The "Gay Lifestyle" Myth

[classy]

Ah the sweet sound of washing of human grey matter in the morning.

Yea, you are responsible for your "grown" daughter if you brought her up to be a psychopath.

The stupidity of the "blah blah blahs" of your type is also God's responsibility, especially if he caused such a thing via his teachings.

No one teaches a a person to be a psychopath. And like I said, if his teachings don't cause such a thing, then he is not responsible. I certainly don't have to defend him. But people like you take the worse to judge everyone. Well look at that christian, he is terrible, no one should be a christian. Well there are a lot of bad atheists to. So I guess if I took the bad example of horrible atheist, I could say, no one should be an atheist. The logic used by folks like you to condemn can be used to condemn any and every persons belief.

 

[classy]

As there is only one sin that is unforgivable, so too is there only one truth and one true religion, and not only that but there are millions of these one and only truths and millions of potential wars to fight to defend them.

You believe in one of these millions of only truths and what you see is your only truth. I see millions of others like you and yet not like you and I laugh. But I did hear about a Buddhist sect somewhere or other who said that their religion might not be the only religion or the only truth, but it was their religion. Imagine that.

So you will forgive me if I pay no attention to your one and only truth as I have been exposed to thousands of them all my life and the chances you of all the multitudes I've been exposed to and the millions I have not just happened to actually have the one and only real truth is as vanishingly small as anything that I can imagine. What you are absolutely certain is the one and only truth, I don't believe at all. The one thing I did pick up from religion is the value of humility. I know nothing and you know everything and there we are. Which is the more likely. So my religion boils down to this. I seem to be the only one who knows he knows nothing and because of that one truth I know everything there is to know. My God is the black board and not the crap people write on it.

On the positive side, I believe your religious belief gives you a lot of inner peace and that's good. It's better than negative self hate. It's just sad to me that your not a liberal in your belief and can't feel that a God who creates gays would make gay love a sin that needs to be forgiven. It's just such fanatical nonsense that killed my interest in the Christian God.

I can't believe that a pair bond imperative in humans and other social animals that sometimes expresses as sexual interest in the same sex could possibly be unnatural and evil. Sorry, I can't deny what is obvious to be a conforming submitting member of an absurd faith. If there is a God why the fuck would he give me a brain and then do stuff that's obviously stupid.

Like I said, all that same anti god drivel in the first two paragraphs is irrelevant. It is what it is and if you don't subscribe to it than so be in. But who said God created gays? Murder is a sin too? Did he create them to be murderers? I am married, but if fall in love with another woman and start doing my thing with her, I am committing sin. Does not matter if I truly truly love her, its still sin. Folks always want a pass on being called out for what is wrong. Why is that?

 

[MJinZ]

Like I said, all that same anti god drivel in the first two paragraphs is irrelevant. It is what it is and if you don't subscribe to it than so be in. But who said God created gays? Murder is a sin too? Did he create them to be murderers? I am married, but if fall in love with another woman and start doing my thing with her, I am committing sin. Does not matter if I truly truly love her, its still sin. Folks always want a pass on being called out for what is wrong. Why is that?

You see, I say God is responsible for your stupidity, because how else can someone be so stupid to incapable of producing a reasonable conclusion that *gasp* - God created Gays. Did God create Straights?

I guess not, because having sex with women is a virtue. He didn't create sins, so did he create virtues?

I love Christians who are true Christians. They have open hearts and intelligent open minds. But you are not one of them.

 

[MJinZ]

No one teaches a a person to be a psychopath. And like I said, if his teachings don't cause such a thing, then he is not responsible. I certainly don't have to defend him. But people like you take the worse to judge everyone. Well look at that christian, he is terrible, no one should be a christian. Well there are a lot of bad atheists to. So I guess if I took the bad example of horrible atheist, I could say, no one should be an atheist. The logic used by folks like you to condemn can be used to condemn any and every persons belief.

Tell that to Hitler's hypothetical children. Wait, I forget that you are incapable of intelligent thought experiments.

 

[classy]

You see, I say God is responsible for your stupidity, because how else can someone be so stupid to incapable of producing a reasonable conclusion that *gasp* - God created Gays. Did God create Straights?

I guess not, because having sex with women is a virtue. He didn't create sins, so did he create virtues?

I love Christians who are true Christians. They have open hearts and intelligent open minds. But you are not one of them.

Oh I see. You are the standard bearer. Its according to the gospel of MJinZ, that you are the judge of who are the true christians. And anyone who disagrees is stupid. Can I send you an offering?

 

[MJinZ]

Oh I see. You are the standard bearer. Its according to the gospel of MJinZ, that you are the judge of who are the true christians. And anyone who disagrees is stupid. Can I send you an offering?

Anyone who is stupid is stupid. Like stupid people are independent of whether your are Black or White.

IF you can't figure out why it makes sense that God created Gays while asserting that God created Straights, then you are stupid. That is just fact. Sorry. It has nothing to do with your religion. Unless God made you stupid.

 

[Moonbeam]

Like I said, all that same anti god drivel in the first two paragraphs is irrelevant. It is what it is and if you don't subscribe to it than so be in. But who said God created gays? Murder is a sin too? Did he create them to be murderers? I am married, but if fall in love with another woman and start doing my thing with her, I am committing sin. Does not matter if I truly truly love her, its still sin. Folks always want a pass on being called out for what is wrong. Why is that?

You should ask yourself. You are wrong and you pass on it.

I have explained to you that you are a bigot, Classy, a person who has an irrational belief fixed into his consciousness from a literal faith in some religious text that purports, self-purports to the the real truth. Because you believe in the goodness of this text and the goodness of God, and because the soul of man is good, you think that you stand in the eye of the storm, with the truth in your eye.

Every opinion you reach from your central belief has in and of itself to be the absolute truth. The truth is what it is is what you say, meaning your truth is THE TRUTH. You wear colored lenses and they color everything you see and think. You ask me why folk want a pass on being called our for what is wrong totally unaware that that is what you do just asking that question. Why do you want a pass on your bigotry? Why are you wrong and do not see it. You say you stand to gain the kingdom of heaven and I say the kingdom of heaven is my empty black board. You believe in the man on the cross, but I died on one. I had everything taken from me but my empty black board which couldn't be taken since it's the ground of my being and everything real that I AM.

Go in peace my friend. This donkey dropped it's load and isn't going to carry another, you to your guilt and sin, and me to all those bananas that grow on trees.

 

[Greenman]

As there is only one sin that is unforgivable,

In christian faith there is no unforgivable sin. No soul is beyond redemption.

 

[Moonbeam]

In christian faith there is no unforgivable sin. No soul is beyond redemption.

Clearly you one and only and even Christian religion isn't the same as Classy's one and only Christian religion. And while I like your one and only truth better than his, I have to conclude that neither one of you have any idea what you are talking about. You are like organ grinder monkeys that perform on cue. Push this button and this story or that pops out, and so on.

Ask yourselves, what do you get out of knowing everything. I don't get it. I don't know fuck all and the water's just fine.

 

[paperfist]

The only people who have problems with GLBT in general are the overly devoutly religious and the insecure.

Insecure about what?

 

[Red Dawn]

Insecure about what?

Their air tight integrity?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

In christian faith there is no unforgivable sin.

Jesus disagreed with you in Matt 12:31 & 32.

I know, I know... what does Jesus have to do with Christianity?

 

[Kappo]

The government needs to get out of the marriage business altogether. Marriage is a religious ceremony and a) should not be sanctioned or recognized by the government b) no tax breaks should be given for being married, thus, making it irrelevant if two people want to make a civil contract to do whatever it is that they want.

In the opinion of this white guy who is pretty conservative, there is zero reason for two people of any sex to be able to combine assets and enter a contract. It's really not any different than a business venture from a contractual standpoint.

 

[Greenman]

Clearly you one and only and even Christian religion isn't the same as Classy's one and only Christian religion. And while I like your one and only truth better than his, I have to conclude that neither one of you have any idea what you are talking about. You are like organ grinder monkeys that perform on cue. Push this button and this story or that pops out, and so on.

Ask yourselves, what do you get out of knowing everything. I don't get it. I don't know fuck all and the water's just fine.

Had I said, or even implied, any of the statements you credit me with, I'd be inclined to agree with you. But in normal moonbeam fashion, you took a simple declarative statement and embellished it with with your own ignorance and prejudice, then responded with what I assume was meant to be a scathing retort. All around, a failure.
I'm not sure I understand why such a simple concept frightens you, but it's a basic belief in most christian religions, and one I find to be very enlightened. It goes hand in hand with idea of "love the sinner, hate the sin". Again, it's a simple concept, and it allows people with faith to accept those they feel aren't following God's law. And yes moonie, it even applies to gay's and people that are filled with hate and contempt, people like you.

 

[ShawnD1]

IF you can't figure out why it makes sense that God created Gays while asserting that God created Straights, then you are stupid. That is just fact. Sorry. It has nothing to do with your religion. Unless God made you stupid.

There's not much point in debating if God creates these things. What's important is whether or not we should accept things that are different.

Gays should be accepted by society because their behavior does not hurt society in any way. On the contrary, many studies show that gay people are just as skilled and educated as everyone else. They are a positive contribution to society, so they should at least have the same privileges as everyone else.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storyCode=167801&sectioncode=26

Gay men in the United Kingdom face discrimination when it comes to pay, despite having a higher level of education. But they still earn more than the UK average.

Gay people are more skilled than average? Well that's just fabulous.