The "Gay Lifestyle" Myth

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http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/04/06/granderson.gay.lifestyle/index.html

(CNN) -- On most mornings, my better half wakes up around 5:30, throws on some sweats and heads to the gym before work.

About a half hour later, I wake up my 13-year-old son, go downstairs to the kitchen to make his breakfast and pack his lunch. Once he's out the door, I brew some coffee and get to work.

Ladies and gentlemen, may I present to you the "gay lifestyle" -- run for your heterosexual lives.

I understand opponents of gay rights must highlight differences in order to maintain the "us against them" tension that's paramount to their arguments. But this notion that sexual orientation comes with a different and pre-ordained way of life -- as if we're all ordering the No. 3 at a drive thru -- only highlights how irrational groups such as Focus on the Family, the Family Research Council, the American Family Association and others like them are in this whole debate.

Pro-marriage organizations try to stop two consenting adults from marrying. Pro-family groups try to stop stable couples wanting children from adopting unloved orphans.

And somehow, me doing something like going to the grocery store threatens the very fabric of society, as Oklahoma State Rep. Sally Kern spewed. She says "the homosexual agenda is destroying this nation" and "homosexuality is more of a threat than terrorism." I'm not sure what her idea of a gay lifestyle might be, but with a growing teenager, buying and cooking food dominates my day-to-day.

We're just as diverse, intolerant, upstanding and tragic as our straight counterparts.

I don't worship Barbra Streisand, I don't watch any TV show with the word "Housewives" in its title and I love fishing, beer and Madonna. But more important, I'm just a father trying to keep my son away from drugs, get him into college and have a little money left over for retirement. I'm no sociologist but I'm pretty sure those concerns are not exclusive to gay people.

In one of the most pivotal scenes in the biopic "Milk," Harvey Milk, played by Sean Penn, gathers a group of community organizers and activists to come up with strategies to combat a 1978 ballot initiative that sought to ban LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) teachers and their supporters from working in public schools in California. As the small crowd settles down, Milk quickly glances around the room and says ..

"If we're going to convince the 90 percent to give a ---- about us 10 percent, we have to let them know who we are ..."

"What" we are -- be it gay, straight, black, white -- is simply window dressing. "Who" we are is where the substance is, where the person is, where our humanity is.

Too often, discussions about gay people and gay rights focus on sex, as if a person's entire being is defined by his or her Hollywood crush.

This fixation has been the crux behind attempts to link gay men to pedophilia -- from John Briggs, a state legislator from Orange County who introduced the proposed ban on gay teachers in California, to the Catholic League's Bill Donohue, whose recent attempts to excuse the church for its global scandal coverup by seemingly blaming homosexuality -- and it's a tactic that is evil incarnate.

"The vast majority of the victims are post-pubescent," Donohue recently said on "Larry King Live." "That's not pedophilia, buddy. That's homosexuality."

I don't worship Streisand, I don't watch any TV show with the word "Housewives" in its title and I love fishing, beer and Madonna.

Actually, Bill, sexual predators whose victims are 13- to 17-years-old are called hebephiles -- a la Joey Buttafuoco, Madeleine Martin and Heather Kennedy -- not homosexuals. And that still doesn't explain why the church opted to save face as opposed to, in the words of the infamous anti-gay figurehead Anita Bryant, "Save our children."

Being gay doesn't dictate how people live their lives any more than being straight does. There are gay people who go to church every Sunday and straight people who do not believe in God. There are single gay men who believe in the sanctity of marriage and married straight men who apparently do not -- such as Gov. Mark Sanford, ex-Sen. John Edwards and Sen. John Ensign, to name a few.

The truth is the only thing all gay people have in common -- you know, besides being gay -- is that we face continuous rhetorical, social and legal attacks for simply existing, thus potentially making something as mundane as bringing a date to a work function a fight-or-flee situation.

And yet, even in the face of that discrimination, LGBT people all handle it differently.

Some of us live in the closet, some of us do drag every Wednesday night, some of us are Republicans hoping to be change agents within a conservative sect and some of us are apathetic Democrats too dumb to carry on a conversation about anything other than Lady Gaga.

"What" we are is simply window dressing. "Who" we are is where the person is, is where our humanity is.

In other words, we're just as diverse, intolerant, upstanding and tragic as our straight counterparts and unless there is an annual meeting I don't know about, the only item on the much talked-about gay agenda is an abbreviated passage from the Declaration of Independence -- "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal."

In 29 states, people can be fired simply for being gay regardless of their education, experience or job performance; servicemen and women can be dismissed from the military regardless of their qualifications, dedication and courage; and partners are unable to see their better halves in the hospital regardless of the love, commitment and life they share.

Wanting to be judged by the content of one's character isn't a special right, it's a constitutional one guaranteed by the 14th and 15th amendments.

And yet, 145 years since the abolition of slavery, 90 years since women were allowed to vote and 20 years since the Americans with Disabilities Act, we're still involved in McCarthy-like investigations, holding Briggs-like elections and taking opinion polls based solely upon "what" someone is as opposed to "who" they are.

It's sad. We're such a great nation, still full of great hope and promise and yet we keep being tripped up by ignorance, which leads to fear and then eventually hate. Being gay isn't a choice, but being a bigot certainly is.

I couldn't agree more.
 

Craig234

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At one point, calling homosexuality a lifestyle helped the homosexuals, by using the tolerance for 'lifestyle' to get sme acceptance of them - not putting them in jail.

But it was never accurate - it's not a lifestyle, and it's past time to not use the word for them, implying they just 'choose' the 'lifestyle'.

It's a civil rights issue, pure and simple, and what helps is informing people of the truth to combat the ignorance and myths that underly and perpetuate bigotry.
 

theflyingpig

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You call that commentary. That's not commentary. This is commentary:

I couldn't agree more. However I believe that the "gay lifestyle" is an image perpetuated by gays themselves. The gays who adhere to the stereotype image of the gay man. We all know what that is, and it is completely unnecessary, but for some reason, gay men continue to act like this. Granted, there are many, many gay men who look and act normal, they largely go unnoticed because of the flaunting done by the stereotypical gay male. It is these men who force the straight population into hating the gay community. In short, the problems of the gay community are caused by the gay community and no one else. They have only themselves to blame. They need to police themselves to improve their image. Everyone knows this.
 

Moonbeam

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God said the Jews could have slaves so slavery is sanctioned by the Bible and perfectly OK.

God said Gayness is bad so Gays have to suffer. They are going to hell so it's our job to make their lives hell on earth. We do this because we love God.

Maybe Gay people should be slaves. Just thinking out loud. But it's nice to know the Bible is on my side. It makes me pretty fucking important. High fives, God!
 

Moonbeam

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You call that commentary. That's not commentary. This is commentary:

I couldn't agree more. However I believe that the "gay lifestyle" is an image perpetuated by gays themselves. The gays who adhere to the stereotype image of the gay man. We all know what that is, and it is completely unnecessary, but for some reason, gay men continue to act like this. Granted, there are many, many gay men who look and act normal, they largely go unnoticed because of the flaunting done by the stereotypical gay male. It is these men who force the straight population into hating the gay community. In short, the problems of the gay community are caused by the gay community and no one else. They have only themselves to blame. They need to police themselves to improve their image. Everyone knows this.

I wish you'd quit pushing your fucking stupid gay agenda.
 

Slew Foot

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
 

Atreus21

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I think a civilized debate on gay marriage is predicated on two conditions:

1. The true homophobes remain at least silent.
2. That pro-gay marriage folks, while they need not agree with said arguments, simply acknowledge that there are non-homophobic (meaning not motivated by fear and hatred of homosexuals) arguments against gay marriage.

If we could eliminate all the tangents and misdirections brought about by violation of those two conditions, I think we could learn alot from each other.
 

dammitgibs

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God said the Jews could have slaves so slavery is sanctioned by the Bible and perfectly OK.

God said Gayness is bad so Gays have to suffer. They are going to hell so it's our job to make their lives hell on earth. We do this because we love God.

Maybe Gay people should be slaves. Just thinking out loud. But it's nice to know the Bible is on my side. It makes me pretty fucking important. High fives, God!

Why are you bringing religion into this?
 

irishScott

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The only people who have problems with GLBT in general are the overly devoutly religious and the insecure.

As for the flamboyantly gay (go out of their way to show it), aside from creeping me out (kinda like a dog mewing in my face) they also fall a little lower on my respect-o-meter. Kind of a "good for you.. other than the fact that you're flailing it in my face, why should I care?" reaction.

As for gay marriage, IMO it should be legally equivalent to straight marriage. There's simply no reason not to. I mean I've heard "preserve the institution of marriage", but what does that even mean? The only concrete definition of marriage is defined in religions, and we live in a secular nation. So just let them be married (legally at least) and let us go on with our lives. Obviously the churches can do whatever they want in this regard.

That's what I think but all in all, as a straight white guy, I'm pretty apathetic.
 

woolfe9999

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2. That pro-gay marriage folks, while they need not agree with said arguments, simply acknowledge that there are non-homophobic (meaning not motivated by fear and hatred of homosexuals) arguments against gay marriage.

I admit to having some trouble with this. I understand how this argument starts; it's where it ends that confuses me. It goes like this: "we, the heterosexuals who oppose gay marriage, harbor absolutely no ill will whatsoever toward you gays. Your sexual orientation causes us no ire, no discomfort, no insecurity. We wish you the best in all of your endeavors. Nonetheless, we do not want you to have certain rights that we possess. And the reason for this is _________."

You care to fill in the blank? Seems pretty on topic to me.

- wolf
 

Atreus21

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I admit to having some trouble with this. I understand how this argument starts; it's where it ends that confuses me. It goes like this: "we, the heterosexuals who oppose gay marriage, harbor absolutely no ill will whatsoever toward you gays. Your sexual orientation causes us no ire, no discomfort, no insecurity. We wish you the best in all of your endeavors. Nonetheless, we do not want you to have certain rights that we possess. And the reason for this is _________."

You care to fill in the blank? Seems pretty on topic to me.

- wolf

Well, if I agreed with that statement, I'd admit that I had no ground to stand on.

That's why my argument stems first and foremost from the assertion that marriage is not a right. It's around that question that the lines of this debate have been drawn. Gay marriage proponents win if marriage can successfully be cast as a right, and gay-marriage detractors win if marriage is successfully cast as an institution.

On a side note, even if you don't agree with me on that, all I want, even if I'm dead wrong, is not to insult or be insulted, and not to casually dismiss or be casually dismissed. Even among bigoted homophobes, I don't think that's too much to ask of adults.
 
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MJinZ

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Well, if I agreed with that statement, I'd admit that I had no ground to stand on.

That's why my argument stems first and foremost from the assertion that marriage is not a right. It's around that question that the lines of this debate have been drawn. Gay marriage proponents win if marriage can successfully be cast as a right, and gay-marriage detractors win if marriage is successfully cast as an institution.

On a side note, even if you don't agree with me on that, all I want, even if I'm dead wrong, is not to insult or be insulted, and not to casually dismiss or be casually dismissed. Even among bigoted homophobes, I don't think that's too much to ask of adults.

Marriage is not a right. Lots of things that the State grants are not rights.

But the State should be granting the privilege of marriage fairly, and that's about it.
 

Atreus21

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Marriage is not a right. Lots of things that the State grants are not rights.

But the State should be granting the privilege of marriage fairly, and that's about it.

Well, to whom should the privilege of marriage be 'fairly' applied? Couples of two?
 

woolfe9999

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Marriage is not a right. Lots of things that the State grants are not rights.

But the State should be granting the privilege of marriage fairly, and that's about it.

Yes, that's about it. The question of whether marriage is a "right" only relates to whether anti-gay marriage laws can be successfully challenged constitutionally. That, however, is separate from the question of whether there is a justification for the state granting some privilege to one class of people and not another. Any kind of discrimination must have a rationale, and I have yet to hear the rationale that is premised on no sort of ill will toward homosexuals.

- wolf
 

Atreus21

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Yes, that's about it. The question of whether marriage is a "right" only relates to whether anti-gay marriage laws can be successfully challenged constitutionally. That, however, is separate from the question of whether there is a justification for the state granting some privilege to one class of people and not another. Any kind of discrimination must have a rationale, and I have yet to hear the rationale that is premised on no sort of ill will toward homosexuals.

- wolf

I will follow up tomorrow morning. Gotta get my car towed.
 

Moonbeam

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I can't imagine how devoid of common sense you have to be to say that marriage isn't a right.
 

nonlnear

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I can't imagine how devoid of common sense you have to be to say that marriage isn't a right.
I agree, which is why I support legalized polyandry and polygyny, as well as gay marriage. I mean, how devoid of common sense do you have to be to say that this Victorian "sensibility" we so recently conjured up about the supremacy of monogamous marriage somehow trumps the millennia-old traditions of many other cultures? What's even more ironic is that this neo-imperial cultural superiority complex has been appropriated by feminists in the name of abolishing oppression! Seriously, what part of "get your sanctimonious moralizing government out of my bedroom" did they forget?
 
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Zorkorist

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Marriage is a seperate class of people, as far as state and religion are concerned.

I have no problem with gays being married.

-John
 

xj0hnx

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The government just needs to get out of marriage, straight, gay, whatever.
 

CallMeJoe

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...In short, the problems of the gay community are caused by the gay community and no one else. They have only themselves to blame. They need to police themselves to improve their image. Everyone knows this.
You're an astonishingly ignorant git. Everyone knows this.
 

Zorkorist

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I agree, which is why I support legalized polyandry and polygyny, as well as gay marriage. I mean, how devoid of common sense do you have to be to say that this Victorian "sensibility" we so recently conjured up about the supremacy of monogamous marriage somehow trumps the millennia-old traditions of many other cultures? What's even more ironic is that this neo-imperial cultural superiority complex has been appropriated by feminists in the name of abolishing oppression! Seriously, what part of "get your sanctimonious moralizing government out of my bedroom" did they forget?
Your little quad-headed beastiality-fucks, will be another segment Government (and Religion) have to consider.

-John
 

fallout man

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I know many gay men, and in comparison, I wish that my heterosexual friends (and sometimes myself) could have the luck of experiencing such healthy relationships.

The "gay lifestyle," if comparing the extremes, is really no different than your regular college girl/boy with conservative parents and a sexual appetite being out of their own "closet" during their college years.

Gay folks get over it and settle down as well, and I know a few who are "gay-married" so that they may enjoy being a real couple while living their lives.

Not every gay guy is "manning the glory-holes" every night, just as every straight guy isn't "cruising Craigslist for pussy."

I've met heterosexual men and women I would not touch with a 10 foot clown-pole even if you had paid me. I've met many fewer homosexual men and women whom I could say the same about. Maybe it depends on where you live...
 

nonlnear

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Your little quad-headed beastiality-fucks, will be another segment Government (and Religion) have to consider.
Why exactly does the government have to consider anything done between consenting adults?
 
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