You mean how far the camera is from the player doesn't make any effect on how much sharp a surface will look.Huh? The visual impact of PBR shouldn't be affected by camera angle and distance in this way at all.
I'm comparing the PC version of GoW4 with the PC version of Paragon, so differences in resolution and frame rate doesn't really apply.
You mean how far the camera is from the player doesn't make any effect on how much sharp a surface will look.
I mean the closer to the surface we get the more dull the PBR/PBSed surface will become.
I observed this while playing evolve(an FPS).
And indirect light in paragon is not up to the game in OP.
Anyway ue4 looks plastic even with PBR as compared to Cryengine.
I think it does. The fact that it's really an xbox one game, and a 1080p one at that, limits how good it will look.
And Paragon isn't equally limited by the fact that it's a PS4 game?
Not at all. A game running at 900p on a ps4 has a lot more horsepower available than a xb1 game running at 1080p.
On Indirect lightingOf course moving further away from an object will make it less sharp since it occupies fewer pixels, but I'm not talking about sharpness here, I'm talking about PBR.
And no, moving closer to the surface of an object should not make it look more dull with PBR. One of the most well known examples of well implemented PBR out there is probably Ryse, and the main characters armor certainly doesn't start looking dull and plasticy when you move closer to it
Also could you give me an example of where you think the indirect lighting in GoW4 looks better than Paragon?, cause I'm really not seeing it.
And as far as UE4 looking plasticy even with PBR, it is perhaps not as good as Cryengine, but I would still dare say that Paragon does a much better job in this regard than GoW4. Just have a look at the character models and their different skins, in particular the Master skins.
And Paragon isn't equally limited by the fact that it's a PS4 game?
Paragon runs at 900p at 60 FPS. GoW4 runs at 1080P at 30 FPS in the campaign and in multiplayer horde mode, and at 60 FPS in competitive mode. Furthermore GoW4 utilizes adaptive resolution, which lowers the resolution in intensive scenes to avoid having the FPS dip (although as the analysis from digital foundry showed, even this is not enough to keep the framerate at the target at all times).
So Paragon pushes at least 39% more pixels per second compared to singleplayer and horde mode, and at most 31% fewer pixels per second when compared to competitive mode. The exact number of course depends upon how often and by how much adaptive resolution lowers the resolution in GoW4
The GPU in the PS4 pushes about 40% more TFLOPS than the Xbox One, but given that game performance never scales perfectly with TFLOPS, and that the two consoles are much closer in other departments (such as the CPU), the extra performance of the PS4 is probably somewhere in the 0-30% range depending upon how CPU limited you are.
As such I really don't see how GoW4 would be more limited than Paragon during development. Furthermore looking at the settings menu of GoW4, it certainly doesn't give the impression of the developers just phoning in the PC version.
On Indirect lighting
you can see we can see detail and if could not find detail then at least we can see something present in the area in this scene where there is no direct sunlight
but in paragon
just darker areas with not much revealing details where there is no sunlight.
I thought we'd only seen the multiplayer so far.
Carfax posted some videos from the single player campaign earlier in the thread, also the reveal gameplay trailer from E3 last year was from singleplayer.
Oh ok, and I forgot about the dynamic resolution.
Hahaha that's more like you are the one trying to seek out validation for your petty upgrade. I am not the one who started this whole argument cherry picking scenarios.
60FPS isn't some magical number that exceeding it suddenly puts the game on a whole different level than 56FPS lol seriously!
And yes of course a card that is 20% faster will provide a better experience in demanding scenarios whoever denied that?
Nobody said anything about the 1070 being a valid upgrade over the 980Ti. Seems like you are trying to validate yourself again. Trying to blame the other for validating their decision is a classic cop out when I showed most of your numbers to be wrong!
Ok, so MS account required. Is it possible to sign up for a Microsoft account and login for the game but still use the local account on my PC?
You can sign into the windows store and other apps individually. Just look out for the 'this app only' or similar when it asks for a Microsoft account sign in.
I've finished Act 1 last night with insane settings on 1080p with a 1070 without a single drop below 60fps apart from a very short 4 seconds towards the end. The game is gorgeous. Not always, but it's definitely worth a look for enthusiasts.
How are people playing when the game releases on the 11th?
Ok got it.The GI in those two shots from GoW4 really don't look particularly impressive to me, and there are clearly areas that are improperly shaded.
Of the two Paragon shots you linked, the first one looks far better than the GoW4 shots, nice deep shadows and a lot of depth to the scenery. The second shot is a blurry mess so it's impossible to judge anything from it, kinda like if you tryed to conclude anything from this GoW4 shot. However there are several other Paragon shots out there that shows of the GI much better, such as this one (slightly blurry shot, but nice diffuse lighting), or this one (notice the nice light bleed from the coloured light source), or this one
Carfax posted some videos from the single player campaign earlier in the thread, also the reveal gameplay trailer from E3 last year was from singleplayer.
lol you really need to grow up man......Actually it was you that started it, by whining about the benchmarks from GamersNexus which used a water cooled GTX 1080 that didn't even have that high of a clock speed because the GTX 1080 opened a can of whoop ass on the GTX 1070 and you felt the need to defend it for some odd reason..
Buyer's remorse perhaps?
If your monitor uses a 60Hz refresh rate like 90% of the monitors out there, then dropping below 60 FPS can be jarring and very noticeable if Vsync is enabled..
Why do you think PC games have so much focus on 60+ frame rates?
Except it's not just 20% faster, it can be quite a bit more depending on the game and the circumstances. In some games, it's over 30%, like Deus Ex MD.
Eh, don't really care about validating anything. By next year, I will have a GTX 1080 Ti. My GTX 1080 is just temporary
Ok got it.
The screenshots you posted clearly shows Paragon has better PBR and diffuse return(but still black areas at some places). Actually the screen shots I posted are from google and a bench site as I don't own either of game and videos of Paragon on youtube are kinda 1hour long and don't reveal much detail as screens posted by you show.
Yeah it looks okayish.. but like a title from a few years ago. Meanwhile Battlefield 1 early trial released today and is the best looking PC game to date, along with being very well optimized in the usual DICE fashion.