The Federation vs The Republic?

[Trezza]

LOL this is the funniest thread i have seen in a long time...

As a big fan of both sides i would have to say it be a toss up.

Storm troopers can't hit the side of a barn.

Star Fleet is only good if they can use their brains to beat the enemy.

If you look at the technology Star Fleet rules the Empire.

Blasters Vs phasers
Battle Droids Vs Data
Klingons Vs Jedi Knights
Gungans Vs Little Kids and Wesly

i don't know i give it to star trek...luckily the empire is far far away and a long time ago.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: flamingelephant
personal force fields and anti-matter weapons! nuf said

Force fields, phaser rifles set to wide beam, compression phaser rifles - the laser blasters of the clones wouldn't be able to penetrate personal force fields easily. And if you do ground wars the way the US has been doing recently, there'd be "air" support too - a starship in orbit, one photon torpedo, and the clone army's gone.

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: m2kewl
jedi knights - nuff said

unless the Federation had the "one" ring...to control all.

You bring the force into this, we bring in Q
Q could snap his fingers and the empire would turn into dust.

Nah, Q would have more fun; something like making the two realms be in the same galaxy - one in the Alpha Quadrant, one in the Delta Quadrant, and see who wins. And give the Klingons Jedi powers. Yoda as a Borg! Assimilated, you will be.

 

[Trezza]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: flamingelephant
personal force fields and anti-matter weapons! nuf said

Force fields, phaser rifles set to wide beam, compression phaser rifles - the laser blasters of the clones wouldn't be able to penetrate personal force fields easily. And if you do ground wars the way the US has been doing recently, there'd be "air" support too - a starship in orbit, one photon torpedo, and the clone army's gone.

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: m2kewl
jedi knights - nuff said

unless the Federation had the "one" ring...to control all.

You bring the force into this, we bring in Q
Q could snap his fingers and the empire would turn into dust.

Nah, Q would have more fun; something like making the two realms be in the same galaxy - one in the Alpha Quadrant, one in the Delta Quadrant, and see who wins. And give the Klingons Jedi powers. Yoda as a Borg! Assimilated, you will be.

More than likely Q would be the one who would set this battle in motion anyway.

 

[Triumph]

The idea of the Republic was completely destroyed by those awful AWFUL movies. So I vote Federation.

 

[Angrymarshmello]

The Republic

 

[TheCorm]

The Empire has thousands ships

So does the federation....if the Excelsior was still serving when Enterprise D was launched and they were up to NCC-7xxxx then, then they could have say around 60,000 ships.

StarFleet was not commissioned as a military force. over the years it has taken on that assignment.
If you watched TNG, how many military vessels allow civilians and children onboard long term??.

As Enterprise shows, Starfleet was original the exploration force for Earth...but civilians and children, Galaxy class ships have much more of this than any other ship in the fleet....many have no children on board, see 1st series of TNG.

Plus i think it is the only Starfleet vessel so far, all the other human ships are civilian owned and operated transports.

There are other ships in Starfleet, such as the one you see before enterprise in the opening cutscene and they have been mentioned here and there.

the ones with parachutes?

Unlikely to be standard equipment though...

Star Trek has immense weapons (such as subspace weapons, which would swallow your irrelevant death star

But the federation doesn't have these

If you look at the technology Star Fleet rules the Empire.

At first glance this is easily true but when you look into it further, it's almost like there are different sets of rules in each universe that make it more difficult to compare.

Also, we are talking about the empire at the end of Episode 2?....they weren't THAT big then were they....nowhere near the strength of the empire.

P.S: am not a geek...wait...yes...probably am...

 

[Rayden]

If the borg got access to cloning technology, would they use it to increase their numbers?

no. they do'nt need more. they need better. they aren't striving for a larger army, they are striving for perfection. cloning doesnt' perfect them at all.

they already got gazillions of humanoids.

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
The Federation (and the other ST races) have some pretty cool technology, but it's always either failing or being jammed. For example, how many times have you heard Tuvok saying something like "shields are failing!" or "hull integrity at 15%!" or "they're blocking our transporters!" or "photon torpedoes had no effect"? Also, in Picard's (and Janeway's to a lesser extent) TNG universe, the Federation seems to have little will to get down and dirty to fight. In one TNG episode, they sent Picard, Crusher, and Whorf down to a Cardassian world to do a special forces mission.... Why?! No ground forces, that's why.

When was the last time you saw some Federation tanks or ground artillery? Or any weaponry or armor whatsoever more powerful than a phaser rifle? The Federation would get their ass handed to them by the Empire.

They don't use mass ground infantry because they'll just rape the enemy from the sky!

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: m2kewl
jedi knights - nuff said

unless the Federation had the "one" ring...to control all.

You bring the force into this, we bring in Q
Q could snap his fingers and the empire would turn into dust.

Q isn't a member of the federation

Jedi magic itself also isn't a member of the empire

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: TheCorm

The Empire has thousands ships

So does the federation....if the Excelsior was still serving when Enterprise D was launched and they were up to NCC-7xxxx then, then they could have say around 60,000 ships.

StarFleet was not commissioned as a military force. over the years it has taken on that assignment.
If you watched TNG, how many military vessels allow civilians and children onboard long term??.

As Enterprise shows, Starfleet was original the exploration force for Earth...but civilians and children, Galaxy class ships have much more of this than any other ship in the fleet....many have no children on board, see 1st series of TNG.

Plus i think it is the only Starfleet vessel so far, all the other human ships are civilian owned and operated transports.

There are other ships in Starfleet, such as the one you see before enterprise in the opening cutscene and they have been mentioned here and there.

the ones with parachutes?

Unlikely to be standard equipment though...

Star Trek has immense weapons (such as subspace weapons, which would swallow your irrelevant death star

But the federation doesn't have these

If you look at the technology Star Fleet rules the Empire.

At first glance this is easily true but when you look into it further, it's almost like there are different sets of rules in each universe that make it more difficult to compare.

Also, we are talking about the empire at the end of Episode 2?....they weren't THAT big then were they....nowhere near the strength of the empire.

P.S: am not a geek...wait...yes...probably am...

The Federation DOES have these. And since we might as well expand this into a ST vs SW fight, ST would still win. BTW... level 16 phaser on wide dispersion pattern... 'nuff said.

 

[TheFalconer]

Yoda as a Borg! Assimilated, you will be.

Yoda as a borg?? Hmm, now that WOULD be something to see.

 

[Zee]

this thread is frickin hilarious

 

[TheCorm]

The Federation DOES have these

As outlined in Star Trek: Insurrection....subspace weapons were banned by the Khitomer Accords....therefore the Federation DOES NOT have them.

Jamie

 

[DanTMWTMP]

the federation's tech is WAY Behind the republic's tech....republic ships can go a crapload faster..so they can send in reinforcements much faster....and jedi knights will own all of 'em...and republic will outnumber the federation + klingons 100 - 1

 

[TheCorm]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
the federation's tech is WAY Behind the republic's tech....republic ships can go a crapload faster..so they can send in reinforcements much faster....and jedi knights will own all of 'em...and republic will outnumber the federation + klingons 100 - 1

It's difficult to compare the technologies really as they are set in different universes with different laws and concepts....but I will say....

Millennium Falcon top Speed = 1.5 x Speed Of Light

USS Enterprise NX-01 (Star Trek Enterprise) top speed = Warp 5....which I can't remember the scale exactly but it's something like several hundred times the speed of light.

So, you can imagine how fast ships in Picard/Sisko/Janeways times are....

Jamie

 

[Rayden]

warp 9 at least.

and you know any major war that the TNG is a part of, starfleet from the future will help out.

 

[everman]

I've seen this discussion before, uber link.

I vote for the Republic assuming the Federation doesn't have the Q or Borg or any of that stuff.
now I feel like a huge nerd :Q

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: TheCorm

The Federation DOES have these

As outlined in Star Trek: Insurrection....subspace weapons were banned by the Khitomer Accords....therefore the Federation DOES NOT have them.

Jamie

It doesn't mean that other people don't have them, and since someone already brought in the jedi...
By the way, the targeting systems on a ship's phasers are quite capable of hitting a small moving object. They still wouldn't stand a chance.

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
the federation's tech is WAY Behind the republic's tech....republic ships can go a crapload faster..so they can send in reinforcements much faster....and jedi knights will own all of 'em...and republic will outnumber the federation + klingons 100 - 1

Um, no. So now are you making this a ST vs SW battle? I can play that. ST's tech is way AHEAD of SW, since SW took place a long time ago, remember? And we've already hit warp 10, with some danger, but we have. Can your ships be everywhere at the same time?

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

ok, since we're veering off topic, the way speeds work in both are different.

Star Wars Ships are faster in the FTL(faster than light) category, but slower in the sub light speed.
The Federation controls about 8-12% of the galaxy, and it takes months to cross federation space.
Starwars the Republic and Empire controlled most of the galaxy. It took them weeks to cross the galaxy.

The Federation has the advantage that they can change corse in route, Star Wars the have to make jumps, which are precalculated by the computer and can't be changed once in hyperspace.

 

[TheCorm]

t doesn't mean that other people don't have them, and since someone already brought in the jedi...
By the way, the targeting systems on a ship's phasers are quite capable of hitting a small moving object. They still wouldn't stand a chance.

Yeah I know but I was trying to keep it Federation vs Republic rather than Star Trek vs Star Wars.....but agreed....it's difficult lol.

Um, no. So now are you making this a ST vs SW battle? I can play that. ST's tech is way AHEAD of SW, since SW took place a long time ago, remember? And we've already hit warp 10, with some danger, but we have. Can your ships be everywhere at the same time?

Republic ships hardly appear on a warp scale at all, they go what...Warp 1.1....look out....Zefram Cochranes Phoenix is nearly catching up with them!

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
ok, since we're veering off topic, the way speeds work in both are different.

Star Wars Ships are faster in the FTL(faster than light) category, but slower in the sub light speed.
The Federation controls about 8-12% of the galaxy, and it takes months to cross federation space.
Starwars the Republic and Empire controlled most of the galaxy. It took them weeks to cross the galaxy.

The Federation has the advantage that they can change corse in route, Star Wars the have to make jumps, which are precalculated by the computer and can't be changed once in hyperspace.

Slipstream and transwarp. Oops I win!

 

[Rilescat]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

The federation doesn't have a standing army. StarFleet acts as the military force if needed.

What do you think Starfleet is? It IS the military.

StarFleet was not commissioned as a military force. over the years it has taken on that assignment.
If you watched TNG, how many military vessels allow civilians and children onboard long term??

StarFleet does have a Marine force for planetside warfare.

Quite so....StarFleet may be overly educated, under trained in hand to hand and dressed for sleeping but........wait....they would all die.

I think a more fair comparison would be the dudes from Babylon 5....they would give the empire a fight!

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
The Federation (and the other ST races) have some pretty cool technology, but it's always either failing or being jammed. For example, how many times have you heard Tuvok saying something like "shields are failing!" or "hull integrity at 15%!" or "they're blocking our transporters!" or "photon torpedoes had no effect"? Also, in Picard's (and Janeway's to a lesser extent) TNG universe, the Federation seems to have little will to get down and dirty to fight. In one TNG episode, they sent Picard, Crusher, and Whorf down to a Cardassian world to do a special forces mission.... Why?! No ground forces, that's why.

When was the last time you saw some Federation tanks or ground artillery? Or any weaponry or armor whatsoever more powerful than a phaser rifle? The Federation would get their ass handed to them by the Empire.

They don't use mass ground infantry because they'll just rape the enemy from the sky!

The US just did that to Iraq, and we still needed armor on the ground. You can bet that in the future, armored bunkers and positions would be fortified and force-fielded to the point where any air assault would require weapons powerful enough to lay waste to significant portions of the planetary surface.

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
The Federation (and the other ST races) have some pretty cool technology, but it's always either failing or being jammed. For example, how many times have you heard Tuvok saying something like "shields are failing!" or "hull integrity at 15%!" or "they're blocking our transporters!" or "photon torpedoes had no effect"? Also, in Picard's (and Janeway's to a lesser extent) TNG universe, the Federation seems to have little will to get down and dirty to fight. In one TNG episode, they sent Picard, Crusher, and Whorf down to a Cardassian world to do a special forces mission.... Why?! No ground forces, that's why.

When was the last time you saw some Federation tanks or ground artillery? Or any weaponry or armor whatsoever more powerful than a phaser rifle? The Federation would get their ass handed to them by the Empire.

They don't use mass ground infantry because they'll just rape the enemy from the sky!

The US just did that to Iraq, and we still needed armor on the ground. You can bet that in the future, armored bunkers and positions would be fortified and force-fielded to the point where any air assault would require weapons powerful enough to lay waste to significant portions of the planetary surface.

We're talking about SW vs ST, not holding a position. More of a massive ground war... infantry vs infantry.