the fo shizzle rap thread

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: Molondo

Originally posted by: jjsole
Its always cute to see a group of 94% non-black crowd of geeks debate who was the greatest rapper.

Yea, just as ridiciulous as a black guy using the internet

why do you have to be black to debate music that everyone can hear? What makes a black person from the "hood" more adept to debating the issue.

You don't. Yet you're now taking it a step further by referencing "the hood".

Either case, I just think it's cute.

Carry on.

How is that taking it a step further? I highly doubt he was reffering to "black crowd of geeks" right?

 

[grrl]

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
Immortal Technique SUCKS....

he's a "political rapper" give me a break... pretentiously stupid.

keep trying to free mumia abu jamal...........who killed a cop :disgust:

with that said, big L and 2pac are my favorite rappers... and lyrically canibus is up there.

He didn't kill a cop, he was framed by THE MAN!

 

[fire400]

who's that one girl rapper that does stuff with Radio Disney... she is the best... (not really, I'm just being stupid)

best rapper is Ayumi Hamasaki, she doesn't rap really, only in like 1 out of 50 songs, lol

 

[grrl]

Originally posted by: jjsole
Its always cute to see a group of 94% non-black crowd of geeks debate who was the greatest rapper.

What color must one be to talk about jazz then? Or the blues? Or rock?

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: grrl

Originally posted by: jjsole
Its always cute to see a group of 94% non-black crowd of geeks debate who was the greatest rapper.

What color must one be to talk about jazz then? Or the blues? Or rock?

Good point. I'd find it just as cute listening to Snoop Dog and 50cent debating who's had the biggest impact on rock, The Who or the Rolling Stones.

 

[mallik]

Kevin Federline

/THREAD

 

[ballmode]

nope

2pac

 

[KingGheedora]

All the people who say biggie sucks are clueless. Biggie was one of the greatest, if not the greatest rapper. His stuff was original, and sheer genius as far as rap goes.

The people who say Del, Immortal Techniques, Black Thought... come on. Try this test, get someone who doesn't listen to that stuff, to listen to it. You will find yourself embarassed to play it for them because you know it's just not that enjoyable to listen to. And hence, pretentious "real hip hop" fails the test.

Not to say that "real hip hop" isn't something real, and that it isn't better than the mainstream garbage on the air and on MTV... just that a lot of geeks take it overboard with listening to something obscure just to be different. Trust, me, I've listened to (and own CD's by most of these) to everything out there, from Biggie, Tupac, all the guys on Quannum and Anticon, Slug, Murs, Atmosphere, Black Thought, Tribe, Roots, Mos Def, Kurupt, Busta Rhymes, eminem, Dre, Snoop, Nelly, Jay-z, Nas, Binary Star, Black Star, People Under the Stairs, Little Brother, Del/Hieroglyphics, Easy-E, Too Short... plus all types of stuff from other genres, but we're only talking about rap here. When it comes down to it, Biggie is in a league of his own compared to most other rappers.

Elite Rappers:
Biggie
Eminem
A Tribe Called Quest

Not Quite Elite, but Significantly Greater than the Rest:
Jay-z (good at first, put out too much trash after initial success)
Snoop (ditto)
Nas (ditto)
Outkast (ditto, Speakerboxx sucked)
Mos Def (extremelly talented, but last album sucked, strayed away from hip hop)
Tupac

 

[Al Neri]

Originally posted by: KingGheedora
All the people who say biggie sucks are clueless. Biggie was one of the greatest, if not the greatest rapper. His stuff was original, and sheer genius as far as rap goes.

The people who say Del, Immortal Techniques, Black Thought... come on. Try this test, get someone who doesn't listen to that stuff, to listen to it. You will find yourself embarassed to play it for them because you know it's just not that enjoyable to listen to. And hence, pretentious "real hip hop" fails the test.

Not to say that "real hip hop" isn't something real, and that it isn't better than the mainstream garbage on the air and on MTV... just that a lot of geeks take it overboard with listening to something obscure just to be different. Trust, me, I've listened to (and own CD's by most of these) to everything out there, from Biggie, Tupac, all the guys on Quannum and Anticon, Slug, Murs, Atmosphere, Black Thought, Tribe, Roots, Mos Def, Kurupt, Busta Rhymes, eminem, Dre, Snoop, Nelly, Jay-z, Nas, Binary Star, Black Star, People Under the Stairs, Little Brother, Del/Hieroglyphics, Easy-E, Too Short... plus all types of stuff from other genres, but we're only talking about rap here. When it comes down to it, Biggie is in a league of his own compared to most other rappers.

Elite Rappers:
Biggie
Eminem
A Tribe Called Quest

Not Quite Elite, but Significantly Greater than the Rest:
Jay-z (good at first, put out too much trash after initial success)
Snoop (ditto)
Nas (ditto)
Outkast (ditto, Speakerboxx sucked)
Mos Def (extremelly talented, but last album sucked, strayed away from hip hop)
Tupac

:disgust:

 

[edro]

Snoop and Jay-Z.

Their record sales and longevity make them good candidates alone, but it's their effortless style that makes them stand out.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

For me, Chuck D was the best, but that may be partially a generational thing. I still don't think there's a better rap album than It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back.

 

[Superself]

Originally posted by: KingGheedora
All the people who say biggie sucks are clueless. Biggie was one of the greatest, if not the greatest rapper. His stuff was original, and sheer genius as far as rap goes.

The people who say Del, Immortal Techniques, Black Thought... come on. Try this test, get someone who doesn't listen to that stuff, to listen to it. You will find yourself embarassed to play it for them because you know it's just not that enjoyable to listen to. And hence, pretentious "real hip hop" fails the test.

Not to say that "real hip hop" isn't something real, and that it isn't better than the mainstream garbage on the air and on MTV... just that a lot of geeks take it overboard with listening to something obscure just to be different. Trust, me, I've listened to (and own CD's by most of these) to everything out there, from Biggie, Tupac, all the guys on Quannum and Anticon, Slug, Murs, Atmosphere, Black Thought, Tribe, Roots, Mos Def, Kurupt, Busta Rhymes, eminem, Dre, Snoop, Nelly, Jay-z, Nas, Binary Star, Black Star, People Under the Stairs, Little Brother, Del/Hieroglyphics, Easy-E, Too Short... plus all types of stuff from other genres, but we're only talking about rap here. When it comes down to it, Biggie is in a league of his own compared to most other rappers.

Elite Rappers:
Biggie
Eminem
A Tribe Called Quest

Not Quite Elite, but Significantly Greater than the Rest:
Jay-z (good at first, put out too much trash after initial success)
Snoop (ditto)
Nas (ditto)
Outkast (ditto, Speakerboxx sucked)
Mos Def (extremelly talented, but last album sucked, strayed away from hip hop)
Tupac

You and everyone else in this thread are dead wrong.

Best rapper ever is Rakim.

How could you mention anyone else??!! WTF is wrong with people?

Nas would be second...afterwhich there is a significant dropoff.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: KingGheedora
All the people who say biggie sucks are clueless. Biggie was one of the greatest, if not the greatest rapper. His stuff was original, and sheer genius as far as rap goes.

The people who say Del, Immortal Techniques, Black Thought... come on. Try this test, get someone who doesn't listen to that stuff, to listen to it. You will find yourself embarassed to play it for them because you know it's just not that enjoyable to listen to. And hence, pretentious "real hip hop" fails the test.

Not to say that "real hip hop" isn't something real, and that it isn't better than the mainstream garbage on the air and on MTV... just that a lot of geeks take it overboard with listening to something obscure just to be different. Trust, me, I've listened to (and own CD's by most of these) to everything out there, from Biggie, Tupac, all the guys on Quannum and Anticon, Slug, Murs, Atmosphere, Black Thought, Tribe, Roots, Mos Def, Kurupt, Busta Rhymes, eminem, Dre, Snoop, Nelly, Jay-z, Nas, Binary Star, Black Star, People Under the Stairs, Little Brother, Del/Hieroglyphics, Easy-E, Too Short... plus all types of stuff from other genres, but we're only talking about rap here. When it comes down to it, Biggie is in a league of his own compared to most other rappers.

Elite Rappers:
Biggie
Eminem
A Tribe Called Quest

Not Quite Elite, but Significantly Greater than the Rest:
Jay-z (good at first, put out too much trash after initial success)
Snoop (ditto)
Nas (ditto)
Outkast (ditto, Speakerboxx sucked)
Mos Def (extremelly talented, but last album sucked, strayed away from hip hop)
Tupac

I agree 88% of everything you stated here.

 

[imported_Rat]

Tupac. He didn't glamourize ghetto life, he told it in a way sa to garner sympathy. He was not only a talented rapper, but had something important to say.

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: jjsole
Its always cute to see a group of 94% non-black crowd of geeks debate who was the greatest rapper.

White people can't have opinions on rap?

Hell, I don't even want to open this up, but the white nerds are really the people who know whats up in the rap world right now, as pretty much everything good is released from the undeground and the underground word is spread through the internet.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Superself

Originally posted by: KingGheedora
All the people who say biggie sucks are clueless. Biggie was one of the greatest, if not the greatest rapper. His stuff was original, and sheer genius as far as rap goes.

The people who say Del, Immortal Techniques, Black Thought... come on. Try this test, get someone who doesn't listen to that stuff, to listen to it. You will find yourself embarassed to play it for them because you know it's just not that enjoyable to listen to. And hence, pretentious "real hip hop" fails the test.

Not to say that "real hip hop" isn't something real, and that it isn't better than the mainstream garbage on the air and on MTV... just that a lot of geeks take it overboard with listening to something obscure just to be different. Trust, me, I've listened to (and own CD's by most of these) to everything out there, from Biggie, Tupac, all the guys on Quannum and Anticon, Slug, Murs, Atmosphere, Black Thought, Tribe, Roots, Mos Def, Kurupt, Busta Rhymes, eminem, Dre, Snoop, Nelly, Jay-z, Nas, Binary Star, Black Star, People Under the Stairs, Little Brother, Del/Hieroglyphics, Easy-E, Too Short... plus all types of stuff from other genres, but we're only talking about rap here. When it comes down to it, Biggie is in a league of his own compared to most other rappers.

Elite Rappers:
Biggie
Eminem
A Tribe Called Quest

Not Quite Elite, but Significantly Greater than the Rest:
Jay-z (good at first, put out too much trash after initial success)
Snoop (ditto)
Nas (ditto)
Outkast (ditto, Speakerboxx sucked)
Mos Def (extremelly talented, but last album sucked, strayed away from hip hop)
Tupac

You and everyone else in this thread are dead wrong.

Best rapper ever is Rakim.

How could you mention anyone else??!! WTF is wrong with people?

Nas would be second...afterwhich there is a significant dropoff.

just like in sports there are rappers that were pioneers in the game but got eclipsed by those who took their work and built upon it to create something better. a continuing evolution.

Also like in sports many rappers started off their careers stronger than they finished them but this doesn't take away from how great they are/were.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: jjsole
Its always cute to see a group of 94% non-black crowd of geeks debate who was the greatest rapper.

White people can't have opinions on rap?

Hell, I don't even want to open this up, but the white nerds are really the people who know whats up in the rap world right now, as pretty much everything good is released from the undeground and the underground word is spread through the internet.

I am pretty sure all the "hood" underground stuff is spreads throughout the hood without the use of internet.

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: jjsole
Its always cute to see a group of 94% non-black crowd of geeks debate who was the greatest rapper.

White people can't have opinions on rap?

Hell, I don't even want to open this up, but the white nerds are really the people who know whats up in the rap world right now, as pretty much everything good is released from the undeground and the underground word is spread through the internet.

I am pretty sure all the "hood" underground stuff is spreads throughout the hood without the use of internet.

I've been to a fair number of (underground) shows in the past an guess what the race breakup was? Whites outnumbered the blacks by a lage margin.
Hell at the RZA show he said, "I know you all just a bunch of white kids, but you all know whats up, the state of hip hop sucks, throw your motherfvcking Ws in the air".

The average black guy is not going to Wu shows, or Hiero shows, they are going to Chingy and 50 Cent shows.

 

[DougK62]

Biggie the best ever? Are you serious?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: jjsole
Its always cute to see a group of 94% non-black crowd of geeks debate who was the greatest rapper.

White people can't have opinions on rap?

Hell, I don't even want to open this up, but the white nerds are really the people who know whats up in the rap world right now, as pretty much everything good is released from the undeground and the underground word is spread through the internet.

I am pretty sure all the "hood" underground stuff is spreads throughout the hood without the use of internet.

I've been to a fair number of (underground) shows in the past an guess what the race breakup was? Whites outnumbered the blacks by a lage margin.
Hell at the RZA show he said, "I know you all just a bunch of white kids, but you all know whats up, the state of hip hop sucks, throw your motherfvcking Ws in the air".

what hood was this show in?

 

[imported_Rat]

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: jjsole
Its always cute to see a group of 94% non-black crowd of geeks debate who was the greatest rapper.

White people can't have opinions on rap?

Hell, I don't even want to open this up, but the white nerds are really the people who know whats up in the rap world right now, as pretty much everything good is released from the undeground and the underground word is spread through the internet.

And what does that have to do with white people?

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: Rat

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: jjsole
Its always cute to see a group of 94% non-black crowd of geeks debate who was the greatest rapper.

White people can't have opinions on rap?

Hell, I don't even want to open this up, but the white nerds are really the people who know whats up in the rap world right now, as pretty much everything good is released from the undeground and the underground word is spread through the internet.

And what does that have to do with white people?

Sorry, non-blacks.

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: jjsole
Its always cute to see a group of 94% non-black crowd of geeks debate who was the greatest rapper.

White people can't have opinions on rap?

Hell, I don't even want to open this up, but the white nerds are really the people who know whats up in the rap world right now, as pretty much everything good is released from the undeground and the underground word is spread through the internet.

I am pretty sure all the "hood" underground stuff is spreads throughout the hood without the use of internet.

I've been to a fair number of (underground) shows in the past an guess what the race breakup was? Whites outnumbered the blacks by a lage margin.
Hell at the RZA show he said, "I know you all just a bunch of white kids, but you all know whats up, the state of hip hop sucks, throw your motherfvcking Ws in the air".

what hood was this show in?

It was not in a hood.
Admitedly it was in an area where there were not many black people, but he implied it was like that everywhere.

 

[Superself]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Superself

Originally posted by: KingGheedora
All the people who say biggie sucks are clueless. Biggie was one of the greatest, if not the greatest rapper. His stuff was original, and sheer genius as far as rap goes.

The people who say Del, Immortal Techniques, Black Thought... come on. Try this test, get someone who doesn't listen to that stuff, to listen to it. You will find yourself embarassed to play it for them because you know it's just not that enjoyable to listen to. And hence, pretentious "real hip hop" fails the test.

Not to say that "real hip hop" isn't something real, and that it isn't better than the mainstream garbage on the air and on MTV... just that a lot of geeks take it overboard with listening to something obscure just to be different. Trust, me, I've listened to (and own CD's by most of these) to everything out there, from Biggie, Tupac, all the guys on Quannum and Anticon, Slug, Murs, Atmosphere, Black Thought, Tribe, Roots, Mos Def, Kurupt, Busta Rhymes, eminem, Dre, Snoop, Nelly, Jay-z, Nas, Binary Star, Black Star, People Under the Stairs, Little Brother, Del/Hieroglyphics, Easy-E, Too Short... plus all types of stuff from other genres, but we're only talking about rap here. When it comes down to it, Biggie is in a league of his own compared to most other rappers.

Elite Rappers:
Biggie
Eminem
A Tribe Called Quest

Not Quite Elite, but Significantly Greater than the Rest:
Jay-z (good at first, put out too much trash after initial success)
Snoop (ditto)
Nas (ditto)
Outkast (ditto, Speakerboxx sucked)
Mos Def (extremelly talented, but last album sucked, strayed away from hip hop)
Tupac

You and everyone else in this thread are dead wrong.

Best rapper ever is Rakim.

How could you mention anyone else??!! WTF is wrong with people?

Nas would be second...afterwhich there is a significant dropoff.

just like in sports there are rappers that were pioneers in the game but got eclipsed by those who took their work and built upon it to create something better. a continuing evolution.

Also like in sports many rappers started off their careers stronger than they finished them but this doesn't take away from how great they are/were.

Rakim was never eclipsed by anyone ever.

I just think some people need to go back and listen. He was ahead of his time and his lyrics/songs even by today's standards are far far superior.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: jjsole
Its always cute to see a group of 94% non-black crowd of geeks debate who was the greatest rapper.

White people can't have opinions on rap?

Hell, I don't even want to open this up, but the white nerds are really the people who know whats up in the rap world right now, as pretty much everything good is released from the undeground and the underground word is spread through the internet.

I am pretty sure all the "hood" underground stuff is spreads throughout the hood without the use of internet.

I've been to a fair number of (underground) shows in the past an guess what the race breakup was? Whites outnumbered the blacks by a lage margin.
Hell at the RZA show he said, "I know you all just a bunch of white kids, but you all know whats up, the state of hip hop sucks, throw your motherfvcking Ws in the air".

what hood was this show in?

It was not in a hood.

that explains why everyone was white