The First Taste of Barcelona

[lopri]

DailyTech managed to run a Cinebench on K10 and I believe this is the first 'meaningful' number as for what is to come. I put a citation around 'meaningful', in a sense that it was actually run with real hardware. It's not a number from marketing slides nor anonymous forum posts that can't be verified. The chip may or may not be the final shipping revision but at least we know it's a real thing.

Original link. (A big kudos to DailyTech for managing to run this bench!)

http://www.dailytech.com/Quick...ebench/article7574.htm


Cinebench

Barcelona @1.60GHz running on NF Professional 3400: 27 seconds (1600MHz/27sec)

Xeon X3220 @2.40GHz running on X38: 17 seconds (2400MHz/17sec)


Let's discuss!

Edit: Direct links to the pics (thanks goes to DailyTech's Anh Huynh)

K10: Score 814 / 1.60GHz / 27 sec
C2Q: Score 1274 / 2.40GHz / 17 sec

 

[BitByBit]

I hope for AMD's sake that this is a truly 'worst case scenario' benchmark result. Assuming a linear performance/frequency relationship for the K10, extrapolation gives Xeon a 6% IPC advantage.

(1/17) / (1.5/27) ~ 1.06.

I hate to think what kind of an advantage Penryn would have in this benchmark. After all, Penryn will be K10's competitor on its release, not Conroe. Perhaps its best to take this particular benchmark with a pinch of salt and not attempt to draw any conclusions until we have K10s in the hands of reviewers.

 

[Mitch101]

K10 CONFUSION
I concluded a lot of people dont know the difference between K10 chips.
Most probably 2.0ghz K10 (Barcelona's will show up in July) This is not the Intel killer especially at 2.0ghz. Shanghai (Phenom) which is the chip everyone thinks of when you mention K10 will arrive in Sept if we are lucky. See anandtech link below.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...howdoc.aspx?i=2987&p=2

Barcelona K10 should show in July and it will suck (About 5% slower than Xeon clock for clock but will most probably consume less wattage and be dual core socket compatible)

Phenom K10 hopefully will arrive in September but doubtfull.

We can probably blame the AMD marketing crew for the K10 confusion. They should have stuck with just the name Barcelona and Phenom and never mentioned the 2 chips are related.

 

[HopJokey]

Originally posted by: Mitch101
K10 CONFUSION
I concluded a lot of people dont know the difference between K10 chips.
Most probably 2.0ghz K10 (Barcelona's will show up in July) This is not the Intel killer especially at 2.0ghz. Shanghai (Phenom) which is the chip everyone thinks of when you mention K10 will arrive in Sept if we are lucky. See anandtech link below.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...howdoc.aspx?i=2987&p=2

Barcelona K10 should show in July and it will suck (About 5% slower than Xeon clock for clock but will most probably consume less wattage and be dual core socket compatible)

Phenom K10 hopefully will arrive in September but doubtfull.

We can probably blame the AMD marketing crew for the K10 confusion. They should have stuck with just the name Barcelona and Phenom and never mentioned the 2 chips are related.

Hello sir, you are incorrect.

Barcelona is the codename used for server parts of K10 (many people use this name to refer to the whole family of K10 parts).

Phenom is simply the top end brand name for AMD's desktop parts based on K10. It shall be identical to the Barcelona core sans the HT links for MP and DP platforms on the server side.

Also Shangai is the codename for the 45nm shrink of Barcelona. At that time it will be unknown whether or not AMD uses the "Phenom" brand name for parts based on the Shangai.

 

[BitByBit]

Originally posted by: Mitch101
K10 CONFUSION
I concluded a lot of people dont know the difference between K10 chips.
Most probably 2.0ghz K10 (Barcelona's will show up in July) This is not the Intel killer especially at 2.0ghz. Shanghai (Phenom) which is the chip everyone thinks of when you mention K10 will arrive in Sept if we are lucky. See anandtech link below.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...howdoc.aspx?i=2987&p=2

Barcelona K10 should show in July and it will suck (About 5% slower than Xeon clock for clock but will most probably consume less wattage and be dual core socket compatible)

Phenom K10 hopefully will arrive in September but doubtfull.

We can probably blame the AMD marketing crew for the K10 confusion. They should have stuck with just the name Barcelona and Phenom and never mentioned the 2 chips are related.

From the link you posted:

"Based on AMD's roadmap, Shanghai will be socket compatible with Barcelona and it is listed as an enhanced version of the Barcelona core. Given that AMD is expected to be at 45nm in the second half of 2008, we'd expect Shanghai to be to Barcelona what Penryn is to Conroe. Unfortunately, Barcelona will most likely compete with Penryn and Shanghai will go head to head with Nehalem, and we have absolutely no indication of how those battles will end up at this point."

 

[HopJokey]

As for the benchmarks, it doesn't look good for K10. This may be a weak benchmark for the part, but you cannot deny the fact that the frequency they are getting for the parts look bad. However, I agree with BitByBit, it is too early to conclude anything.

 

[jpeyton]

I posted this on the DailyTech article too.

Dual-socket Opteron (4 total cores) @ 1.6GHz, Vista Ultimate 32-bit, 4GB ECC DDR2 667, nForce Pro 3600 chipset, finishes the CineBench 9.5 benchmark in 29 seconds.

 

[Mitch101]

Originally posted by: HopJokey

Originally posted by: Mitch101
K10 CONFUSION
I concluded a lot of people dont know the difference between K10 chips.
Most probably 2.0ghz K10 (Barcelona's will show up in July) This is not the Intel killer especially at 2.0ghz. Shanghai (Phenom) which is the chip everyone thinks of when you mention K10 will arrive in Sept if we are lucky. See anandtech link below.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...howdoc.aspx?i=2987&p=2

Barcelona K10 should show in July and it will suck (About 5% slower than Xeon clock for clock but will most probably consume less wattage and be dual core socket compatible)

Phenom K10 hopefully will arrive in September but doubtfull.

We can probably blame the AMD marketing crew for the K10 confusion. They should have stuck with just the name Barcelona and Phenom and never mentioned the 2 chips are related.

Hello sir, you are incorrect.

Barcelona is the codename used for server parts of K10 (many people use this name to refer to the whole family of K10 parts).

Phenom is simply the top end brand name for AMD's desktop parts based on K10. It shall be identical to the Barcelona core sans the HT links for MP and DP platforms on the server side.

Also Shangai is the codename for the 45nm shrink of Barcelona. At that time it will be unknown whether or not AMD uses the "Phenom" brand name for parts based on the Shangai.

Doh.
Not wrong but poorly worded on my part thanks for wording things better HopJokey. I knew what I was saying but did a poor job of explaining it.

 

[Agentbolt]

It's unfortunate AMD isn't doing more to clarify this. A lot of people are still assuming Barcelona is AMD's answer to Conroe, and it's not. That assumption is going to leave confused AMD supporters pretty despondent, if this bench is any indication.

 

[lopri]

nm

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
It's unfortunate AMD isn't doing more to clarify this. A lot of people are still assuming Barcelona is AMD's answer to Conroe, and it's not. That assumption is going to leave confused AMD supporters pretty despondent, if this bench is any indication.

but if the desktop chips are based on the same architecture you can assume the performance will be almost the same in most respects.

I hope this thing can overclock well because if not it looks like an overclocked C2D would still be the better. Wait and see I guess.

 

[Conky]

Not impressive but it's good to actually see some new silicon out of AMD. I was afraid they might pull a "3DFX" and simple stop releasing new products.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

It looks like it's all going to be about clock speed, appears the IPC's will be in the same neighborhood as C2Q's. We just have to hope that the power savings of the native quad core will translate into cooler temps and better overclocks with less cooling required. Best case schenario IMO is a chip with IPC's equal to a C2Q which clocks like a C2D and has TPD and temps inline with a C2D

 

[JackPack]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Best case schenario IMO is a chip with IPC's equal to a C2Q which clocks like a C2D and has TPD and temps inline with a C2D

Don't forget price. Even if AMD overcomes all the technical challenges, I don't think there's any way for them to manufacture a 283mm2 product to compete with $266 Q6600.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Well I must say I am very disappointed in AMD . I thought that a company who said they would release K10 in the 1st H of 07 would beable to show much much better results than what I have seen. Yes I seen the guy running around like a chiken with his head cut off saying . AMD is right on Time with K10- NO their not there late I got links to prove it. Than he says that K10 barcelon(i)a isn't the desktop part thats true but its still the same logic as the desktop . The only thing differant is the HT links which doesn't matter on the desktop even in the 4x4 setup. As all can see V8 scales nicely . Skulltrail will scale even better yet with DDR3 1600.

I really did think that K10 would be about 5% better than Conroe but its 8% slower .

So Penryn is the real deal . Sad part is the Penryn will be priced higher than need be at the mid to high end because of zero competion thats bad . But than again by the low end part that is =to K10 and O/C the hell out of it.

 

[BitByBit]

Again, it's too early to draw any conclusions about K10's performance. No one can realistically claim K10 to have a lower IPC in general, given the limited benchmark data available.

The recent Cinebench results don't show K10 in a good light, but according toSandra, it has a 33% and 66% lead in integer and floating point tests when running at a 17% slower clock. In the end, we will probably see K10 and Penryn performing similarly, each showing their strengths and weaknesses.

 

[jhtrico1850]

Those were proven to be false.

http://www.dailytech.com/Barce...st+Yet/article7291.htm

 

[golem]

NM

 

[BitByBit]

Oops, my mistake.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: HopJokey

Originally posted by: Mitch101
K10 CONFUSION
I concluded a lot of people dont know the difference between K10 chips.
Most probably 2.0ghz K10 (Barcelona's will show up in July) This is not the Intel killer especially at 2.0ghz. Shanghai (Phenom) which is the chip everyone thinks of when you mention K10 will arrive in Sept if we are lucky. See anandtech link below.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...howdoc.aspx?i=2987&p=2

Barcelona K10 should show in July and it will suck (About 5% slower than Xeon clock for clock but will most probably consume less wattage and be dual core socket compatible)

Phenom K10 hopefully will arrive in September but doubtfull.

We can probably blame the AMD marketing crew for the K10 confusion. They should have stuck with just the name Barcelona and Phenom and never mentioned the 2 chips are related.

Hello sir, you are incorrect.

Barcelona is the codename used for server parts of K10 (many people use this name to refer to the whole family of K10 parts).

Phenom is simply the top end brand name for AMD's desktop parts based on K10. It shall be identical to the Barcelona core sans the HT links for MP and DP platforms on the server side.

Also Shangai is the codename for the 45nm shrink of Barcelona. At that time it will be unknown whether or not AMD uses the "Phenom" brand name for parts based on the Shangai.

Then whats agendaFX?

And this is a real natural question. Not a smart comment. I cant seem to keep up with all of the K10 names now that ive given up.

I am going to build a V8 Penryn. First Cpu will be cooled with an apogeeGTX, the second with a D-tek fusion. This will allow me to reserve my flow pressure on the second block, and not take a hugh hit in performance.

I am also interested in building a phenom machine for the hell of it. I got a very bad addiction to WCG at the moment. And im trying to see if i can push in the heavy weight catigory for results.

But can someone clearify all the names for the K10 arch. It seems like i cant goto websites to get accurate names anymore.

 

[BitByBit]

These are the various incarnations of K10, as I understand them:

Codename ------------ Product name

Barcelona -------------- Opteron
Agena ------------------- Phenom X4
Agena FX --------------- Phenom FX (QC)
Kuma ------------------- Phenom X2
Rana -------------------- Athlon X2
Spica ------------------- Athlon (SC)

 

[HopJokey]

Originally posted by: BitByBit

These are the various incarnations of K10, as I understand them:

Codename ------------ Product name

Barcelona -------------- Opteron
Agena ------------------- Phenom X4
Agena FX --------------- Phenom FX (QC)
Kuma ------------------- Phenom X2
Rana -------------------- Athlon X2
Spica ------------------- Athlon (SC)

:thumbsup:

 

[nyker96]

heard Bacelona has trouble scaling in the factory, supposedy this rumor is confirmed by Taiwan partners secretly. Who knows, I hope this isn't true for AMD's sake. If this bench shows anything, it means barcelona is pretty decent chip clock for clock on par with C2Qs at least in cinebench which c2q dominates so far. If this is true, AMD still need to produce higher clocks to compete against current 65nm C2Qs even since most people are able to clock them close to 3ghz. but I have a feeling when Barcelona debutes it might be very close to facing the 45nm counter parts from intel which so far rumor says scales pretty high on clocks and has efficiency improvements as well, anxious to see how this saga unfolds.

 

[jhtrico1850]

"heard Bacelona has trouble scaling in the factory"
From who? I see this here though http://www.dailytech.com/artic...ld=1&red=1534#comments

"supposedy this rumor is confirmed by Taiwan partners secretly."
Where?

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: BitByBit

These are the various incarnations of K10, as I understand them:

Codename ------------ Product name

Barcelona -------------- Opteron
Agena ------------------- Phenom X4
Agena FX --------------- Phenom FX (QC)
Kuma ------------------- Phenom X2
Rana -------------------- Athlon X2
Spica ------------------- Athlon (SC)

THANK YOU!

This is exactly what i was looking for. So the machine i should be looking at is the agendaFX? Or should i be looking for a quadcore version of barcelona? Ahhh.. This only answered half my questions now that i think about it.

Whats the absolute top tier to this sucker? The one thats suposed to battle it out against the V8 Penryn?