The Fury Nano Thread

[monstercameron]

I agree, it's a horrible decision to compare it to the 970, the 970 is close to half the price, it makes Nano look overpriced...

I just searched on google for "970 mini" and got an amazon link for $312 (292 after rebate) for a short pcb 970 from gigabyte lol

IMHO you are right, they should have tested a 980ti and compared it to that becuase the form factor isn't very important. Sigh, I swear there are so many silly people on at.

 

[SPBHM]

IMHO you are right, they should have tested a 980ti and compared it to that becuase the form factor isn't very important. Sigh, I swear there are so many silly people on at.

well, they could tell your the card is "almost" like a 980 ti in performance but fits small cases and uses less power, both also share a similar price,

while the 970 mini is half the price, and Nano is 30% faster according to AMD,

the first option sounds less overpriced to me...

 

[railven]

Well, AMD says it's faster. That's what we're talking about.

AMD also called the Fury X an "overclocker's dream"

AMD tried the perf/$ and too many idiots insisted on paying extra purely due to brand, not performance.

I personally think that strat worked for AMD when their cards weren't getting slaughtered at the reviews due to a godawful cooler. Had AMD refreshed the 290/290X a lot sooner, they probably wouldn't have cratered in market share and might even had been able to bolster MSRP.

 

[casiofx]

I agree, it's a horrible decision to compare it to the 970, the 970 is close to half the price, it makes Nano look overpriced...

I just searched on google for "970 mini" and got an amazon link for $312 (292 after rebate) for a short pcb 970 from gigabyte lol

Gigabyte 970 mini seriously?
Did you do your homework buddy? This card is famous for being loud, hot, crashes frequently and complained for having bad quality control. Go ahead and recommend it to your friends and wait them to screw you up later.

 

[tential]

I work for Smiths City in NZ. I'm not involved in online sales, marketing, etc.. Nothing at all to do with any product or service or anything at all that we discuss here.

Interesting how you took my question that way. I wasn't accusing you of shilling like you just did with me. I honestly wanted to make sure that before I simply dismissed your marketing advice you didn't actually know what you were talking about and it was me who might not understand.

I do have 40 years experience at retailing at a lot of levels. Sales, management, etc... So, I do have some knowledge of marketing.

I wasn't accusing you of shilling. I was saying that do you want to say that online? I don't say personal information online. I post on other sites with this same username where people are a lot more vindictive (aka find your personal information/call your employer and get you fired/create a thread and laugh about it). So personal information about my work is a no go sadly.
You'd ask why did I post on those sites... the internet's a changed place my friend

 

[SPBHM]

Gigabyte 970 mini seriously?
Did you do your homework buddy? This card is famous for being loud, hot, crashes frequently and complained for having bad quality control. Go ahead and recommend it to your friends and wait them to screw you up later.

less than half the price, Guru3d recommends it, can't be that bad
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_geforce_gtx_970_oc_mini_itx_review,29.html

 

[casiofx]

less than half the price, Guru3d recommends it, can't be that bad
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_geforce_gtx_970_oc_mini_itx_review,29.html

You should check user's feedback, many complaints about the same problems.

 

[LTC8K6]

You should check user's feedback, many complaints about the same problems.

There are other 970 mini cards in the same price range if the Gigabyte card has a bad rep.

I seem to remember a lot of complaints about Fury X as well.

 

[casiofx]

There are other 970 mini cards in the same price range if the Gigabyte card has a bad rep.

I seem to remember a lot of complaints about Fury X as well.

Only Asus, and it costs more.

Complaints about Fury X? Does the problem related to instability until the user have computer crashes and blackscreen until they cannot game on it reliably? If not then stop comparing these two as the severity of the problems is not the same:thumbsdown:

 

[LTC8K6]

Noisy pumps were commonplace. A bad thing for a top dog card.

http://www.amazon.com/Asus-GTX970-D...id=1440814903&sr=8-2&keywords=GV-N970IXOC-4GD

Still way cheaper.

Even the turbo with the blower is $324

 

[tential]

Noisy pumps were commonplace. A bad thing for a top dog card.

http://www.amazon.com/Asus-GTX970-D...id=1440814903&sr=8-2&keywords=GV-N970IXOC-4GD

Still way cheaper.

Even the turbo with the blower is $324

reference 290x level noise.

See, the problem AGAIN is that you would post that as a viable alternative to AMD.
Why are you posting that?
Because AMD said 30% faster than GTX 970 Mini.
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I typed a lot more but I'll get to the worst part of what you just posted.
Fury Nano is limited volume product.
It's being pitted DIRECTLY against GTX 970, a far cheaper product with a TON of stock built up.

You've essentially given the GTX 970 mini a TON of free marketing, and the card is in stock, while yours isn't.

Are we serious?

The pitfalls in this product launch are so easy to pick out a child could do it why are people saying that AMD launched the R9 Nano remotely well?

I'm not saying it's a bad product, I like the product, I think it's worth $650 even. I really think crossfire Nano is just cool.

AMD just sucked at presenting a cool product.

 

[Silverforce11]

@tential
You dont need to worry about AMD's marketing. Just see how it goes first, if its sold out everywhere, it doesn't matter how they market it.

 

[tential]

@tential
You dont need to worry about AMD's marketing. Just see how it goes first, if its sold out everywhere, it doesn't matter how they market it.

I don't doubt it'll be sold out everywhere it's a low volume product just like Fury X.

Marketing matters at all times. Every point in the customer experience is something you analyze. From the time a customer hears about my brand, to the time a customer makes a purchase, to the time a customer leaves me, I'm thinking about their experience.

A/B Testing is crucial in this respect.

Learning what customers react to and what they hate. A simple design decision like putting your menu bar on the right hand of your site vs the left can have a MASSIVE effect in sales.

Phrases using terms implying a customer is missing out on a deal that everyone ELSE are FAR more effective at marketing for targeted ad, vs implying the customer is getting the BEST deal on a product.

That's just shortsighted if AMD isn't worrying about marketing irregardless of volume/sales. You always worry.

 

[3DVagabond]

I personally think that strat worked for AMD when their cards weren't getting slaughtered at the reviews due to a godawful cooler. Had AMD refreshed the 290/290X a lot sooner, they probably wouldn't have cratered in market share and might even had been able to bolster MSRP.

I don't know why they waited so long to refresh Hawaii either. They obviously could have released the "390/X" at any time (right after the mining craze, for instance) and accomplished exactly what you say. If it can compete with the 980 today, the 780 ti would have been easy.

Sometimes I wonder if we aren't all part of some social experiment.

 

[3DVagabond]

I wasn't accusing you of shilling. I was saying that do you want to say that online? I don't say personal information online. I post on other sites with this same username where people are a lot more vindictive (aka find your personal information/call your employer and get you fired/create a thread and laugh about it). So personal information about my work is a no go sadly.
You'd ask why did I post on those sites... the internet's a changed place my friend

I wasn't trying to get personal.

 

[Final8ty]

Spoiler

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic...inted-and-machined-build-for-the-amd-r9-nano/

 

[Silverforce11]

If Nano is 95% of a Fury X at 150W gaming load, there's really no better option for mITX enthusiasts. There's plenty of excellent cases off the shelf without the need for fancy 3d printing.

My current favourite:

The Silverstone RVZ02 is also pretty nice.

 

[LTC8K6]

If Nano is 95% of Fury X at 150W, then why in the world would AMD ever bother with Fury X?

 

[Silverforce11]

If Nano is 95% of Fury X at 150W, then why in the world would AMD ever bother with Fury X?

For people who want that 5% and water cooling advantages who don't care about power usage.

 

[desprado]

For people who want that 5% and water cooling advantages who don't care about power usage.

A card which is worst at overclocking in the history of high end GPUs is a waste for an waster cooling.

If AMD take my advice than they should discard water cooling from Fury X and sell it at $550.

 

[Silverforce11]

A card which is worst at overclocking in the history of high end GPUs is a waste for an waster cooling.

If AMD take my advice than they should discard water cooling from Fury X and sell it at $550.

They'll probably take your advice when they have more stock to move. Kinda self defeating to lower the price when it's selling out.

 

[tential]

They'll probably take your advice when they have more stock to move. Kinda self defeating to lower the price when it's selling out.

Yup, right now, despite the FUry X "OC dream" thing, it's a great card. It's a card that l;ooks great too, it's impressive.

But I'll stick with the 290x, I just decided to stop holding out. Put bids on multiple cards. Time to have some fun lol.

CAn you test your power consumption with a power limit vs undervolt or something? I'm most likely going to get crossfire, but even if I don't, I'd want the option to limit my power when I can.

 

[Silverforce11]

Yup, right now, despite the FUry X "OC dream" thing, it's a great card. It's a card that l;ooks great too, it's impressive.

But I'll stick with the 290x, I just decided to stop holding out. Put bids on multiple cards. Time to have some fun lol.

CAn you test your power consumption with a power limit vs undervolt or something? I'm most likely going to get crossfire, but even if I don't, I'd want the option to limit my power when I can.

I already tested power consumption with both power limit and undervolt. If you already have an R290X you can do it yourself. Boot up Valley or whatever bench you use, leave it on auto and bench away. GPU-Z monitors VRM data on current flow at a certain voltage, converted into watts, that's what your GPU actually use, minus any inefficiencies in the system/PSU (readings from the wall).

Then its just a simple case of testing it with -25% power limit in CC and -50% and see your clock rate & performance. Mine drops from ~175W avg Valley usage at stock to ~105W. Peak power drop from ~226W (which is equivalent to ~250W from wall), to ~170W. Performance loss is 11%. My GPU under load maintains its fan at idle speed 20%, so I know for a fact the power usage definitely drop heaps due to the lesser heat output.

Info here: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37596583&postcount=136

Basically I can get an R290X performing like a 970, at even better perf/w. That's the nice thing with undervolting control.

 

[tential]

I already tested power consumption with both power limit and undervolt. If you already have an R290X you can do it yourself. Boot up Valley or whatever bench you use, leave it on auto and bench away. GPU-Z monitors VRM data on current flow at a certain voltage, converted into watts, that's what your GPU actually use, minus any inefficiencies in the system/PSU (readings from the wall).

Then its just a simple case of testing it with -25% power limit in CC and -50% and see your clock rate & performance. Mine drops from ~175W avg Valley usage at stock to ~105W. Peak power drop from ~226W (which is equivalent to ~250W from wall), to ~170W. Performance loss is 11%. My GPU under load maintains its fan at idle speed 20%, so I know for a fact the power usage definitely drop heaps due to the lesser heat output.

Info here: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37596583&postcount=136

Basically I can get an R290X performing like a 970, at even better perf/w. That's the nice thing with undervolting control.

I didn't yet, placed bids on ebay, and offers on used market now.

I'd remembered you posting that earlier. That's what inspired me to go with getting multiple r9 290xs/290s. I could crossfire, undervolt, and basically just have a super quiet gaming rig.

With a GPU intake fan installed, my 7950 OCs like a beast (no surprise) and is super cool now. Ridiculously so.

So I want to try the 290x in crossfire now to hold me over to Arctic Islands where I'll look at the dual high end model card(hopefully with CLC) which would really make my day for 4K gaming.

 

[Silverforce11]

I don't think anything next gen will approach the bang for buck of CF R290/X, since you can get them real cheap.

With an undervolt, they do indeed run cool & quiet and save a lot of power. It's this reason that I didn't go for Fury X.