Originally posted by: soljahz
Hey guys just wondering, in motherboard monitor it shows my 3.3 at 2.77, is that goingt o be a problem? is that agp voltage? Or is the 4g4a+ just displaying the wrong #. Thanks...
Originally posted by: anazoal
Okay, I set up the 4G4A+. I was able to o/c my 1.6A to 133 fsb and surf for a couple of hours -- default everything. I didn't stress test because I'm waiting for the AS 3 to set and I'm having problems using Motherboard Monitor.
I've throttled back to 100 fsb at default MB settings. Here are my Motherboard Monitor values at idle (default settings on MM too):
Temp 1: 28 -- Winbond 1
Temp 2: 87 -- Winbond 2
Temp 3: 33 -- Winbond 3
Volt 1 [Core 0] : 1.52
Volt 2 [Core 1] : 1.504
Volt 3 [+3.3] : 2.512 -- the low reading scares me (it is the Vdimm value --see below -- right?)
Volt 4 [+5.00] : 5.1072
Volt 5 [+12.00]: 11.9168
Volt 6 [-12.00] : -11.6144
Volt 7 [-5.00] : - 5.09152
...
Why is Motherboard Monitor reporting the wrong values?
Originally posted by: Grumpycrab
Originally posted by: anazoal
Okay, I set up the 4G4A+. I was able to o/c my 1.6A to 133 fsb and surf for a couple of hours -- default everything. I didn't stress test because I'm waiting for the AS 3 to set and I'm having problems using Motherboard Monitor.
I've throttled back to 100 fsb at default MB settings. Here are my Motherboard Monitor values at idle (default settings on MM too):
Temp 1: 28 -- Winbond 1
Temp 2: 87 -- Winbond 2
Temp 3: 33 -- Winbond 3
Volt 1 [Core 0] : 1.52
Volt 2 [Core 1] : 1.504
Volt 3 [+3.3] : 2.512 -- the low reading scares me (it is the Vdimm value --see below -- right?)
Volt 4 [+5.00] : 5.1072
Volt 5 [+12.00]: 11.9168
Volt 6 [-12.00] : -11.6144
Volt 7 [-5.00] : - 5.09152
...
Why is Motherboard Monitor reporting the wrong values?
Answer: because, as you say, you are using default settings on MM. Volt 3 is Vdimm as you have guessed.
Winbond 3 is System Temp and Winbond 2 Diode is CPU Temp.
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Ian
Originally posted by: millsy
I would like some advice on some RAM for the 4G4A+
Choices are:
Corsair 256Mb XMS2400 cas2 = £81.66
Corsair 256Mb XMS2700 cas2 = £72.38
Corsair 512Mb XMS2700 cas2 = £129.95
Corsair 256Mb XMS3000 cas2 = £86.95
Corsair 512Mb XMS3000 cas2 = £157.92
Corsair 256Mb XMS3200 = £86.95
Corsair 512Mb XMS3200 = £157.57
Crucial 256Mb PC2700 cas2.5 = £62.99
Kingston 256Mb PC2700 cas2.5 = £63.44
Kingmax 256Mb PC2400 = £41.13
Kingmax 256Mb PC2700 = £49.35
Kingmax 256Mb PC3200 = £72.50
OCZ 256Mb PC2400 = £51.70
OCZ 256Mb PC3000 = £63.45
OCZ 256Mb PC3200 = £70.50
what do you think is the best??
the most overclockable but considering the price as UK aint that cheap!!!
Originally posted by: gsethi
Dont even consider OCZ or Kingmax or Kingston if you are going to heavlily overclock it. Out of your list, i would recommend CORSAIR only. Try to see if you can get some SAMSUNG memory ?
now which one of the corsairs? they all look good, just see which one fits your budget.
Originally posted by: Muadib
Originally posted by: gsethi
Dont even consider OCZ or Kingmax or Kingston if you are going to heavlily overclock it. Out of your list, i would recommend CORSAIR only. Try to see if you can get some SAMSUNG memory ?
now which one of the corsairs? they all look good, just see which one fits your budget.
I don't think Samsung is selling the PC3200 yet. If they are, I couldn't find a vendor selling it. I ordered the Corsair 512Mb XMS3200 with the hopes of nearing 3Ghz with the 1.8 I have on order. Everything shipped, so I hope to see Monday.
Originally posted by: gsethi
Why do people start with the wrong idea of overclocking.......running 1.8a @ 3.0 Ghz is very unlikely with conventional air cooling. I think that people are thinking that if we are able to run 1.6 @ 2.6 Ghz, then according to math, 1.8 should be able to do 3.0 Ghz.....this is not correct.
A processors upper limit is determined by the manufacturing process, quality of silicon and not by its rated speed. the 1.6, 1.8 etc are all made with the same manufacturing process and they are all the same CPUs. The way they rate the CPUs is by testing them at various speeds and see if they pass the test at those speeds.
Currently, Intel is using 0.13 micron processing technology so the max you can hit with 0.13 micron is ~3.0 - 3.2 Ghz. But this is like being on the edge. That is why intel is shifting to 0.09 micron technology next year to get higher yields. According to me, the max you should be able to go on 0.13 micron is ~2.8 - 3.0 Ghz but that is using more better components in the current process.
technically speaking, 1.8a will have the same upper limit as a 2.0a which will have the same upper limit as a 1.6a since they were all built using the same quality of components with the same process in the same batch. Its just that some CPUs performed better in the testing than others.
So, dont expect 3.0 Ghz out of your 1.8a out of the box. Infact, it may not be able to do 2.4 Ghz. Overclocking is just luck....you might be able to run your 1.8a at 2.8 or not even 2.0.......(expecting 3.0 Ghz out of 1.8a is like buying a Honda Civic and expecting it to perform like a Ferrari or Lambourgini )
oh yeah.....one more thing that i use to determine the upper limit of a CPU: The current fastest CPU by intel is 2.53 Ghz +- 0.2 Ghz ......so thats what i consider the upper limit of a slower CPU made on the same manufacturing process
Originally posted by: Muadib
Originally posted by: gsethi
Why do people start with the wrong idea of overclocking.......running 1.8a @ 3.0 Ghz is very unlikely with conventional air cooling. I think that people are thinking that if we are able to run 1.6 @ 2.6 Ghz, then according to math, 1.8 should be able to do 3.0 Ghz.....this is not correct.
A processors upper limit is determined by the manufacturing process, quality of silicon and not by its rated speed. the 1.6, 1.8 etc are all made with the same manufacturing process and they are all the same CPUs. The way they rate the CPUs is by testing them at various speeds and see if they pass the test at those speeds.
Currently, Intel is using 0.13 micron processing technology so the max you can hit with 0.13 micron is ~3.0 - 3.2 Ghz. But this is like being on the edge. That is why intel is shifting to 0.09 micron technology next year to get higher yields. According to me, the max you should be able to go on 0.13 micron is ~2.8 - 3.0 Ghz but that is using more better components in the current process.
technically speaking, 1.8a will have the same upper limit as a 2.0a which will have the same upper limit as a 1.6a since they were all built using the same quality of components with the same process in the same batch. Its just that some CPUs performed better in the testing than others.
So, dont expect 3.0 Ghz out of your 1.8a out of the box. Infact, it may not be able to do 2.4 Ghz. Overclocking is just luck....you might be able to run your 1.8a at 2.8 or not even 2.0.......(expecting 3.0 Ghz out of 1.8a is like buying a Honda Civic and expecting it to perform like a Ferrari or Lambourgini )
oh yeah.....one more thing that i use to determine the upper limit of a CPU: The current fastest CPU by intel is 2.53 Ghz +- 0.2 Ghz ......so thats what i consider the upper limit of a slower CPU made on the same manufacturing process
And why must you crush my hopes and dreams?
I know what to expect from my 1.8 when I get it, exactly 1.8 Ghz!! Nothing more, and nothing less, but what fun is that? That's why it's a hobby. If all I wanted was a PC, I would have called Stephen!!
Originally posted by: terminalmind
gsethi or anyone else
If you had the choice of either 512Mb Samsung PC2700 or 512Mb Corsair PC3200
which would you get? If the Samsung PC3200 was available I wouldn't even consider
the Corsair.
I have pretty much decided on the Epox 4G4A+ and a P4 1.6A but I am still undecided
on the memory.
Originally posted by: gsethi
Originally posted by: terminalmind
gsethi or anyone else
If you had the choice of either 512Mb Samsung PC2700 or 512Mb Corsair PC3200
which would you get? If the Samsung PC3200 was available I wouldn't even consider
the Corsair.
I have pretty much decided on the Epox 4G4A+ and a P4 1.6A but I am still undecided
on the memory.
depends on the pricing difference......
1) if price is the same or very little difference, go for Corsair since you are guaranteed PC3200 speeds there
2) if price difference is huge, then i would go for Samsung assuming it is "ORIGINAL" samsung which can overclock very high.
Be sure that not every chip is the same. Some can overclock very high while others will only do a modest overclock. I consider myself to be lucky to be able to run my Samsung PC2700 DDR 333 @ DDR 435. Highest i was expecting from it was DDR 400 (50-50 chance). I think that my memory still has some more room to go high and will see how high it can go. Also, my chip is the newer "DTL" chip from which many people are having complaints with while overclocking. Many people have not been able to get the "DTL" over DDR 375, i wonder how i got mine at DDR 435. The safest bet will be to make sure that you get "CTL" as most people have been able to hit DDR 400 with it.
Originally posted by: gsethi
my idea was not to crush your hopes and your dreams. Some people get the wrong idea while reading these threads. Even if you didnt really expect 3.0 Ghz out of your 1.8a, someone might have read your thread and he would have expected that result.
Then he would go out and buy the CPU and when it wont run at 3.0 Ghz, he would come here and brag and curse without giving it a second thought. I was just trying to make the point that overclocking is just luck.....you might get nothing out of it or you might get a mouthfull .
btw, sorry if i crushed your hopes and dreams.
When i bought my 1.6a, the highest i ever expected from it was 2.0 Ghz.........i never intended to overclock it to the extreme but thanks to these forums, i ended up running it at 2.60 Ghz
Originally posted by: Muadib
Originally posted by: gsethi
my idea was not to crush your hopes and your dreams. Some people get the wrong idea while reading these threads. Even if you didnt really expect 3.0 Ghz out of your 1.8a, someone might have read your thread and he would have expected that result.
Then he would go out and buy the CPU and when it wont run at 3.0 Ghz, he would come here and brag and curse without giving it a second thought. I was just trying to make the point that overclocking is just luck.....you might get nothing out of it or you might get a mouthfull .
btw, sorry if i crushed your hopes and dreams.
When i bought my 1.6a, the highest i ever expected from it was 2.0 Ghz.........i never intended to overclock it to the extreme but thanks to these forums, i ended up running it at 2.60 Ghz
You have a good point on possibility of misleading someone when talking about the rare or even unoptainable overclock. I will admit that I didn't think of that, and it's something I wouldn't want to do. Thanks for setting things straight. I'll post back when I put my 3.0 system together.
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
I just ordered this mofo. It better be everything you guys promise or someones going to pay. :|
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
I just ordered this mofo. It better be everything you guys promise or someones going to pay. :|