The "Gay Lifestyle" Myth

[bfdd]

Some humans (though rare) and other animals (more common) are born truly hermaphroditic, too.. having both male and female reproductive organs. What are we to make of their sexuality? Is that also unnatural?

It's really only fair to compare Humans to other mammals, not the entire animal kingdom there's some weird ass shit in the animal kingdom. As for homosexuality in animals, I think it has more to do with animals being stupid and fucking anything more so than it has to do with them actually being attracted to the same gender.

 

[cubeless]

Mods, this clown is just begging for the banhammer. Gay marriage can be debated in an intelligent, adult manner (see posts by Atreus21), but this clown is adding nothing useful to the debate and is clearly breaking the "no personal attacks" rule. We still have that rule, right?

careful there... moonbeam and me would not be around if this were so rigorously enforced... he's using different words, but the intent is the same...

and it certainly added to the debate... do you think that his thinking is some amazing, new revelation that he created? what he's espousing, regardless of motive, is certainly not outside of the universe of beliefs in this situation... he's not alone (except in his basement)...

 

[soulcougher73]

why shouldn't people be able to act however the fuck they want to act? it doesn't impact your life if some gays like to hang rainbow flags and go to drag shows and listen to showtunes.

They can act however they want, i dont care. But when you get stereotyped dont bitch about it is all im saying. I am your typical white hetro suburban guy. That is my sterotype. I dont have a problem with it. But then again i do not have a problem with sterotypes or profiling. It works the majority of the time so its only practical.

 

[MJinZ]

They can act however they want, i dont care. But when you get stereotyped dont bitch about it is all im saying. I am your typical white hetro suburban guy. That is my sterotype. I dont have a problem with it. But then again i do not have a problem with sterotypes or profiling. It works the majority of the time so its only practical.

The problem is the stereotype is the overt versions.

Think about it, most gay people act normal. People don't see these people as gay... because they can't TELL they're gay.

Who CAN people tell are gay? The flamers... and thus the only ones we see around us get stereotyped.

 

[nageov3t]

can I start stereotyping straight people by assuming that they're all exactly like the cast of Jersey Shore?

 

[cubeless]

that's your prerogative, this being a free country and all...

 

[1prophet]

why shouldn't people be able to act however the fuck they want to act? it doesn't impact your life if some gays like to hang rainbow flags and go to drag shows and listen to showtunes.

That's right, and let's not stop until we have an "Up your Alley Fair" in every neighborhood in the good old USA.

 

[Moonbeam]

can I start stereotyping straight people by assuming that they're all exactly like the cast of Jersey Shore?

that's your prerogative, this being a free country and all...

No he can't, God Damn it. It wouldn't be good for him. You crazy conservatives are all alike. It's a free country so go make an ass of yourself. You want him to be ridicules like that idiot bigot that came into the thread. I'm not gonna give permission for that. Somebody didn't make you eat your fucking peas. If you don't eat your peas you don't get no fucking dessert and loki deserves a nice treat.

 

[nonlnear]

No he can't, God Damn it. It wouldn't be good for him. You crazy conservatives are all alike. It's a free country so go make an ass of yourself. You want him to be ridicules like that idiot bigot that came into the thread. I'm not gonna give permission for that. Somebody didn't make you eat your fucking peas. If you don't eat your peas you don't get no fucking dessert and loki deserves a nice treat.

Moonbeam, I never imagined you to be the teacher in The Wall, but your post reminds me of this:

If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding! How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?!

 

[djmartins]

As for gay marriage, IMO it should be legally equivalent to straight marriage. There's simply no reason not to. I mean I've heard "preserve the institution of marriage", but what does that even mean?

Wow!
Ignorance must be bliss, eh?
The most basic human grouping is a man and a woman in a committed relationship with children.
Disagree?
Tough shit, that is NATURE, pal.
No matter how hard one tries, reality doesn't change to suit one's ideology.

 

[MJinZ]

Wow!
Ignorance must be bliss, eh?
The most basic human grouping is a man and a woman in a committed relationship with children.
Disagree?
Tough shit, that is NATURE, pal.
No matter how hard one tries, reality doesn't change to suit one's ideology.

Nature? Not quite. Marriage is a man-made concept. It does not occur in nature.

 

[nakedfrog]

Wow!
Ignorance must be bliss, eh?
The most basic human grouping is a man and a woman in a committed relationship with children.
Disagree?
Tough shit, that is NATURE, pal.
No matter how hard one tries, reality doesn't change to suit one's ideology.

You must be happier than a pig in shit.

 

[werepossum]

Ever wonder why homosexuals are treated differently? It's very simple, if it were normal then they wouldn't be ridiculed, obviously they are in the wrong, aside from being wrong why do homosexuals have a higher percentage of STD's than heterosexuals? http://journals.lww.com/stdjournal/...Rates_of_Sexually_Transmitted_Diseases.2.aspx

I'll skip mentioning the ban in your immediate future and merely mention the awesome self-pwnage of your link's title. To wit:

Comparative Rates of Sexually Transmitted Diseases among Heterosexual Men, Homosexual Men, and Heterosexual Womend

Heterosexual Womend? Seriously? Not exactly a scientific journal of the first water, methinks. Also, IIRC STD rates are lowest among gay women when corrected for number of sexual partners. So logically IF G-d hates fags, then He loves dykes and likes vanillas as friends but He still wants to see other people. I will venture no guess as to His relationship with gay giraffes . . .

Regardless, the OP's point was not that homosexuality was right or wrong, normal or not normal, but that the homosexuals are not all - or even most - as our pop culture portrays the "homosexual lifestyle". I suspect that is correct. I have no close homosexual friends - my one close male homosexual friend did choose to leave his small Georgia town to live the "homosexual lifestyle" and died of AIDS, but up until he moved to Atlanta I'd had a LOT more partners than had he. Of the male homosexuals I know casually and the lesbians I know and have known, some swap partners fairly often and some have very long term, stable relationships. In other words, they seem pretty normal except for their choices of with whom to bump uglies. Obviously I've never tried to quantify them or plot orientation versus promiscuity, but they certainly don't seem abnormal. But either way, abnormal does not imply wrong. Natural for me could be totally unnatural for another individual, and as I would not wish to be pushed into a homosexual life choices I would not wish to have homosexuals pushed into heterosexual life choices, or to be forced to pretend to such for my comfort.

 

[nonlnear]

Wow!
Ignorance must be bliss, eh?
The most basic human grouping is a man and a woman in a committed relationship with children.
Disagree?
Tough shit, that is NATURE, pal.
No matter how hard one tries, reality doesn't change to suit one's ideology.

You must be happier than a pig in shit.

I wouldn't say happier. I'd say precisely as happy as a pig in shit...

 

[Moonbeam]

Moonbeam, I never imagined you to be the teacher in The Wall, but your post reminds me of this:

If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding! How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?!

Hehe, I am that teacher, but in this particular thread, I felt it a bad idea to to speak of eating meat though of that song was definitely there.

 

[Moonbeam]

I wouldn't say happier. I'd say precisely as happy as a pig in shit...

I'd just say he is a pig in shit though anybody who doesn't know that reality IS determined by nothing but ones ideology hasn't yet been around the barn.

But it is always a pleasure for those of who struggle with truth and our own delusions to run into some dumb fuck who has all the answers and even without effort.

Of course one of Moonbeams rules is that I never criticize anybody for anything I'm not about to do myself 5 minutes from now.

 

[Chaotic42]

I'd like to see them remove tax benefits for or any other government intervention in marriage and let one consenting adult marry whichever or however many other consenting adults he or she wants. It'll never happen though.

As for homosexuality being a choice, I'm skeptical. I didn't choose to be straight, I just am. I'm wired to like boobs. Why is it so hard to believe that homosexuals are just wired differently?

 

[nonlnear]

I'd just say he is a pig in shit

That's kind of what I was implying...

 

[zinfamous]

I'd like to see them remove tax benefits for or any other government intervention in marriage and let one consenting adult marry whichever or however many other consenting adults he or she wants. It'll never happen though.

As for homosexuality being a choice, I'm skeptical. I didn't choose to be straight, I just am. I'm wired to like boobs. Why is it so hard to believe that homosexuals are just wired differently?

I think because for some people, the Bible tells them that such is sinful, and that God is good (although he likes to punish the fuck out of people, for various reasons), and since God created everything, he only created good and wonderful things. Therefore, God could not have possibly created teh gay. So, it must be a chosen lifestyle. It is the only logic they can wrap their heads around.

Of course, if one is apt to believe any of the contradictory, unsound stuff mentioned in the previous paragraph; then it's not much of a stretch to imagine that the same person will be able to believe just about anything, as long as it makes sense to them.

 

[MJinZ]

I'd like to see them remove tax benefits for or any other government intervention in marriage and let one consenting adult marry whichever or however many other consenting adults he or she wants. It'll never happen though.

As for homosexuality being a choice, I'm skeptical. I didn't choose to be straight, I just am. I'm wired to like boobs. Why is it so hard to believe that homosexuals are just wired differently?

Lack of imagination. Which is really to say, slow brain cells.

 

[Moonbeam]

That's kind of what I was implying...

Doubtless why I reached my own conclusion so fast.

 

[zsdersw]

It's really only fair to compare Humans to other mammals, not the entire animal kingdom there's some weird ass shit in the animal kingdom. As for homosexuality in animals, I think it has more to do with animals being stupid and fucking anything more so than it has to do with them actually being attracted to the same gender.

You think? Based on what evidence?

Animals can validly be regarded as "stupid" compared to humans, but that doesn't mean their behavior doesn't relate in some ways to our own. Animals are all driven by the same basic instincts, upon which we humans add things like much higher intelligence (which takes many forms and goes off on many tangents). The end result is something quite different from its roots, but that doesn't mean they're not related.

 

[Greenman]

I'd like to see them remove tax benefits for or any other government intervention in marriage and let one consenting adult marry whichever or however many other consenting adults he or she wants. It'll never happen though.

As for homosexuality being a choice, I'm skeptical. I didn't choose to be straight, I just am. I'm wired to like boobs. Why is it so hard to believe that homosexuals are just wired differently?

It's either a choice or a berth defect.

 

[K1052]

It's either a choice or a berth defect.

I'm not quite sure how sleeping accommodations on ships come into this but I guess it's possible two men berthing together could cause teh gay. :hmm:

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I'm not quite sure how sleeping accommodations on ships come into this but I guess it's possible two men berthing together could cause teh gay. :hmm:

It gets lonely out at sea sometimes....