The future of the GOP

[blackangst1]

I think its interesting the refrences to religion. The Dems are guilty as well, if not by speech then by action. Has not the Democratic party been champoins for the needs of all of the poor, the weak, the oppressed, and the ordinary working men and women of America? Guess what - these are Jesus' techings. Do a search "Democrats for jesus" and read the results.

Look. I agree the GOP is more vocal about their beliefs but shit...wasnt Clinton proud of his church going? Hasnt Obama claimed to be a Christian? Dont be so quick to condemn those who represent you as well.

 

[RightIsWrong]

I think that they should jump as quickly and as far as they can off of the religious right bandwagon and actually start practicing what they preach when it comes to fiscal policy.

The nation as a whole is getting younger, not older. Younger people do not like being told how to think, act, dress, etc. They are rebelling against the established religious forces. Church membership and/or attendance is down. Sex is becoming less and less taboo. Homosexuality is being seen for what it is, a natural occurrence in some people that shouldn't be demonized.

The Repubs have been talking for decades about fiscal responsibility but have given away the kitchen sink each and every time they have gotten into power. At least with the Dems, you know that they are going to gouge you. The population is tired of being lied to and just getting lip service.

Get off your hypocritically moral high-horse and close the spigot of tax payer money to corporations and you will see an increase in party interest.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I love to laugh at these threads by and for liberals on what the GOP should/will do....

I'm a social libertarian with extremely conservative fiscal ideals. Fuck you if you think that only a liberal would care about the future of the GOP. It's patently obvious that the Democrats are kicking ass right now, and what for? Why is actual conservatism a bad thing?

Are you a neocon?

"only" no, I don't "only" think liberals "care". However, I find these threads here hilarious because obviously the left wants the GOP to move more towards them. Just like those of us on the right would like the Dems to move right to be more like us.

So again, I laugh at these threads started by and for liberals.(insert blah blah blah about you being "libertarian" :roll: or others whining about they are "independents" :roll: )

God damn you're an annoying trollish jerk.

If you'd paid attention at ALL, you'd see my praise for Reagan, for Eisenhower, for conservative fiscal policy, and for true conservatives like William F. Buckley.

The ONLY people who truly care about what's going to happen to the GOP are those who actually want a conservative party to represent them. Today's GOP isn't doing it.

Get this : we don't want a fiscally liberal, socially fascist party. That's just not working for us. We want : low spending, low taxes, responsible leadership. That means if war is what is needed (Afghanistan), kick their fucking asses. If war is uncalled for (Iraq), go back to the table.

Yep. We want an old school Republican.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Snoop
For me, I would love to see the repubs move to the center on social issues and a swing FAR to the right on fiscal policy. Also, dump the religious right.

Sounds good to me.

I'd vote for that Republican party. Too bad it's a pipe dream.

Sounds sorta like the democrats, though the democrats when they're doing better have more social programs that do good things for the nation than you might like.

Center on social issues? How are the dems not that? Swing to the right on fiscal policy? Dems are the ones pushing for 'pay as you go' and who last balanced the budget - and the last time before that, too. Dump the religious right? Dems again. But the right-wing media machine has made many people not disposed to even consider the issues rationally.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Evan
They'll move left on both social and economic issues. They have to, no choice with Hispanics voting Dem overwhelming and predicted to make up more of the population than whites by 2050. Repubs have to start thinking about new constituencies.

I think you are wrong.

1. You can't move further left that the Democrats thus you can never move far enough to the left to get those voters. All you do by moving left is lose your base.

2. Hispanic voters tend to be socially conservative. What killed the Republicans this time around was their anti-immigration stance.

Also, let's not forget that the Democrats will do the same thing the Republicans did, which is over step their bounds. People are voting for an Obama who acts like a middle of the road politician, they are NOT voting for Pelosi and Ried who are far to the left. When they elect middle of the road Obama but end up with lefty policies I think they will not be happy and will swing back the other way.

You can't move further left that the Democrats thus you can never move far enough to the left to get those voters. All you do by moving left is lose your base.

And that's part of the problem with a religious base. They don't tolerate heresy so the Republicans can't move towards the center at all and therefore their predicament. Keep to the same policies and become a permanent minority or move to the center and face a third party exodus

Hispanic voters tend to be socially conservative. What killed the Republicans this time around was their anti-immigration stance.

Yet, the Republican base is rabidly anti-immigration. And so the Republicans face the same problem as above. They can't go pro-immigration or face the loss of thier base to a third party

Also, let's not forget that the Democrats will do the same thing the Republicans did, which is over step their bounds.
I hear this way to often. Just because Republicans were irresponsible doesn't mean the Dems will be. In fact, don't the Repubs keep saying the Dems are nothing like us?

 

[MagicConch]

Now that both parties have agreed to abandon any attempt at real fiscal responsibility, they lost their one advantage (borrow and spend) that got them 20 years of white house. They are kidding themselves if they think they can attribute their success since 1980 to anything else, and Obama is kidding himself if he thinks he would get this level of support while proposing a balanced budget. I hope they can come up with something new instead of "fear terrorists and support the party the military supports if you are a real patriot" thing again next time.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Neither of the parties is worth a shit. If we can't redo it from the ground up the next best would be to split parties along theory lines.

Republicans should split to Libertarians, Republicans, and Constitution. Libertarians are looking for individual rights above all, Republicans looking for state rights over all, and Constitution wants a theocracy.

Democrats should split to Green, Socialist, and Democrat. Greens are environmentalists, Socialists are, well, socialists, and Democrats are looking for strong, proactive central government without the socialist economic overtones.

Those splits would allow a MUCH closer fit with individual political stances and greatly strengthen each segment.

Yeah, this current two party system really is a joke, both sides are just way too entrenched to actually see change for the better on a reasonable timescale. Its party vs. party and candidates always seem to be responsible to their party and not to the people as they should be.

As others have already pointed out, Obama seems like a crazy choice based on his positions and experience, but is almost a sure thing to win if only because of his charisma and the public's very negative perception of the republican party at the current time, and that's not how the system should work, regardless of whether or not it favors how we want it to work out.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I love to laugh at these threads by and for liberals on what the GOP should/will do....

I'm a social libertarian with extremely conservative fiscal ideals. Fuck you if you think that only a liberal would care about the future of the GOP. It's patently obvious that the Democrats are kicking ass right now, and what for? Why is actual conservatism a bad thing?

Are you a neocon?

"only" no, I don't "only" think liberals "care". However, I find these threads here hilarious because obviously the left wants the GOP to move more towards them. Just like those of us on the right would like the Dems to move right to be more like us.

So again, I laugh at these threads started by and for liberals.(insert blah blah blah about you being "libertarian" :roll: or others whining about they are "independents" :roll: )

God damn you're an annoying trollish jerk.

If you'd paid attention at ALL, you'd see my praise for Reagan, for Eisenhower, for conservative fiscal policy, and for true conservatives like William F. Buckley.

The ONLY people who truly care about what's going to happen to the GOP are those who actually want a conservative party to represent them. Today's GOP isn't doing it.

Get this : we don't want a fiscally liberal, socially fascist party. That's just not working for us. We want : low spending, low taxes, responsible leadership. That means if war is what is needed (Afghanistan), kick their fucking asses. If war is uncalled for (Iraq), go back to the table.

a bit sensitive are we? :laugh:

Good for you if you really do want a Conservative party. It doesn't change my statement about these types of threads. This place is full of liberals and you will get mostly liberal views posted. The idea that picking Palin turned off Conservatives is laughable. There was almost ZERO Conservative support for McCain until that pick. Blah blah blah about social cons and jesus and all that whining.... Big deal, many times ideals go hand in hand - not necessarily caused by another. Deal with it. But hey, whatever - I still laugh at these threads by and for liberals.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
I think that they should jump as quickly and as far as they can off of the religious right bandwagon and actually start practicing what they preach when it comes to fiscal policy.

You're speaking about the 'right policy'. Demographics say that the Republicans have needed the alliance with the religious right to get elected.

I don't see many Republican leaders who would prefer to lose elections and exclude the religious right, than to win elections and hold their nose at the alliance.

As Rumsfeld might say, you go to an election with the voters you have, not the voters you want. If many are religious right, you like religous right.

Ironically, it's the fact that many Republicans have the principles to at least somewhat resist that alliance that weakens the party's situation.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I love to laugh at these threads by and for liberals on what the GOP should/will do....

I'm a social libertarian with extremely conservative fiscal ideals. Fuck you if you think that only a liberal would care about the future of the GOP. It's patently obvious that the Democrats are kicking ass right now, and what for? Why is actual conservatism a bad thing?

Are you a neocon?

"only" no, I don't "only" think liberals "care". However, I find these threads here hilarious because obviously the left wants the GOP to move more towards them. Just like those of us on the right would like the Dems to move right to be more like us.

So again, I laugh at these threads started by and for liberals.(insert blah blah blah about you being "libertarian" :roll: or others whining about they are "independents" :roll: )

God damn you're an annoying trollish jerk.

If you'd paid attention at ALL, you'd see my praise for Reagan, for Eisenhower, for conservative fiscal policy, and for true conservatives like William F. Buckley.

The ONLY people who truly care about what's going to happen to the GOP are those who actually want a conservative party to represent them. Today's GOP isn't doing it.

Get this : we don't want a fiscally liberal, socially fascist party. That's just not working for us. We want : low spending, low taxes, responsible leadership. That means if war is what is needed (Afghanistan), kick their fucking asses. If war is uncalled for (Iraq), go back to the table.

a bit sensitive are we? :laugh:

Good for you if you really do want a Conservative party. It doesn't change my statement about these types of threads. This place is full of liberals and you will get mostly liberal views posted. The idea that picking Palin turned off Conservatives is laughable. There was almost ZERO Conservative support for McCain until that pick. Blah blah blah about social cons and jesus and all that whining.... Big deal, many times ideals go hand in hand - not necessarily caused by another. Deal with it. But hey, whatever - I still laugh at these threads by and for liberals.

Think about it. GOP loyalists were going to vote for McCain over Obama no matter what. Why try to double-cover the base voters with a Palin, when you could get the moderates thinking about you with someone like Romney or Huckabee, both of whom are likable, affable, and great speakers. I know Huckabee is a religious-minded guy, but he also governed Arkansas, and really showed an ability to be likable to moderates.

Palin was covering territory that was already in the bag for the GOP.

 

[GTKeeper]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I love to laugh at these threads by and for liberals on what the GOP should/will do....

I'm a social libertarian with extremely conservative fiscal ideals. Fuck you if you think that only a liberal would care about the future of the GOP. It's patently obvious that the Democrats are kicking ass right now, and what for? Why is actual conservatism a bad thing?

Are you a neocon?

"only" no, I don't "only" think liberals "care". However, I find these threads here hilarious because obviously the left wants the GOP to move more towards them. Just like those of us on the right would like the Dems to move right to be more like us.

So again, I laugh at these threads started by and for liberals.(insert blah blah blah about you being "libertarian" :roll: or others whining about they are "independents" :roll: )

God damn you're an annoying trollish jerk.

If you'd paid attention at ALL, you'd see my praise for Reagan, for Eisenhower, for conservative fiscal policy, and for true conservatives like William F. Buckley.

The ONLY people who truly care about what's going to happen to the GOP are those who actually want a conservative party to represent them. Today's GOP isn't doing it.

Get this : we don't want a fiscally liberal, socially fascist party. That's just not working for us. We want : low spending, low taxes, responsible leadership. That means if war is what is needed (Afghanistan), kick their fucking asses. If war is uncalled for (Iraq), go back to the table.

CAD is dumb. If he ran for president he would get 25-30% of the neocon sheeple vote, and all the true conservatives would vote for 'the other' guy. I don't think he even knows what conservatism is.

 

[imported_gardener]

The more elections the GOP loses, the more control the Fundamentalists grab, and we will see more Sara Palins is their future.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: GTKeeper

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I love to laugh at these threads by and for liberals on what the GOP should/will do....

I'm a social libertarian with extremely conservative fiscal ideals. Fuck you if you think that only a liberal would care about the future of the GOP. It's patently obvious that the Democrats are kicking ass right now, and what for? Why is actual conservatism a bad thing?

Are you a neocon?

"only" no, I don't "only" think liberals "care". However, I find these threads here hilarious because obviously the left wants the GOP to move more towards them. Just like those of us on the right would like the Dems to move right to be more like us.

So again, I laugh at these threads started by and for liberals.(insert blah blah blah about you being "libertarian" :roll: or others whining about they are "independents" :roll: )

God damn you're an annoying trollish jerk.

If you'd paid attention at ALL, you'd see my praise for Reagan, for Eisenhower, for conservative fiscal policy, and for true conservatives like William F. Buckley.

The ONLY people who truly care about what's going to happen to the GOP are those who actually want a conservative party to represent them. Today's GOP isn't doing it.

Get this : we don't want a fiscally liberal, socially fascist party. That's just not working for us. We want : low spending, low taxes, responsible leadership. That means if war is what is needed (Afghanistan), kick their fucking asses. If war is uncalled for (Iraq), go back to the table.

CAD is dumb. If he ran for president he would get 25-30% of the neocon sheeple vote, and all the true conservatives would vote for 'the other' guy. I don't think he even knows what conservatism is.

:roll: If you say so...

 

[GTKeeper]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I love to laugh at these threads by and for liberals on what the GOP should/will do....

I'm a social libertarian with extremely conservative fiscal ideals. Fuck you if you think that only a liberal would care about the future of the GOP. It's patently obvious that the Democrats are kicking ass right now, and what for? Why is actual conservatism a bad thing?

Are you a neocon?

"only" no, I don't "only" think liberals "care". However, I find these threads here hilarious because obviously the left wants the GOP to move more towards them. Just like those of us on the right would like the Dems to move right to be more like us.

So again, I laugh at these threads started by and for liberals.(insert blah blah blah about you being "libertarian" :roll: or others whining about they are "independents" :roll: )

God damn you're an annoying trollish jerk.

If you'd paid attention at ALL, you'd see my praise for Reagan, for Eisenhower, for conservative fiscal policy, and for true conservatives like William F. Buckley.

The ONLY people who truly care about what's going to happen to the GOP are those who actually want a conservative party to represent them. Today's GOP isn't doing it.

Get this : we don't want a fiscally liberal, socially fascist party. That's just not working for us. We want : low spending, low taxes, responsible leadership. That means if war is what is needed (Afghanistan), kick their fucking asses. If war is uncalled for (Iraq), go back to the table.

a bit sensitive are we? :laugh:

Good for you if you really do want a Conservative party. It doesn't change my statement about these types of threads. This place is full of liberals and you will get mostly liberal views posted. The idea that picking Palin turned off Conservatives is laughable. There was almost ZERO Conservative support for McCain until that pick. Blah blah blah about social cons and jesus and all that whining.... Big deal, many times ideals go hand in hand - not necessarily caused by another. Deal with it. But hey, whatever - I still laugh at these threads by and for liberals.

Think about it. GOP loyalists were going to vote for McCain over Obama no matter what. Why try to double-cover the base voters with a Palin, when you could get the moderates thinking about you with someone like Romney or Huckabee, both of whom are likable, affable, and great speakers. I know Huckabee is a religious-minded guy, but he also governed Arkansas, and really showed an ability to be likable to moderates.

Palin was covering territory that was already in the bag for the GOP.

Very true. Immagine if Romney was on the ticket with this huge economic mess on our hands. People would trust him more on the economic issues and McCain would win a lot more independent votes.

 

[351Cleveland]

I could give a shit less about the GOP. They have abandoned my ideals and core beliefs on the fiscal side. I am hoping a new party emerges from the ashes of the GOP that can truly hold to the conservative ideals that so many "Republicans" hold dear.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I love to laugh at these threads by and for liberals on what the GOP should/will do....

I'm a social libertarian with extremely conservative fiscal ideals. Fuck you if you think that only a liberal would care about the future of the GOP. It's patently obvious that the Democrats are kicking ass right now, and what for? Why is actual conservatism a bad thing?

Are you a neocon?

"only" no, I don't "only" think liberals "care". However, I find these threads here hilarious because obviously the left wants the GOP to move more towards them. Just like those of us on the right would like the Dems to move right to be more like us.

So again, I laugh at these threads started by and for liberals.(insert blah blah blah about you being "libertarian" :roll: or others whining about they are "independents" :roll: )

God damn you're an annoying trollish jerk.

If you'd paid attention at ALL, you'd see my praise for Reagan, for Eisenhower, for conservative fiscal policy, and for true conservatives like William F. Buckley.

The ONLY people who truly care about what's going to happen to the GOP are those who actually want a conservative party to represent them. Today's GOP isn't doing it.

Get this : we don't want a fiscally liberal, socially fascist party. That's just not working for us. We want : low spending, low taxes, responsible leadership. That means if war is what is needed (Afghanistan), kick their fucking asses. If war is uncalled for (Iraq), go back to the table.

a bit sensitive are we? :laugh:

Good for you if you really do want a Conservative party. It doesn't change my statement about these types of threads. This place is full of liberals and you will get mostly liberal views posted. The idea that picking Palin turned off Conservatives is laughable. There was almost ZERO Conservative support for McCain until that pick. Blah blah blah about social cons and jesus and all that whining.... Big deal, many times ideals go hand in hand - not necessarily caused by another. Deal with it. But hey, whatever - I still laugh at these threads by and for liberals.

Think about it. GOP loyalists were going to vote for McCain over Obama no matter what. Why try to double-cover the base voters with a Palin, when you could get the moderates thinking about you with someone like Romney or Huckabee, both of whom are likable, affable, and great speakers. I know Huckabee is a religious-minded guy, but he also governed Arkansas, and really showed an ability to be likable to moderates.

Palin was covering territory that was already in the bag for the GOP.

"the base" was not on board with McCain. Haven't you been paying attention?

Romney would have lost the social cons, and Huck would have been worse than Palin because he's an "evangelical" that so many(at least here) like to attach to Palin. So no, I don't agree with your double coverage statement and reporting on this election doesn't agree with you either.

 

[GTKeeper]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: GTKeeper

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I love to laugh at these threads by and for liberals on what the GOP should/will do....

I'm a social libertarian with extremely conservative fiscal ideals. Fuck you if you think that only a liberal would care about the future of the GOP. It's patently obvious that the Democrats are kicking ass right now, and what for? Why is actual conservatism a bad thing?

Are you a neocon?

"only" no, I don't "only" think liberals "care". However, I find these threads here hilarious because obviously the left wants the GOP to move more towards them. Just like those of us on the right would like the Dems to move right to be more like us.

So again, I laugh at these threads started by and for liberals.(insert blah blah blah about you being "libertarian" :roll: or others whining about they are "independents" :roll: )

God damn you're an annoying trollish jerk.

If you'd paid attention at ALL, you'd see my praise for Reagan, for Eisenhower, for conservative fiscal policy, and for true conservatives like William F. Buckley.

The ONLY people who truly care about what's going to happen to the GOP are those who actually want a conservative party to represent them. Today's GOP isn't doing it.

Get this : we don't want a fiscally liberal, socially fascist party. That's just not working for us. We want : low spending, low taxes, responsible leadership. That means if war is what is needed (Afghanistan), kick their fucking asses. If war is uncalled for (Iraq), go back to the table.

CAD is dumb. If he ran for president he would get 25-30% of the neocon sheeple vote, and all the true conservatives would vote for 'the other' guy. I don't think he even knows what conservatism is.

:roll: If you say so...

I know so. You put conservatives to shame with your drivel. You think that Powell, Buckley's son, Reagan's son, George Will, Hagel, who all endorse Obama has 0 effect on the conservative movement in this country and the GOP itself. That is what I call being BLIND. You need to wake up and smell the roses. Unless the GOP changes course in a serious way and starts to become CREDIBLE again, it is dead as we know it.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I love to laugh at these threads by and for liberals on what the GOP should/will do....

I'm a social libertarian with extremely conservative fiscal ideals. Fuck you if you think that only a liberal would care about the future of the GOP. It's patently obvious that the Democrats are kicking ass right now, and what for? Why is actual conservatism a bad thing?

Are you a neocon?

"only" no, I don't "only" think liberals "care". However, I find these threads here hilarious because obviously the left wants the GOP to move more towards them. Just like those of us on the right would like the Dems to move right to be more like us.

So again, I laugh at these threads started by and for liberals.(insert blah blah blah about you being "libertarian" :roll: or others whining about they are "independents" :roll: )

God damn you're an annoying trollish jerk.

If you'd paid attention at ALL, you'd see my praise for Reagan, for Eisenhower, for conservative fiscal policy, and for true conservatives like William F. Buckley.

The ONLY people who truly care about what's going to happen to the GOP are those who actually want a conservative party to represent them. Today's GOP isn't doing it.

Get this : we don't want a fiscally liberal, socially fascist party. That's just not working for us. We want : low spending, low taxes, responsible leadership. That means if war is what is needed (Afghanistan), kick their fucking asses. If war is uncalled for (Iraq), go back to the table.

a bit sensitive are we? :laugh:

Good for you if you really do want a Conservative party. It doesn't change my statement about these types of threads. This place is full of liberals and you will get mostly liberal views posted. The idea that picking Palin turned off Conservatives is laughable. There was almost ZERO Conservative support for McCain until that pick. Blah blah blah about social cons and jesus and all that whining.... Big deal, many times ideals go hand in hand - not necessarily caused by another. Deal with it. But hey, whatever - I still laugh at these threads by and for liberals.

Think about it. GOP loyalists were going to vote for McCain over Obama no matter what. Why try to double-cover the base voters with a Palin, when you could get the moderates thinking about you with someone like Romney or Huckabee, both of whom are likable, affable, and great speakers. I know Huckabee is a religious-minded guy, but he also governed Arkansas, and really showed an ability to be likable to moderates.

Palin was covering territory that was already in the bag for the GOP.

"the base" was not on board with McCain. Haven't you been paying attention?

Romney would have lost the social cons, and Huck would have been worse than Palin because he's an "evangelical" that so many(at least here) like to attach to Palin. So no, I don't agree with your double coverage statement and reporting on this election doesn't agree with you either.

The 'base' has been trained to flip the (R) switch regardless for the GOP, just as there is the (D) base that always votes the straight Dem ticket.

 

[cwjerome]

Peggy Noonan gave an interesting assessment on MSNBC:

?I think of the Republican Party as essentially the vehicle for conservative thought. When it stops being the vehicle that puts conservative thought forward, I don?t have to care that much about the vehicle, if you will. I care about the thought, the philosophy, the meaning. That having been said, look, we are seeing a great big car crash. The car crash started in ?06. I think it is continuing now?.I think we are at the beginning of a significant liberal moment. I think we are taking an historic turn. The question is: how long this liberal moment goes."

Pretty much repeats my thinking.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I love to laugh at these threads by and for liberals on what the GOP should/will do....

I'm a social libertarian with extremely conservative fiscal ideals. Fuck you if you think that only a liberal would care about the future of the GOP. It's patently obvious that the Democrats are kicking ass right now, and what for? Why is actual conservatism a bad thing?

Are you a neocon?

"only" no, I don't "only" think liberals "care". However, I find these threads here hilarious because obviously the left wants the GOP to move more towards them. Just like those of us on the right would like the Dems to move right to be more like us.

So again, I laugh at these threads started by and for liberals.(insert blah blah blah about you being "libertarian" :roll: or others whining about they are "independents" :roll: )

God damn you're an annoying trollish jerk.

If you'd paid attention at ALL, you'd see my praise for Reagan, for Eisenhower, for conservative fiscal policy, and for true conservatives like William F. Buckley.

The ONLY people who truly care about what's going to happen to the GOP are those who actually want a conservative party to represent them. Today's GOP isn't doing it.

Get this : we don't want a fiscally liberal, socially fascist party. That's just not working for us. We want : low spending, low taxes, responsible leadership. That means if war is what is needed (Afghanistan), kick their fucking asses. If war is uncalled for (Iraq), go back to the table.

a bit sensitive are we? :laugh:

Good for you if you really do want a Conservative party. It doesn't change my statement about these types of threads. This place is full of liberals and you will get mostly liberal views posted. The idea that picking Palin turned off Conservatives is laughable. There was almost ZERO Conservative support for McCain until that pick. Blah blah blah about social cons and jesus and all that whining.... Big deal, many times ideals go hand in hand - not necessarily caused by another. Deal with it. But hey, whatever - I still laugh at these threads by and for liberals.

Think about it. GOP loyalists were going to vote for McCain over Obama no matter what. Why try to double-cover the base voters with a Palin, when you could get the moderates thinking about you with someone like Romney or Huckabee, both of whom are likable, affable, and great speakers. I know Huckabee is a religious-minded guy, but he also governed Arkansas, and really showed an ability to be likable to moderates.

Palin was covering territory that was already in the bag for the GOP.

"the base" was not on board with McCain. Haven't you been paying attention?

Romney would have lost the social cons, and Huck would have been worse than Palin because he's an "evangelical" that so many(at least here) like to attach to Palin. So no, I don't agree with your double coverage statement and reporting on this election doesn't agree with you either.

The 'base' has been trained to flip the (R) switch regardless for the GOP, just as there is the (D) base that always votes the straight Dem ticket.

Absolutely correct. The GOP could run Bono and Michael Newdow as a ticket and they'd still get the same votes from the base. The same is true of Dems. The extreme adherents will vote straight party NO MATTER WHAT. It's just the center 40% that are ever in question.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: GTKeeper
I know so. You put conservatives to shame with your drivel. You think that Powell, Buckley's son, Reagan's son, George Will, Hagel, who all endorse Obama has 0 effect on the conservative movement in this country and the GOP itself. That is what I call being BLIND. You need to wake up and smell the roses. Unless the GOP changes course in a serious way and starts to become CREDIBLE again, it is dead as we know it.

Again, I'm not supporting the GOP- just like the people you mentioned. It doesn't mean that i'll abandon my ideals like they(supposedly - if you think all of them are Conservative) have if they support BHO.
Yes, punishing the GOP due to their abandonment of Conservative is good. It's exactly what I did by not voting McCain this morning. So I guess maybe it's YOU who should wake the hell up because I've been saying this for months(since McCain nabbed the nomination).

 

[GTKeeper]

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
I could give a shit less about the GOP. They have abandoned my ideals and core beliefs on the fiscal side. I am hoping a new party emerges from the ashes of the GOP that can truly hold to the conservative ideals that so many "Republicans" hold dear.

You know what's funny? The Blue Dog Democrats are now looking like the future conservative wing of our government.

 

[GTKeeper]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I love to laugh at these threads by and for liberals on what the GOP should/will do....

I'm a social libertarian with extremely conservative fiscal ideals. Fuck you if you think that only a liberal would care about the future of the GOP. It's patently obvious that the Democrats are kicking ass right now, and what for? Why is actual conservatism a bad thing?

Are you a neocon?

"only" no, I don't "only" think liberals "care". However, I find these threads here hilarious because obviously the left wants the GOP to move more towards them. Just like those of us on the right would like the Dems to move right to be more like us.

So again, I laugh at these threads started by and for liberals.(insert blah blah blah about you being "libertarian" :roll: or others whining about they are "independents" :roll: )

God damn you're an annoying trollish jerk.

If you'd paid attention at ALL, you'd see my praise for Reagan, for Eisenhower, for conservative fiscal policy, and for true conservatives like William F. Buckley.

The ONLY people who truly care about what's going to happen to the GOP are those who actually want a conservative party to represent them. Today's GOP isn't doing it.

Get this : we don't want a fiscally liberal, socially fascist party. That's just not working for us. We want : low spending, low taxes, responsible leadership. That means if war is what is needed (Afghanistan), kick their fucking asses. If war is uncalled for (Iraq), go back to the table.

a bit sensitive are we? :laugh:

Good for you if you really do want a Conservative party. It doesn't change my statement about these types of threads. This place is full of liberals and you will get mostly liberal views posted. The idea that picking Palin turned off Conservatives is laughable. There was almost ZERO Conservative support for McCain until that pick. Blah blah blah about social cons and jesus and all that whining.... Big deal, many times ideals go hand in hand - not necessarily caused by another. Deal with it. But hey, whatever - I still laugh at these threads by and for liberals.

Think about it. GOP loyalists were going to vote for McCain over Obama no matter what. Why try to double-cover the base voters with a Palin, when you could get the moderates thinking about you with someone like Romney or Huckabee, both of whom are likable, affable, and great speakers. I know Huckabee is a religious-minded guy, but he also governed Arkansas, and really showed an ability to be likable to moderates.

Palin was covering territory that was already in the bag for the GOP.

"the base" was not on board with McCain. Haven't you been paying attention?

Romney would have lost the social cons, and Huck would have been worse than Palin because he's an "evangelical" that so many(at least here) like to attach to Palin. So no, I don't agree with your double coverage statement and reporting on this election doesn't agree with you either.

The 'base' has been trained to flip the (R) switch regardless for the GOP, just as there is the (D) base that always votes the straight Dem ticket.

Absolutely correct. The GOP could run Bono and Michael Newdow as a ticket and they'd still get the same votes from the base. The same is true of Dems. The extreme adherents will vote straight party NO MATTER WHAT. It's just the center 40% that are ever in question.

Very True. It's always and ALWAYS the independents/moderates who have decided all elections. You will always have the 'base' turn out on both sides of 30% or so. Its those middle voters that are the ones that count.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
The 'base' has been trained to flip the (R) switch regardless for the GOP, just as there is the (D) base that always votes the straight Dem ticket.

Sure, there is some of that but before Palin - the massive rumblings were about the "base" not coming out for McCain. Go back and look it up. All the reporting was about if McCain stood a chance without picking someone to get the "base" to the voting booth.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Arkaign
The 'base' has been trained to flip the (R) switch regardless for the GOP, just as there is the (D) base that always votes the straight Dem ticket.

Sure, there is some of that but before Palin - the massive rumblings were about the "base" not coming out for McCain. Go back and look it up. All the reporting was about if McCain stood a chance without picking someone to get the "base" to the voting booth.

And it was a load of crap. Please find me an example from history of the party NOT getting the base 30% or so. All the hype was just zealots whining, but they still would have pulled the lever.