The Fury Nano Thread

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railven

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If Nano is 95% of Fury X at 150W, then why in the world would AMD ever bother with Fury X?

One of my initial posts and people felt I was some how mocking AMD or their products.

If the "library quiet" claim is anyone where true, the only positive argument I could see anyone support Fury X is the temperature. Which, then goes against what people said about AMD cards running hot being an issue to begin with.

If Fury Nano is within 10% of Fury X, I personally feel it invalidates Fury X. There are more people who'd prefer a air-cooled card (especially a small one like this) over a radiator.

(For AMD it probably also has higher margins, and if the trick is as simple as putting a lower power limit, they can pump these little guys out as fast as Fury X's, if not faster.)
 

tential

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One of my initial posts and people felt I was some how mocking AMD or their products.

If the "library quiet" claim is anyone where true, the only positive argument I could see anyone support Fury X is the temperature. Which, then goes against what people said about AMD cards running hot being an issue to begin with.

If Fury Nano is within 10% of Fury X, I personally feel it invalidates Fury X. There are more people who'd prefer a air-cooled card (especially a small one like this) over a radiator.

(For AMD it probably also has higher margins, and if the trick is as simple as putting a lower power limit, they can pump these little guys out as fast as FurY X's.)

Considering Fury X hits R9 Nanos with a 50% power limited, it's clear that they wanted an air cooled and WC cooled version of their high end card.

They just presented it poorly.
 

tential

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I don't think anything next gen will approach the bang for buck of CF R290/X, since you can get them real cheap.

With an undervolt, they do indeed run cool & quiet and save a lot of power. It's this reason that I didn't go for Fury X.

720W PSU so the power consumption is a factor. I'll just limit the power usage though until my monitor comes out in decent retail availability. Then new PSU+Monitor I guess lol. Still cheaper than a single high end card.
 

railven

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Considering Fury X hits R9 Nanos with a 50% power limited, it's clear that they wanted an air cooled and WC cooled version of their high end card.

They just presented it poorly.

Which is the problem with Fury X. Without that "Overclocker's dream" aspect, what was the point in the watercooler?

Sapphire Fury with it's broadsword cooler made it redundant (and it's cheaper, the perf difference is marginal honestly).

And now Fury Nano if the acoustics are decent will remove the other bragging point for Fury X - it's perfect for small builds.

Just feels like the Fury X is the bastard child of the family. That poor card can't catch a break.
 
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It's been mentioned there's like 300K rigs that have multi-GPU (from steam survey? I dont recall).. but still, some of them have 4 GPUs, so there's potential there for a lot of high end GPUs to sell.

It's a niche yes, but a pretty big one and big margins for GPU makers. Its obviously worth it why is why SLI & CF keep on being supported and improved upon.
 

tential

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Which is the problem with Fury X. Without that "Overclocker's dream" aspect, what was the point in the watercooler?

Sapphire Fury with it's broadsword cooler made it redundant (and it's cheaper, the perf difference is marginal honestly).

And now Fury Nano if the acoustics are decent will remove the other bragging point for Fury X - it's perfect for small builds.

Just feels like the Fury X is the bastard child of the family. That poor card can't catch a break.

If it could OC, it'd be great. But I think it's simple. They thought it would be a better clocked card well at the start. The team has a new CMO that started last year. They've laid the groundwork for their high end series. They had to work with what they had.

It's a good start for AMD. They dispelled one MASSIVE issue they had, which was that all of their cards run hot.
Arctic Islands should just build on what they have.

So next time around, you'll see $650 WC high end card (That can actually OC as I doubt we'll see 2 dud OC chips in a row).
$650 Air cooled tiny chip that is completely silent, but still stupidly fast.
down the line etc.

AMD can set a reputation now doing a complete 180 degrees and try to establish themselves as cool/quiet. And really, they are making it HARD to get a very very loud chip.

If DX12 launches off well for AMD at the start, and AMD has Fury X in volume in December with a DX12 game bundle and DX12 performance lead?
AMD can establish themselves as the cool/quiet/performance king. Which is what I think they had wanted to do all along with Fury X, it just wasn't fast enough at launch and the OC dream was just a really really really dumb misstep.

It's painfully clear though, AMD wants to establish they are cool/quiet, because they are being very careful with who is making the cards and they themselves have now opted to make the Fury X, and R9 Nano, to be wildly different/premium coolers from what we've seen previously on high end reference cards.

This part of AMDs strategy at least seems clear to me.

If arctic islands continues a $650 high end card with CLC, that's where my money will go.
 

railven

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It's been mentioned there's like 300K rigs that have multi-GPU (from steam survey? I dont recall).. but still, some of them have 4 GPUs, so there's potential there for a lot of high end GPUs to sell.

It's a niche yes, but a pretty big one and big margins for GPU makers. Its obviously worth it why is why SLI & CF keep on being supported and improved upon.

And if the Nano offers you 90% of the performance, and expands your case options?

It yet again proves to be the better product, plus still having most likely better margins.

There are tons of SLI/CFX users that will continue to use air cooled cards, for reasons. And they (I'd argue) outnumber users that will go the extra mile to secure an CLC.

Then you got people who are going to use their own loops in this equation where the CLC just basically goes to waste.

If it could OC, it'd be great. But I think it's simple. They thought it would be a better clocked card well at the start. The team has a new CMO that started last year. They've laid the groundwork for their high end series. They had to work with what they had.

This is very reasonable, which just supports my thoughts that it seems Fury X is destined to be the red-headed step child.

It's a good start for AMD. They dispelled one MASSIVE issue they had, which was that all of their cards run hot.
Arctic Islands should just build on what they have.

Not really...Fury X got a black eye from the noise from multiple reviewers and users. If anything Fury with the Sapphire cooler dispelled the most complaints against AMD hardware. We had a user here go through I believe 3 Fury X's only to finally get a Fury.

So next time around, you'll see $650 WC high end card (That can actually OC as I doubt we'll see 2 dud OC chips in a row).
$650 Air cooled tiny chip that is completely silent, but still stupidly fast.
down the line etc.

I seriously doubt this, again because the Fury X's original price got impacted by GTX 980 Ti. (Which is what I was trying to argue with you in the other thread.) If 980 Ti didn't exist, there was nothing stopping Fury X from being $700-750 and with that Nano being the same price.

AMD can set a reputation now doing a complete 180 degrees and try to establish themselves as cool/quiet. And really, they are making it HARD to get a very very loud chip.

I doubt they will. Not if they're going to chase after Nvidia's price premium. At least not with what is left of this generation. You got a chip that is marginally smaller, using more transistors, AND STILL comes out being hotter and using more power to lose in most resolutions/tests. And if it is true that DX12 increases load usage due to the chips having less idle portions, that's just going to increase power consumption and heat.

If DX12 launches off well for AMD at the start, and AMD has Fury X in volume in December with a DX12 game bundle and DX12 performance lead?
AMD can establish themselves as the cool/quiet/performance king. Which is what I think they had wanted to do all along with Fury X, it just wasn't fast enough at launch and the OC dream was just a really really really dumb misstep.

Now we're back on the "what if's" and "wait and see" mentallity that got AMD in this hole to begin with. They need to act NOW. Nvidia already showed us multiple times when the new API is the standard they will act, and them acting has demolished AMD's fanfare almost every single time. They can launch with this DX12 advantage all they want, and if you have 290X == 980 Ti in some games, you'll probably see what has been happening for some time - AMD users sitting on their cards longer. If hwen the next set of cards from both come out and NV delivers their counter and it's better - what did the DX12 advantage serve? Just like the tessellation advantage? Or the GDDR5 advantage? Or the unified shader advantage?

It's painfully clear though, AMD wants to establish they are cool/quiet, because they are being very careful with who is making the cards and they themselves have now opted to make the Fury X, and R9 Nano, to be wildly different/premium coolers from what we've seen previously on high end reference cards.

This part of AMDs strategy at least seems clear to me.

It just tells me AMD's chips are still hotter and they are at least addressing that issue. Without Nano temp info, I don't know how good that cooler will be but I'm going on their slide of "library quiet" which I assume it means it is adequate and quiet - just another black eye to Fury X.

If arctic islands continues a $650 high end card with CLC, that's where my money will go.

And I honestly think you're going to be disappointed because it seems you continue to acknowledge what Nvidia did with their 980 Ti.

If I had to guess, we won't see CLC on any card from the vendor - only the AIB custom options and at that with a nice premium over the air versions. There is no reason for AMD nor Nvidia to lose margins on this.
 

tential

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I'm just guessing on AMD's strategy was. Not how it actually played out....

980Ti is a great card.
It can't do what I need. So it's irrelevant for me. Hence why Arctic Islands high end is what I get next. Gsync isn't coming to monitors I will ever purchase. Freesync is coming to a ton of monitors that I actually will.
980Ti is the fastest high end card.
But for my purposes, I just need the card to provide payable freesync/gsync range graphics.
When Nvidia makes Gsync flexible and puts it in big screen monitors, then I'll get Nvidia.
 

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So next time around, you'll see $650 WC high end card (That can actually OC as I doubt we'll see 2 dud OC chips in a row).
$650 Air cooled tiny chip that is completely silent, but still stupidly fast.
down the line etc.

Too late for that
 

railven

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I'm just guessing on AMD's strategy was. Not how it actually played out....

I completely am too, and I've said there are some pieces missing to make my conclusion more whole. But just going on that PR deck they released, Nano just sounds like a better product all around for the consumer and for AMD (again likely better margins due to no CLC or handling any recalls).

980Ti is a great card.
It can't do what I need. So it's irrelevant for me. Hence why Arctic Islands high end is what I get next. Gsync isn't coming to monitors I will ever purchase. Freesync is coming to a ton of monitors that I actually will.
980Ti is the fastest high end card.
But for my purposes, I just need the card to provide payable freesync/gsync range graphics.
When Nvidia makes Gsync flexible and puts it in big screen monitors, then I'll get Nvidia.

I'm not even trying to promote 980 Ti as the solution here, more so it created what I believe is a huge dent in AMD's strategy. Prior to the release of 980 Ti, the rumors for Fury X price were high, higher than $650, some teetering at $800. They wanted to chase the Titan X premium, if they had a product that was 95% of the TItan X in their internal benchmarks, you think they'd settle for 65% of the price? That's just leaving money on the table. The fact that 980 Ti is a reject Titan X gives Nvidia whatever leeway they wanted to charge. Sure, they too could have charged more since it too is 95% of the Titan X, but for them it was all profits to begin with. For AMD it was a slap in the face and them having to sell a card that most likely cost a good amount of money at $650.

Which is why I wouldn't be surprised of Fury X with CLC becomes even rarer especially if Nano DOES end up launching successfully. I think you were on the money when you said it should be called Fury X Nano. I wouldn't be surprised if Fury X hits air versions and the CLC becomes an after thought.
 

tential

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High end CLC is here to stay.

Fury X CLC
Fury X Air
Fury X Nano
Fury

You got to remember how bad the supply is.

But that's how the lineup looks for Arctic Islands once you have enough supply.

AMD supplies the reference CLC design with their cooler that they clearly have put effort into developing, this isn't a 1 off design. Sorry, the R9295x2 was the start of the CLC phase for AMD. This is what they want to do.
This may carry a higher price than the Air AIB models later, but it will ensure AMD gets that great launch review that they've been sorely missing each time.

Then you have the Air AIB models. These are going to be cheaper probably than the CLC model even though it's the same chip although OC models may be faster/more expensive.

Then the Nano model. This will be very close, but will be power constrained in comparison to the air model. AMD will provide this lineups reference model. I think they'll judge the waters when they open it up to AIBs later to see how AIBs do. If AIBs do well, I don't think they'll continue to supply a reference model of the Nano in the future. I AMD only wants to provide a reference model where they feel they absolutely have to.

Fury
AIB models, no reference, we have the Sapphire Tri-X OC. If AMD is intelligent though, they'll focus their supply to AIBs who have a good cooling design first, and will ask those who don't to rework it before getting supply.

Anyway, that's what I'd hope AMD is planning with this.
 

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I think the Nano will shine when they release aftermarket water/air cooled solutions. Nano is a modders base card that AMD is supporting.
 

LTC8K6

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I think the Nano will shine when they release aftermarket water/air cooled solutions. Nano is a modders base card that AMD is supporting.

Nano likely won't handle much above it's power limit.

It's power delivery circuitry is cut down for the small space and for the 175W power limit.
 

tential

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AMD won't allow AIBs to up the Nano's 175W TDP limit. It would kill Fury X sales.
I mean it depends on what you want. I find both chips to be interesting.

Fury x is Still good even with nano able to hit the same numbers.

They're the same price. I see some people definitely want air cooled.

Betweenthe 2 I'd take fury x and exhaust that heat out of my case instead.

It's why I'm excited for Arctic islands clc card. It'll make my cooling for my case great and be the last step with out extra work of building a clc, buying a more expensive clc card, etc.
 

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AMD won't allow AIBs to up the Nano's 175W TDP limit. It would kill Fury X sales.

who cares if it kills fury x sales? They're the same freakin' price. If anything, it might be more profitable for AMD due to the lack of the watercooling unit on the Nano.
 

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Nano will be great for those who want top dog crossfire performance in a smallish case. Imagine a small footprint case sporting two of them
 

Gikaseixas

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who cares if it kills fury x sales? They're the same freakin' price. If anything, it might be more profitable for AMD due to the lack of the watercooling unit on the Nano.

Yes, Nano should provide higher margins due to the cooling system
 

tential

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who cares if it kills fury x sales? They're the same freakin' price. If anything, it might be more profitable for AMD due to the lack of the watercooling unit on the Nano.

Fury X is also sold out... you can't kill the sales of that lol.
 
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GOLD!!

http://techreport.com/news/28971/wanted-for-review-amd-radeon-r9-nano

These same guys who repeatedly find results that are so much worse for AMD than most other sites...

These same bunch who threw out Dirt Showdown for "bias" due to poor NV performance... but lavish praise on Project Cars..

The same site that finds XDMA CF stutters worse than SLI when every other site find the opposite...

About time AMD. Well played you guys, now you're catching on!
 

Elixer

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GOLD!!

http://techreport.com/news/28971/wanted-for-review-amd-radeon-r9-nano

These same guys who repeatedly find results that are so much worse for AMD than most other sites...

These same bunch who threw out Dirt Showdown for "bias" due to poor NV performance... but lavish praise on Project Cars..

The same site that finds XDMA CF stutters worse than SLI when every other site find the opposite...

About time AMD. Well played you guys, now you're catching on!
Well, they said they want to do a ' independent review', they never said anything about wanting to do a 'fair independent review'.
One does wonder though, if supply is going to be as tight as everyone thinks it will be, what about this site, and their policy of 'give us a card, and we will keep it'?

In other Nano news, tomorrow afternoon, at 12pm PT / 3pm ET on AMD's twitch channel, they will be showing off the card, and one lucky SOB will actually win a Nano. (Thursdays are the usual giveaway day).
AMD Radeon Graphics ‏@AMDRadeon 9h9 hours ago

We're going to #MakeItNano on our @Twitch tomorrow from 2-4PM CT and we're giving one away! http://www.twitch.tv/amd
 
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GOLD!!

http://techreport.com/news/28971/wanted-for-review-amd-radeon-r9-nano

These same guys who repeatedly find results that are so much worse for AMD than most other sites...

These same bunch who threw out Dirt Showdown for "bias" due to poor NV performance... but lavish praise on Project Cars..

The same site that finds XDMA CF stutters worse than SLI when every other site find the opposite...

About time AMD. Well played you guys, now you're catching on!

You realize that this is not good PR, right?
 
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