The GPU Vendor Bias Admission Thread

[96Firebird]

Why has it that Nvidia has such high marketshare with all things considered?

This forum is not representative of the general consumer for these products.

This should not come as a shock.

 

[Paratus]

I've posted this before but I've been mostly AMD due to the lack of competitive NV offerings over the last 10-15 years for my use cases.

• 99-2004 ATI Rage Fury 32 MB - I spec'd out what I wanted for a new computer to a mom and pop computer place and this is the card they gave me. It was fine for my use
• 04-07 ATI 9600XT VIVO - first rig I built myself the NV equivalent was the dreaded FX series
• 07-10 ATI 1950 Pro 512 AGP - NV basically dropped the AGP market with the 7XXX series. They only offered the 16 pipe 7800GS or the extremely elusive Gainward Golden Sample 7900GT in AGP. The X1950 PRO continued to play games acceptably for me even at the end of its life
• 10-13 ATI HD 5870 - NV was still offering the warmed over slower DX 10 GTX285 and fermi was still several months away. No competition
• 13-16 AMD HD 7970 GHZ - was the fastest thing at the time. Still feels like an awesome card even today.

My only NV GPU was a mobile 540 in my 2011 laptop. It's been fine but I don't game much on it.

I've had excellent longevity with these cards. Which is good for me. Not so good for AMD.

 

[Goatsecks]

Why has it that Nvidia has such high marketshare with all things considered?

I really hope this does not start a massive argument but I suspect some of the wonkey market share is due to the poor launches of the (flagship gpu's!) 7970 and 290x. Both required hardware/software revisions some time after launch before they realised their potential. Much of the information that is now used in buying decisions is retrospective with regard to these cards.

The fury lineup is too expensive and confused.

 

[AtenRa]

One thing occurred to me...

If there is so many people biased towards AMD, and so many people saying that best hardware will win for them... why the market has 80/20% split for Nvidia?


Looks like its the mindshare. Because objectively if we factor performance, DX12, compute power and the hardware features - for this better solution is AMD.

If we factor GameWorks, DX11, Efficiency, CUDA - here is no brainer - Nvidia.

Why has it that Nvidia has such high marketshare with all things considered?

Because $200/300+ Desktop GPU segment (that is what most of the users here in AT forums buy) is not a big percentage over the overall dGPU market.

NVIDIA sells too many entry level sub $100 GPUs to OEMS and especially dGPUs for Laptops. This has a big impact in overall market share. In early 2015 they gained substantial market share in every segment including Mid to High-End ($300+) until AMD released the R9 3xx and later the Fury.

 

[tential]

I agree though that R9 390 is a amazing card for 1080p but for Freesync i do not think so because now a days R9 390 on new games barely keeps 60fps on 1080p at max out.

The r9 390 + free sync monitor. Is better than the gtx 970 + gsync monitor. This is widely accepted in the gaming community. The amd option is cheaper and faster and works better while the 970 + gsync is expensive and slower.

Sorry. That's the facts.

 

[Bacon1]

Why has it that Nvidia has such high marketshare with all things considered?

Marketing. Nvidia makes much more money than AMD (they get more profits per card sold as well due to die size).

Most people don't research much, I mean the 970 is the most popular card sold for Nvidia and they completely lied about its specs when sending it to reviewers. Oh sorry... "PR Issue" because marketing gave them the 980 spec list instead of the 970 one.. right?

The 290(x) got price cuts right after 970 was released, yet we didn't hear anything about them until the 390(x) released which are the same cards just all with 8gb and higher stock overclocks, especially for memory.

People that paid attention to forums and such knew what a great buy the 290(x) were, but most consumers just saw reviews with them faced off against reference (overheating monsters) at higher prices. Reviews weren't updated after price cuts, and most didn't use custom coolers to begin with, so it wasn't until 390(x) came out that people thought there was finally competition.

Nvidia has always been much heavier into advertisement and marketing and it works well, their profits have been soaring (and people seem to think thats good, even though it means they are paying more than they should be...)

 

[crisium]

The 290 series reference launch was a disaster. Imagine if they went with the defacto Fury (non X) reference (Tri-X, XFX, Powercolor). The power consumption would still be there, but it would be a complete 180 on Noise, Temperature, and Throttling. Yes both brands used blowers as reference, but it should have been clear as day to AMD that Hawaii with a blower is crap compared to others, and that perception from launch goes a long way.

 

[Bacon1]

The 290 series reference launch was a disaster. Imagine if they went with the defacto Fury (non X) reference (Tri-X, XFX, Powercolor). The power consumption would still be there, but it would be a complete 180 on Noise, Temperature, and Throttling. Yes both brands used blowers as reference, but it should have been clear as day to AMD that Hawaii with a blower is crap compared to others, and that perception from launch goes a long way.

Yep the blower was terrible... and then people also hated the AIO on Fury X since it messed with the price/perf... so people prefer huge multi fan setups.

 

[Goatsecks]

Marketing...

Most people don't research much, I mean the 970 is the most popular card sold for Nvidia and they completely lied about its specs when sending it to reviewers. Oh sorry... "PR Issue" because marketing gave them the 980 spec list instead of the 970 one.. right?

The 290(x) got price cuts right after 970 was released, yet we didn't hear anything about them until the 390(x) released which are the same cards just all with 8gb and higher stock overclocks, especially for memory.

The 290 (cooler) problem significantly effected heat and noise metrics in addition to the deceptive performance reviews. The 970 rop scandle requires a game to operate within a 3.5gb to 4gb window of vram usage in order for it to be significant.

Finally, when the 970 was released it was 2/3 the price of a 290, same performance and had the efficiency edge.

 

[Bacon1]

The 290 (cooler) problem significantly effected heat and noise metrics in addition to the deceptive performance reviews.

Yep, most review places still used reference cards even though custom ones with much better coolers had been out for forever.

The 970 rop scandle requires a game to operate within a 3.5gb to 4gb window of vram usage in order for it to be significant.

ROPS and the other limitations are separate from the mixed memory usage, those are always effecting its performance.

Finally, when the 970 was released it was 2/3 the price of a 290, same performance and had the efficiency edge.

Right, and thats why AMD cut the price, but you never saw any follow up reviews on that, so everyone thought the 970 was best buy until the 390 released, even though it was more expensive than the 290 which had most of the performance.

Marketing Nvidia is much better at it.

 

[Jhatfie]

If performance and price are close, my preference is AMD. However, I do not let my preference get in the way of purchasing what best meets my needs for my $$.

 

[moonbogg]

I prefer Nvidia because of the emotional history I have using their products. Also, I like the color green more than red. Red is kind of an anxious color and doesn't feel like a high tech sort of color. Green goes well with gray and black and silver and blue and looks nicer to the eyes.

The human eye evolved to recognize green more than any other color due to crawling through grass and trees looking for food. It is very eye catching and triggers an emotional response. This is not to be understated.

I like Nvidia because of the way the word looks to me. Also their GPU's are usually pretty good. Saying, "Ennvidia" rolls nicely off the tongue, while saying "Eiteeeye" or "Eiemdee" is like getting punched in the gut.

I remember playing serious sam and it lagged. I installed a GeForce 256 (I think) and it ran great. I traded a collector's knife for that video card so my journey with Nvidia was started by accident. Emotional conditioning began around this time.

Also, perhaps most importantly, and I cannot overstate this, my first love of GPU's was 3DfX. When they went under, I was told and I read that Nvidia forced them out of the market. I read something that looked like it was from the 3DfX website and it said something like, "Nvidia will take care of your gaming needs now". Since the fall of my true love 3DfX, I was thrown into the arms of the one who slayed them, Nvidia. What else was I supposed to do? I was friggin orphaned.

 

[thesmokingman]

^^I think the color of green just went up in my book after reading that. That and the fact that green is the color of money, just like that Newman movie.

 

[Mahigan]

I prefer Nvidia because of the emotional history I have using their products. Also, I like the color green more than red. Red is kind of an anxious color and doesn't feel like a high tech sort of color. Green goes well with gray and black and silver and blue and looks nicer to the eyes.

The human eye evolved to recognize green more than any other color due to crawling through grass and trees looking for food. It is very eye catching and triggers an emotional response. This is not to be understated.

I like Nvidia because of the way the word looks to me. Also their GPU's are usually pretty good. Saying, "Ennvidia" rolls nicely off the tongue, while saying "Eiteeeye" or "Eiemdee" is like getting punched in the gut.

I remember playing serious sam and it lagged. I installed a GeForce 256 (I think) and it ran great. I traded a collector's knife for that video card so my journey with Nvidia was started by accident. Emotional conditioning began around this time.

Also, perhaps most importantly, and I cannot overstate this, my first love of GPU's was 3DfX. When they went under, I was told and I read that Nvidia forced them out of the market. I read something that looked like it was from the 3DfX website and it said something like, "Nvidia will take care of your gaming needs now". Since the fall of my true love 3DfX, I was thrown into the arms of the one who slayed them, Nvidia. What else was I supposed to do? I was friggin orphaned.

Yellow is the color which most catches people's eye. Red is second...green is far down on the list.

Red - is a bold color that commands attention! Red gives the impression of seriousness and dignity, represents heat, fire and rage, it is known to escalate the body's metabolism. Red can also signify passion and love. Red promotes excitement and action. It is a bold color that signifies danger, which is why it's used on stop signs. Using too much red should be done with caution because of its domineering qualities. Red is the most powerful of colors

http://www.moosepeterson.com/techtips/color.html
https://www.quora.com/COLOURlovers/Which-colour-is-most-eye-catching-red-or-yellow
http://www.business2community.com/marketing/10-colors-that-increase-sales-and-why-0366997

 

[boozzer]

my last desktop gpus were 460, 660, 280x, 290(current one) before 460 I have only bought 1 amd gpu, or ati before the take over. my current laptop is a 980m.

460 broke after a driver update, every version after was the same, NV driver literally broke my card with random CTDs. I actually reverted and stayed with the stable old driver for a year before deciding to upgrade.

660 was adequate till I upgraded my monitor and more demanding games came out. that is when I started reading alot, and I do mean alot of reviews and tech articles regarding gpus.

bought a used 280x, 1 month later I upgraded to 290 for 50$ more, it was a no brainer would have skipped the 280x if 290 3rd party versions came out at the same time as stock.

with how kepler's performance tanking and my own prediction that maxwell could be doing the same with dx12, I am 100% leaning towards AMD atm. with that said, I would only upgrade if a 300$(new 16/14 nm) gpu can surpassed my 290 in 1080p + high settings. by that I mean 50% or more improvement over my 290. and I don't mean with oc either. the stock versions needs to beat it, oc versions need to be 60% or more.

 

[thesmokingman]

Yellow is the color which most catches people's eye. Red is second...green is far down on the list.


http://www.moosepeterson.com/techtips/color.html
https://www.quora.com/COLOURlovers/Which-colour-is-most-eye-catching-red-or-yellow
http://www.business2community.com/marketing/10-colors-that-increase-sales-and-why-0366997

But red is the color of sexy time! You forgot that. That's why my porsche is red, it lets the ladies know what time it is.

 

[Mahigan]

The human eye evolved to recognize Yellow and Red. Not just humans though, many other animals. That's why venomous frogs, insects and other animals tend to have bright red/yellow spots and stripes. It's to keep predators away and other animals from accidentally stepping on them.

Think bees.

 

[Mahigan]

From reading these posts, it appears to me that one of the big reasons why NVIDIA are outselling AMD is due to the fact that many AMD owners don't feel the need to upgrade due to how well their GCN cards are aging. GCN lacks planned obsolescence.

 

[dogen1]

Whichever brand gives me the best performance for games I play, and the features I want. I use DSR all the time for older stuff, and AMDs VSR doesn't match it. No idea why they don't have a similar solution yet, but if they don't by the time I upgrade they won't be getting my money. I also love nvidia inspector, and I'm not sure if there's an AMD compatible equivalent. Same with shadowplay, I don't know how AMD's equivalent compares. I don't exactly like GFE, but if I have to install raptr to record with an AMD card, no thanks.

The last thing is better openGL support(mostly just faster). I sometimes like to play my ps2 games with pcsx2, and radeons don't handle certain (draw call heavy)options nearly as well as geforces. The performance difference in some cases is massive.

 

[moonbogg]

Regarding green vs red, see attached video. The human eye sees green better than any other color. Why are green lasers so visible compared to red lasers at the same energy levels? I already answered that above. Nvidia knows this. Everyone knows this. But you do not know this...until now.

https://youtu.be/U_lUST8Dofo?t=76

 

[Leyawiin]

Interesting. I knew these forums were AMD-centric, but I didn't expect it to be by an over two to one margin (of those giving a preference).

 

[AtenRa]

For a moment i thought i was in a different forum, i really had to look at the top panel to confirm i was reading the VC&G.

 

[Snarf Snarf]

I think most of us are capable of objectivity, especially those of us lacking the excess of disposable income to buy the absolute newest cards every time they launch.

I lean towards what ever company has the fastest card in the price bracket that I'm able to afford at that time. For me that was GTX 260, GTX 560ti, GTX 780, and 980ti (I have a better job now ) This upcoming generation I would really like to own an AMD card if it's competitive with the top offering Nvidia has to offer. Fury X just wasn't compelling to me when my 980ti runs at 1525 core without breaking 80C (MSI Gaming 6G). For this generation 980ti was just too good to pass up.

HDR, Freesync, and VR superiority are heavily influencing me to try out AMD this upcoming generation. Ultimately whoever has the best performing card with a rich feature set in regards to display technology in the 980ti/Fury X price range will win my money this time.

 

[xthetenth]

I prefer Nvidia because of the emotional history I have using their products. Also, I like the color green more than red. Red is kind of an anxious color and doesn't feel like a high tech sort of color. Green goes well with gray and black and silver and blue and looks nicer to the eyes.

Red is closer to the color of Delta-V. If your Delta-V is green I don't want to be downwind.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I am half expecting WCCFTech to run a story about the results of this poll