-def and in the end there are barely 5 games to support 1080i and maybe a few more that can handle 720p. On a PC you can play as high a resolution as your monitor and video card can handle.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: barfo

Originally posted by: JASANITY

Then how come consoles look just as good(in this case better) than PC's and run at smooth framerates?

Duh!!! of course Xbox360 games look great right now, but videocards that yield a much better IQ than that will be available in 6 months and will continue to evolve while the Xbox has to stick for at least 3 years, just look at the first xbox, when it was out the graphics were "amazing" and many people were saying pc gaming was dead bla bla, and they were soon overshadowed by computers, and that's what will surely happen this time, again.

Yeah if PCs were playing games at 480i they would have killed the Xbox even in 2001. However the PC gamer cannot handle such low quality.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
ahhh... HALO HALO ! idiot ! no i am kidding on idiot bit but my fav fps goes like this :
DOOM 2 > QUAKE > HALF LIFE EX > DEUS > HALO > BF1942 > COD > Riddick escape from butcher bay >>>
Before you start bashing me over why i liked halo ! 1st you need to own 12 different console and played games for atleast 6 years plus and have played old games dating back to 1989ish

So why do you like Halo? They stole a lot of the storyline from Marathon, the missions are repetitive, it was constantly delayed and hyped yet it still came out mediocre, and overall it just sucked.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: barfo

Originally posted by: JASANITY

Then how come consoles look just as good(in this case better) than PC's and run at smooth framerates?

Duh!!! of course Xbox360 games look great right now, but videocards that yield a much better IQ than that will be available in 6 months and will continue to evolve while the Xbox has to stick for at least 3 years, just look at the first xbox, when it was out the graphics were "amazing" and many people were saying pc gaming was dead bla bla, and they were soon overshadowed by computers, and that's what will surely happen this time, again.

i think programmers will find a way to become more efficient in programming the games...look at the transition on the PS2 between midnite club and gt4...pretty cool

That article was written by an idiot if he really thinks the PS2 can keep up with modern PC games. I will admit that GT4 kills Midnight Club in graphics but pretty much any Dreamcast game had far superior graphics to any PS2 launch game. GT4 may have good graphics for PS2 but Dead or Alive 3, an Xbox launch game, has better graphics and today's PC games eat it's graphics for breakfast.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: platinumike
Pc will catch up in terms of graphics, but food for thought: the ps2 has been out for 5+ years now and look at the graphics it can produce here and that looks just as good as any pc game that just came out. So it may be another 5-6 years before the pc can catch up with 360/ps3.

wtf are you talking about? The textures look low resolution, the gun reminds me of the Uzi in Sven Coop, the shadows look like they came from 2001, and there's no AA.

I was just going to say. On top of all that those screens don't tell the whole story. Whenever I've seen a PS2 in action it always looks like a blurry jagfest, that for sure does not happen on my PC. My TNT played SiN with better graphics in 1999 than those screens...really. Also Half-Life in 1999 on my TNT was better looking. Anyone who cites PS2 having good graphics at all is nuts. I can understand people citing some Xbox games or even Resident Evil 4 on Gamecube, but PS2? That system is so poor that playing GTA3/GTA:VC/GTA:SA on it and the respective PC version on the PC is like playing two different games. Anyone who's compared the two knows this as fact.