The Godfather - On BRD

Oyeve

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With the release of the Godfather on BRD I now want to go BR. Should I get a standalone player or a PC player? My PC can do HDMI and I can still use my Denon 3850 for surround sound. I dont care if I cant get the latest digital sound as long as I can get standard DD or DTS. I just want the cheapest BR playback. I dont want a PS3 as many will reccomend because 1. I already have a 360 and a PC for gaming and dont need another game system that I cant stack in my hi-fi shelf and 2. I just want to watch BR movies and im sure I can get something way cheaper than a PS3. Any suggestions?
 

sivart

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Sony and samsung have a couple on Amazon for under $200. A PC read-only drive will run at least 1/2 of that if not more.
 

jtvang125

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Excellent movie but not really that great for showing off BR capabilities.

As for cheapest route it would be a blu-ray rom drive for the pc (if your pc is up to specs and components are hdcp compliant). I've seen many of these drives go for ~170. Cheapest standalones are going for ~$260 (1.1 spec).
 

Baked

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I would use that money to buy Planet Earth BR instead. Watching Godfather on BR is pointless. The movie's shot w/ grainy atmosphere in mind, it's a drama, and the few action scenes are so short there's no point in watching it in HD. Besides, only the 1st two are good anyway, so why bother spending $60 for 2 films? If you have the 1st two on DVD, the PS3 will have no problem upscaling them to look nice on your HDTV.
 

cubby1223

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Originally posted by: Baked
I would use that money to buy Planet Earth BR instead. Watching Godfather on BR is pointless. The movie's shot w/ grainy atmosphere in mind, it's a drama, and the few action scenes are so short there's no point in watching it in HD. Besides, only the 1st two are good anyway, so why bother spending $60 for 2 films? If you have the 1st two on DVD, the PS3 will have no problem upscaling them to look nice on your HDTV.

You've obviously never seen this first-hand.
 

Baked

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Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: Baked
If you have the 1st two on DVD, the PS3 will have no problem upscaling them to look nice on your HDTV.

You've obviously never seen this first-hand.

They're that bad eh? I've watched a number of DVDs on PS3, but you're right, I don't have the Godfather movies on DVD.
 

Auric

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The Godfather series was restored for BD so even putting aside the resolution it is the best that can be seen at home. Otherwise, I agree not all flicks necessarily benefit from HD and it is more about not degrading by scaling up rather than enhancing. Then again, stuff like Planet Earth while a great source was bungled for the BD/HD DVD release (same encode) so was not as good as it could have been.

Given a PC is laying about anyway, it is still the cheapest player and will always be more flexible but also fiddly. For someone that does not mind buying hardware and software -i.e. multiple consoles and movies and games from $25-50 a pop then why hold back on simply forking out $200 on a stand-alone BD player if that is all you really want (as opposed to playing any format on PC)? The hardware is cheap compared to the software.
 

SlickSnake

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Originally posted by: Oyeve
With the release of the Godfather on BRD I now want to go BR. Should I get a standalone player or a PC player? My PC can do HDMI and I can still use my Denon 3850 for surround sound. I dont care if I cant get the latest digital sound as long as I can get standard DD or DTS. I just want the cheapest BR playback. I dont want a PS3 as many will reccomend because 1. I already have a 360 and a PC for gaming and dont need another game system that I cant stack in my hi-fi shelf and 2. I just want to watch BR movies and im sure I can get something way cheaper than a PS3. Any suggestions?

So what exactly about the Godfather gets you so juiced up over it you now can't wait to go Blu? I can think of a lot of other superior movies out on Blu that would certainly make me want to get it more, and the Godfather would be near the bottom of my list of films available on Blu that I would even buy, anyway.

I have watched the various Godfathers numerous times, and the poor use of cinematography techniques and the lack of editing in certain slow scenes that drag out far too long leaves me scratching my head in pain, every time. The films final length must have left Coppola shaking his head in pain, too. From IMDB:

Francis Ford Coppola turned in an initial director's cut running 126 minutes. Paramount production chief Robert Evans rejected this version and demanded a longer cut with more scenes about the family. The final release version was nearly 50 minutes longer than Coppola's initial cut.

At one point during filming, Paramount production chief Robert Evans felt the film had too little action and considered hiring an action director to finish the job. To satisfy Evans, Francis Ford Coppola and his son Gian-Carlo Coppola developed the scene in which Connie and Carlo have their long fight. As a result, Evans was pleased enough to let Coppola finish the film.

So it had too little action before or after the 50 minutes of drool was added against the directors wishes?

Even Marlon Brando snubbed the Oscars when he won for it, because for one thing he knew it was now a slow, bumbling editorial mess made unnecessarily longer only by studio suit bean counters. And he also knew it was definitely not his best work, since he didn't even bother memorizing or rehearsing his lines for it. From IMDB:

Marlon Brando did not memorize most of his lines and read from cue cards during most of the film.

Refused to accept the award for the reason that the U.S. and especially Hollywood are discriminating Native American people. Brando did not show up at the ceremony, but instead sent a faked Indian woman named Sacheen Littlefeather who later turned out to be Maria Cruz, a less known Californian actress.

Of course, at the time, he had to make up some ridiculous excuse to the media for spurning the Oscars rather than admit he was simply too lazy to memorize or bother to rehearse for the part.

He also felt he was screwed out of proper pay for his part in the picture, due to his own bumbling financial miscalculations when he sold his profit points back to the studio before it was released. After he lost out on the profit points, he then refused to support promotions for the film due to this fact. He must have also thought it wouldn't be a huge hit movie since his starring role was basically just mumbling incoherently with his bull dog mouth appliance while reading his part off cue cards.

And as far as the poor presumed quality of the new Blu release from IMDB:

Although the dark photography of Gordon Willis was eventually copied by many other films, when the developed film came back from the lab, Paramount executives thought the look was a mistake. They ordered a different look but Willis and director Francis Ford Coppola refused.

So if you want a lot of low light Hi Def film grain due to fuzzy and dark colorless cinematography techniques in all of its HD gory, then you really do need Blu-ray to appreciate this in Hi Def.
 

Shawn

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Originally posted by: Oyeve
Originally posted by: Chris
This title should tip the scales on the format war.

Um, war's been over for a while.

I think he means the war with DVD.

BTW, I just rented the first one. I'll let you know how looks.
 

Muadib

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Originally posted by: Born2bwire
Urge to buy BD player rising.

For Godfather? I never thought I'd say this in a Blu-ray thread, but I agree with Slick.:shocked: This ain't the title to show off Blu-ray.

Now, Ironman is another story....
 

cubby1223

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Originally posted by: Muadib
Originally posted by: Born2bwire
Urge to buy BD player rising.

For Godfather? I never thought I'd say this in a Blu-ray thread, but I agree with Slick.:shocked: This ain't the title to show off Blu-ray.

Now, Ironman is another story....

Agree with what exactly? Just because it's not the most visually stunning image quality, doesn't mean it's not a good value for someone who likes the movies. Not every movie is purchased solely on the image quality. It's a 36 year old movie, and this release is the best it has ever looked on home release.
 

Packie

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I think it would be a great buy. It will look better than any other format of the Godfather. It's a great series so I'm probably going to get it.
 

JackBurton

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Originally posted by: Muadib
Originally posted by: Born2bwire
Urge to buy BD player rising.

For Godfather? I never thought I'd say this in a Blu-ray thread, but I agree with Slick.:shocked: This ain't the title to show off Blu-ray.

Now, Ironman is another story....

I don't think The Godfather trilogy is meant to be reference material. It's just a cleaned up version. If you love the Godfather, this is the set to have. If you don't like the Godfather, this may not be for you.

What is sad is, I'm planning to get Speed Racer on BD because of the stunning transfer. Shitty movie, GREAT reference material, which is the exact opposite of the Godfather.
 

Muadib

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Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: Muadib
Originally posted by: Born2bwire
Urge to buy BD player rising.

For Godfather? I never thought I'd say this in a Blu-ray thread, but I agree with Slick.:shocked: This ain't the title to show off Blu-ray.

Now, Ironman is another story....

Agree with what exactly? Just because it's not the most visually stunning image quality, doesn't mean it's not a good value for someone who likes the movies. Not every movie is purchased solely on the image quality. It's a 36 year old movie, and this release is the best it has ever looked on home release.

I don't know one person who bought either of the HD formats, who did it for any other reason, other than for the visual aspect. Do you?

You are right though. The Blu-ray will be the best Godfather has ever looked at home. I do plan on getting it. I just can't recommend it as your first step into HD. I'd love to be proven wrong though.

Originally posted by: JackBurton

What is sad is, I'm planning to get Speed Racer on BD because of the stunning transfer. Shitty movie, GREAT reference material, which is the exact opposite of the Godfather.

Exactly!!! I saw this in the movies, and knew right away it was made for Blu-ray. Even though the story is weak, everything else is reference. When I can get it for $15, I'll pick it up too.
 

cubby1223

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Originally posted by: Muadib
I don't know one person who bought either of the HD formats, who did it for any other reason, other than for the visual aspect. Do you?

You are right though. The Blu-ray will be the best Godfather has ever looked at home. I do plan on getting it. I just can't recommend it as your first step into HD. I'd love to be proven wrong though.
SlickSnake was adamantly arguing against the movie because of the content of the movie itself - image quality was only a small line at the very end of his post (and was an over-exaggerated, highly uninformed comment at that). That's why I was puzzled why you were agreeing with him.
 

SlickSnake

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Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: Muadib
I don't know one person who bought either of the HD formats, who did it for any other reason, other than for the visual aspect. Do you?

You are right though. The Blu-ray will be the best Godfather has ever looked at home. I do plan on getting it. I just can't recommend it as your first step into HD. I'd love to be proven wrong though.
SlickSnake was adamantly arguing against the movie because of the content of the movie itself - image quality was only a small line at the very end of his post (and was an over-exaggerated, highly uninformed comment at that). That's why I was puzzled why you were agreeing with him.

Trying for epic fail status in yet another thread, are you? What a master-baiter!
 
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