The flu shot hysteria makes me laugh.

[nanobreath]

whatever doesn't kill you only make u stronger.

so far, flu free here while everyone else in my household got sick from the flu already.

I got flu last time in china around july last year. who knows? it could be the same one so I am immune to it already.

Except the way the vaccination works, is as if you DID get the flu. Thus you are made stronger without the risk of death!?!? How is this a BAD thing?

 

[Number1]

I weep for the future of humanity, the level of stupidity displayed in this thread is astounding. Even more so when you factor in that this is a tech board and presumably frequented by people who have a little better understanding of science and technology than the average person.

Scary but not unexpected. Remember the plane on the treadmill thread?

 

[Texashiker]

See, you're very smart because you have asked a very important question. But why is your first reaction "this is all a conspiracy!", instead of "surely there is a reason this happens let me go find out why".

Did the drug companies reduce the effectiveness of the flu vaccine like they did the pertussis vaccine?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Exactly what Doppel said.
Read some stats on this years #s and the strength of this/these strain(s). It's really devastating.

You know what I think a lot of the blame needs to be placed on? The pussification of america. OMG NEED A HAND SANITIZER IN THE CHECKOUT LINE. OMG HAND SANITIZER I TOUCHED A DOOR KNOB!


This is what makes your immune system weak. This is why people are dieing.

 

[nanobreath]

Could we imagine the horror if we had a "real" flu vaccine that lasted 10, 15 20 years?

We do get vaccinated for these long terms against the flu. As long as your body holds onto the antibodies against those specific strains you are protected. Problem is the strains change so often the protection doesn't last much past the year you received the vaccination. During the outbreak of the "swine flu (H1N1)" virus a few years ago, the mortality rate was higher in younger people because people of older generations either had the virus or were inoculated 30 years ago. While the virus had mutated, these people's immune systems already had a good starting point to fight the virus and reacted and created new antibodies quicker.

Please go READ about influenza and why it is different. You are comparing apples to goats here. They aren't the same thing!

 

[PokerGuy]

Good posts nanobreath :thumbsup:

 

[Andrewebyy]

Did the drug companies reduce the effectiveness of the flu vaccine like they did the pertussis vaccine?

It's the virus the mutates I think.

 

[soulcougher73]

I love not getting the flu shot and never getting the flu. My immune system is fucking EPIC!

 

[Charles Kozierok]

During the outbreak of the "swine flu (H1N1)" virus a few years ago, the mortality rate was higher in younger people because people of older generations either had the virus or were inoculated 30 years ago. While the virus had mutated, these people's immune systems already had a good starting point to fight the virus and reacted and created new antibodies quicker.

Actually, the cause of this phenomenon was and still is a subject of much debate. One of the theories is that the virus causes an overreaction in the immune systems of younger people leading to a positive feedback loop called a cytokine storm. But the science is far from settled.

 

[Texashiker]

During the outbreak of the "swine flu (H1N1)" virus a few years ago, the mortality rate was higher in younger people because people of older generations either had the virus or were inoculated 30 years ago.

Please go READ about influenza and why it is different. You are comparing apples to goats here. They aren't the same thing!

There was an outbreak of flu in the 1970s that was genetically similar to the swine flu. The people who caught the flu in the 1970s had resistance to the swine flu.

And yes, I read all about it.

 

[destrekor]

Actually, the cause of this phenomenon was and still is a subject of much debate. One of the theories is that the virus causes an overreaction in the immune systems of younger people leading to a positive feedback loop called a cytokine storm. But the science is far from settled.

That's the cause for such influenza strains being more lethal against middle-aged, healthy-adults. (20-50, or roughly in that group).
But it doesn't explain the mortality for the young and elderly. Which is to say, the young (infant-to-preteen or thereabouts) and elderly don't suffer the cytokine storm as much as they simply succumb to a strong virus their body is unable to fight.

Such viruses would still have an equal number of INFECTED, regardless of the hows and whys it turned lethal. But that one in particular didn't hit the elderly as hard as expected, both in terms of numbers infected and numbers killed, almost assuredly due to the fact there was ancient immunity/resistance from past exposure.

 

[OutHouse]

You know what I think a lot of the blame needs to be placed on? The pussification of america. OMG NEED A HAND SANITIZER IN THE CHECKOUT LINE. OMG HAND SANITIZER I TOUCHED A DOOR KNOB!


This is what makes your immune system weak. This is why people are dieing.

by your logic washing your hands after using the bathroom weakens immune systems as well. nevermind the reducing the spread of disease aspect.

 

[destrekor]

Are you going to tell me viruses like polio, HepA, HepB, noro and small pox can not adapt like what TB and gonorrhea can?

If we can wipe small pox out, why cant we wipe the flu out.

Well, there is one reason not to wipe flu out, and that reason is profits.

Did you follow the pertussis outbreak in california a few years ago? Did you read the research articles about the outbreak?

The current whooping cough vaccine is not as strong as the one given 30 years ago. Why is it not as strong? So children will need a booster shot, which makes the drug companies billions in profit.

related article - http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellne...tive-early-form-study-finds/story?id=16898211



Could we imagine the horror if we had a "real" flu vaccine that lasted 10, 15 20 years?

The reduced effectiveness of the whooping cough vaccine shows there is a line between profits and effectiveness the drug companies wish to maintain.

Then there are the occasional mumps outbreaks, which have occurred in fully vaccinated students. The result of the outbreak, the government called for booster shots.

What was the result of the California pertussis outbreak? The government is considering booster shots. But then again, why not revert to a stronger vaccine?

Like I said before, its a good thing we had people who put public health over profits working on the small pox and polio vaccine.

Not all vaccines can be made into 100% effectiveness. In fact, many likely aren't, and rely on high numbers of vaccinated to squash the chance of it spreading.

Pertussis is a funny one.

But the Pertussis vaccine was never made weaker, you fool. Quit reading conspiracy news sites.
It, more than other vaccines, has been the subject of anti-vaccine movements on more occasions. The DTP, DTaP, and Tdap vaccines/boosters have been through a few up and down cycles of "OMG it causes this!" and "it killed my child!" and with outbreaks/epidemics following thanks to decreased prevalence of vaccine/booster use.
It, at best, ever conferred a roughly 80% effectiveness. I don't know if there was ever a difference in effectiveness between the full-celled Pertussis vaccine component in the combined vaccine like DTP, as opposed to the now regular use of the acellular Pertussis (no whole cells) component used in the combination vaccines/boosters.

Increase in amount of boosters has merely been to help squash outbreaks, not to increase profits. Hell, in the 90s many manufacturers got out of the DTP/DTaP vaccine business due to LOW-PROFIT MARGINS! It's just not a big money maker.
The different WHOs/CDCs of the world helped increase how often and why/when we get these boosters, because it's found to help everyone. First, they determined that the original DTP/DTaP vaccines were good throughout childhood, then they determined it's actually best to get a booster after 6 or 7 years because it wasn't as effective long-term as once thought.
Then, when they originally stated it was good to just get one at childhood (when Pertussis in particular can/does hit the hardest), perhaps a booster at the pre-teen age, then you were good for life; now, they suggest adults continue to get the booster because not only does it help us (adults get it but it is merely an annoyance 99% of the time), but it helps prevent us from spreading it to children (whether they got the vaccine or not; perhaps they are immunocompromised).

The latest whooping cough outbreaks are quite likely due to decreased use of vaccines. It'd be great if we could get the exact data, as to whether those who died had the vaccine or not.

 

[brianmanahan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic

The 1918 flu pandemic (January 1918 – December 1920)[1] was an unusually deadly influenza pandemic which infected 500 million[2] people across the world, including remote Pacific islands and the arctic, and killed 20 to 50 million of them—1 to 3 percent of the world's population[3] at the time—making it one of the deadliest natural disasters in human history.[2][4][5][6][7]

i heard that the rockefellers and rothschilds created the 1918 flu to make money from their medical cartel:

http://www.overlordsofchaos.com/html/global_economic_meltdown__glob3.html

 

[Texashiker]

But the Pertussis vaccine was never made weaker, you fool. Quit reading conspiracy news sites.

ABC News is a conspiracy site?

And since when does the American Medical Association publish conspiracy articles?

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellne...tive-early-form-study-finds/story?id=16898211

The Diphtheria, Tetanus, acellular Pertussis (DTaP) vaccine for children has not been as effective in protecting against whooping cough as the older version that was available nearly two decades ago, according to a study published today in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

The original vaccine, which contained a small amount of inactivated whole bacteria, was a crude form that brought with it side effects like fever and swelling at the injection site, but it was considered lifelong lasting at preventing the disease.

 

[repoman0]

Did the drug companies reduce the effectiveness of the flu vaccine like they did the pertussis vaccine?

You got a very good response to why the flu vaccine is currently not as effective as other vaccines that wiped out diseases and chose to ignore it in favor of continuing to act like a fool. Must be a troll.

The flu virus makes an error in copying its RNA roughly EVERY TIME it replicates. Thus it mutates quickly and after a relatively short time compared to viruses with proof-reading enzymes, your immune system no longer recognizes it and the vaccine for a particular year no longer works.

By the way, a longer-term vaccine for ALL influenza A strains is in the works. Science isn't magic so it takes research and time to develop. There goes your conspiracy theory about the flu purposefully kept around for the sake of profits.

 

[destrekor]

ABC News is a conspiracy site?

And since when does the American Medical Association publish conspiracy articles?

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellne...tive-early-form-study-finds/story?id=16898211

If the current acellular Pertussis is weaker, it wasn't done so intentionally - that's my point.

There was a lot of backlash over the original vaccine, both due to side-effects and possible chance of causing death (later ruled to be an unrelated infant encephalitis), which is why they ultimately chose to move to acellular.
But combined with a possibly slightly weaker version, and a rise in the number who decline vaccines (this has risen and fallen since the '80s in various parts of the world), no wonder there are outbreaks. Even at 80% effectiveness (which is how it is today - that's pretty damn good, regardless. can it be better? perhaps. but at what cost?), it can curb such outbreaks - if there's enough vaccinated to confer herd immunity.



I'm not even touching your ignorance on influenza; enough users have posted the necessary information in this very thread, but you choose to ignore reality for whatever reason.

 

[repoman0]

ABC News is a conspiracy site?

And since when does the American Medical Association publish conspiracy articles?

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellne...tive-early-form-study-finds/story?id=16898211

One paragraph above one of your quotes.

As many as 95 percent of whooping cough cases might result from the waning immunity of people who were initially vaccinated but have not gotten the booster vaccine, according to Dr. William Schaffner, chairman of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, Tenn.

The new vaccine is "safer but not as effective long term" .. so you get booster shots to make it effective long term.

 

[Texashiker]

The new vaccine is "safer but not as effective long term" .. so you get booster shots to make it effective long term.

Which goes along with what I said earlier, how much money do the vaccine companies make off those booster shots?

Lets see, one shot for $20, or a bunch of shots for $20 each?

If the issue was really about public health, lets use the most effective product, instead of the lesser effective and more expensive product.

 

[repoman0]

Which goes along with what I said earlier, how much money do the vaccine companies make off those booster shots?

Lets see, one shot for $20, or a bunch of shots for $20 each?

If the issue was really about public health, lets use the most effective product, instead of the lesser effective and more expensive product.

The original shot killed some people. The best vaccines are those with the best effectiveness and the least side effects. New shot with boosters is effective and doesn't kill people.

The original shot was pulled in the first place due to public outcry. Now the public has a safe version that they pay more for.

 

[WackyDan]

As the parents of a two year old that was severely premature we take our flu shots seriously. There are plenty of people who are not children or old that have to take every precaution as we have to to protect our daughter from getting sick. In our case she is still far under weight and though she is not immune compromised that we know of, we are not taking any chances. So Hysteria? No, but I would call it logical prudence on our part to get vaccinated.

 

[JTsyo]

whatever doesn't kill you only make u stronger.

so far, flu free here while everyone else in my household got sick from the flu already.

I got flu last time in china around july last year. who knows? it could be the same one so I am immune to it already.

So you're the one that brought it over

 

[BudAshes]

I love not getting the flu shot and never getting the flu. My immune system is fucking EPIC!

It's hard to get the flu when you never leave your mom's basement.

 

[BudAshes]

You know what I think a lot of the blame needs to be placed on? The pussification of america. OMG NEED A HAND SANITIZER IN THE CHECKOUT LINE. OMG HAND SANITIZER I TOUCHED A DOOR KNOB!


This is what makes your immune system weak. This is why people are dieing.

quoted for stupidity

 

[DaWhim]

So you're the one that brought it over

the things i brought over are the antibodies inside my body :sneaky: