As a vet, cowards like these make my blood boil. The fucking fascists will not win. The magats hillbillies will be mowed down as the treasonous scum they are in a civil war. You feckless cowards may suck magat cock but the majority of us real veterans will never.Tell us you have never served in the US military without telling us you have never served in the US military. If you had, you would know and understand the oath every military member gave to the constitution, this country and it's citizens. The change in leadership doesn't change that oath, or the fact that the manority would refuse to obey the unlawful order to turn on the citizens of this country. Nealry the entire military would have to be fully replaced with like minded people, before your expectation to happen. Because what your "vision" would require people who are willing to turn on and possibly kill, their friends, family, etc.. and have allegiant to Trump/Maga and not the constitution, this country, and it's citizens.
They don't have to replace all the military.Tell us you have never served in the US military without telling us you have never served in the US military. If you had, you would know and understand the oath every military member gave to the constitution, this country and it's citizens. The change in leadership doesn't change that oath, or the fact that the majority would refuse to obey the unlawful order to turn on the citizens of this country. Nealry the entire military would have to be fully replaced with like minded people, before your expectation to happen. Because what your "vision" would require people who are willing to turn on and possibly kill, their friends, family, etc.. and have allegiant to Trump/Maga and not the constitution, this country, and it's citizens.
Please stop posting about stuff you clearly know nothing about. Because you now are beyond just showing you are ignorant, but showing just how stupid you really are.They don't have to replace all the military.
They have to replace enough. Mike Flynn is on the advisory committee for West Point now. They are well on their well to shaping the military minds of tomorrow.
It's ok, you've misjudged the situation totally.
I do not know when you served, but for the past 20 years the far right has been infiltrating the military so much that it's recognized as a serious threat. https://www.nationalmemo.com/far-right-in-the-militaryAs a vet, cowards like these make my blood boil. The fucking fascists will not win. The magats hillbillies will be mowed down as the treasonous scum they are in a civil war. You feckless cowards may suck magat cock but the majority of us real veterans will never.
Interesting, you're telling him to get off a forum and go organize, while you yourself are evidently capable of being on a forum and also organizing? This suggests the possibility that they're not mutually exclusive activities.I do not know when you served, but for the past 20 years the far right has been infiltrating the military so much that it's recognized as a serious threat. https://www.nationalmemo.com/far-right-in-the-military
My brother served in Afghanistan and Iraq, 82nd Airborne and Army Intelligence. My sister served in Naval Intelligence for both as well. They saw first hand the changes occurring back then, and the quality of the recruits coming in.
Regardless, all of this isn't the point. The point is that if you are serious you need to get the fuck off forums and go organize. There are likely groups in your area working on community defense. Show yourself trustworthy and you will be recruited for further actions. Accept direction from those who have been doing this for decades, starting with the skinheads in the 80's in Portland.
I've been actively involved since 2018 specifically with antifascism (political organizing I've been involved with sine 2006) and the brand of liberal democrat who sits on forums and tells people we need to fight back is the brand who absolutely will not be fighting the moment it is even slightly inconvenient for them. Fascists win via apathy, getting and keeping people engaged, actively guarding communities that are under threat (lgbtq/people of color/indigenous/disabled/etc), community aid, protest, strikes, these are the things that ultimately defeat fascism.
It may come to an armed uprising, but I'm not going to discuss that on a *public forum* and anyone who encourages that kind of discussion in such a space should absolutely be suspect.
In whatever group you join, be on the lookout for fascist enabling behavior. That is how movements are undermined. I was a political leader for years in the Seattle area, when I took over an organization I had one article I assigned my board to read and understand as it underpinned acceptable and constructive behavior and made it clear what would get people removed. Strong advice to anyone here *serious* about organizing against fascism to read and comprehend it (hint: it's not just about misogyny): https://truthout.org/articles/why-misogynists-make-great-informants/
Specifically to add to this I want to say that LEO is far more compromised than the military at this stage. However the military is still a major threat, and at best we can expect some units to refuse orders, rather than fight back against fascist leadership. They will be arrested and what remains will be either the loyalists or the apathetic (which is typically around a third of any group). Yes it will severely reduce the fighting force by as much as a third, but it will not cripple them to the point where they cannot suppress an uprising.10 years of MAGA and some of you are still clueless as to what is going on, what has happened.
Is LEO/military ALL maga? No. Is it MOSTLY maga? Yes. And top military leadership is being replaced everyday by loyalists. And did you see who was appointed to the advisory committee at Westpoint? What do you think the military is going to look like in 5 years? 10?
@Reflex is the only one facing reality in this thread. Forget 2026, 2028 (Vance won't certify anyway). Join the rest of us in reality. Hint: it's over.
The things they are saying make it painfully obvious that none of them are actively involved in real world organizing. You are correct that you can do both, but once you are involved in real world organizing you will quickly be made aware of what works, what does not, what should be loudly spoken about, what should not, and how to convey your message to people not in your bubble. These people exhibit none of those traits, unfortunately. I'm only bothering to respond because we can't win without the entire left united.Interesting, you're telling him to get off a forum and go organize, while you yourself are evidently capable of being on a forum and also organizing? This suggests the possibility that they're not mutually exclusive activities.
I do wonder about @Jaskalas , he's been doing a lot of saber-rattling but I'm not sure if he's engaged beyond that. I do tend to stress the importance of working in one's local community when I'm in other online spaces, but for the most part don't expect many of the contributors here to be engaged in that for various reasons.
I'm sorry, are you saying that the people in those cities are going to take up arms, kill all the farmers and return to work the land? Because if not they are f'd regardless.
lt's just the Republicans putting their finger on the scales. Again.Oh look, DOGE is showing they don't understand how things work again. This all falls under state powers and their authority in how elections are conducted. If the DOJ sue, they will show they are as incompetant as the DOGE. Besides, what does this have to do with waste, fraud, and effieciency?
Their goal is not to "save money" it's to make them richer at your expense.How does that save money?
California is extremely blue, not all, there are red rural areas and they expanded their footprint in 2024 General, but there hasn't been a Republican winning a state-wide position in quite some time.so democracy is over but the blue states can’t secede because of food?
Get real, most of the red states would be broke within a year without blue state money propping them up. You think food only grows in red states?
With more than $59 billion in agricultural sales in 2022, California remains the top producer of agricultural products in the United States and the world's fifth largest producer.
What they don't get is that Red Dawn was a movie.
Since when does Trump care what's legal? Is he proposing legislation? AFAIK he hasn't proposed any legislation at all and we're more than 1/2 way in the first 100 days. Just EO's, he's addicted to EO's, high on EO's, smokes them at 2AM. And says Fuck the judges, they're "radical left lunatics," ignore their injunctions, rulings, whatever. People are going to have to be very creative in circumventing the machinations is this mis-administration.Do they? Is that why they are telling the federal DOJ to sue states over the acceptance and counting of mailed in ballots, which falls under state powers and the each state's legislation? Because they know what they are doing?
Mike Flynn is a joke. Trump made that appointment, BFD. He also appointed RFK Jr. and Hegseth, etc. Nearly everybody he's appointed to anything is totally incompetent, it's common knowledge to all discerning observers. West Point enrollees aren't total dumbasses, at least yet. Plenty of them know that many above them in the chain of command cannot be trusted. Every kid knows that growing up.They don't have to replace all the military.
They have to replace enough. Mike Flynn is on the advisory committee for West Point now. They are well on their well to shaping the military minds of tomorrow.
It's ok, you've misjudged the situation totally.
They only have to replace "command and control" in the military, actually a rather small percentage.They don't have to replace all the military.
They have to replace enough. Mike Flynn is on the advisory committee for West Point now. They are well on their well to shaping the military minds of tomorrow.
It's ok, you've misjudged the situation totally.
Yep, I remember.They only have to replace "command and control" in the military, actually a rather small percentage.
Did members of the Ohio National Guard when called up during the Kent State protest put on their uniform and report with the intention of using live ammunition on American college students?
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He's not brown or black, or gay, or LGBTQ, he's just fucking dead.
4 dead, 9 wounded, some paralyzed for life, when the NG fired 67 rounds in a period of 13 seconds.
Also keep in mind, the armed forces have had to lower their standards on who they accept in an attempt to met recruit goals. DEI at its best?
In May 1970 I had been separated from Active Duty less than a year, and this is when we honored our oath to defend the constitution, and had respect for the command structure we served under.
Sadly, I fear that level of courage no longer exists within the American populace.Yep, I remember.
Neil young wrote the song OHIO hours after the shooting. CSN&Y recorded the song within days in Hollywood, and the record was selling 10 days later.
This shooting was a BFD to America.
I think this is correct and it's terrifying. We are already seeing worse and the uprisings are minimal. Literal dissapearing of residents and people are doing little other than talking about it.Sadly, I fear that level of courage no longer exists within the American populace.