The grocery shrink ray strikes again - soda

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Aikouka

Lifer
Nov 27, 2001
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I just bought 2-liter sodas for $1 over the weekend down here in Texas.

Yeah, that's how much they are when they're on sale. Although, sometimes the sales are $1.25 each, but that's not common. I've also gotten them for $0.80 each, but that's even less common.
 

GagHalfrunt

Lifer
Apr 19, 2001
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Ok. So you don't use metric for fluids.

Except when you do.

Got it.

Do I need to draw you a map or are you truly too stupid to understand English? That's the whole point. We use imperial almost exclusively, about the only consumer good we package in metrics is soda and only in the larger sizes. I asked why and how we came to use it for soda and nothing else. Try to keep up.
 

Childs

Lifer
Jul 9, 2000
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I use "Coke" as a generic term for cola. I was always moderately annoyed when a waitress would ask "Is Pepsi ok?"

Its better that they specify. If I order a Coke and it tastes like Pepsi, I'll have them switch it out to something else.
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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Its better that they specify. If I order a Coke and it tastes like Pepsi, I'll have them switch it out to something else.

I don't care that much. Any cola is close enough. RC is my favorite, but you don't see that anywhere. I like Coke for the big players.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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Do I need to draw you a map or are you truly too stupid to understand English? That's the whole point. We use imperial almost exclusively, about the only consumer good we package in metrics is soda and only in the larger sizes. I asked why and how we came to use it for soda and nothing else. Try to keep up.
You can draw a map if it'll help you.

I'm sure you'll work out why selling petrol by the gallon out of a pump is different to selling a packaged product that's sold across the world in the same package.
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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There was a somewhat interesting reason soda went metric almost alone, but I can't remember why. World sales aren't plausible. They already have a multitude of sizes/languages, so a few more wouldn't matter. I heard it on the radio.
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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There was a somewhat interesting reason soda went metric almost alone, but I can't remember why. World sales aren't plausible. They already have a multitude of sizes/languages, so a few more wouldn't matter. I heard it on the radio.

The whole point of soda syrup is that you can ship syrup and bottle it within the region it is sold to save on transportation costs. That's was my major criticism with the 2007 Edward Norton Hulk movie. Using 2-Liter bottles has nothing to do with simplifying worldwide product distribution.

You can draw a map if it'll help you.

I'm sure you'll work out why selling petrol by the gallon out of a pump is different to selling a packaged product that's sold across the world in the same package.
You aren't listening. Not only is it not sold across the world, it is ALSO sold in ounces in different sizes from the same bottling companies. If there was any truth to your argument then the 12oz can and the 20oz bottle would not be standard here... even though they are. When I was a kid they had 12oz cans, 12oz bottles, and 16oz bottles. Some no-name brands started sapping sales by offering "4oz free!" bonus bottles with 20oz, eventually getting Coke and Pepsi to offer "4oz free!" bottles. Eventually those became standard.

Every now and then you see 24oz bonus bottles or a 16oz can (often seasonal or value-priced) or a *gasp* 0.5-liter bottle, but the US standard sizes are still firmly 12oz, 20oz, 1-liter, and 2-liter. The fountain cups are also typically sold in ounces (a gas station might have "32oz fountain drink refill: $0.79" for customers who already have a branded cup from a previous purchase). The milliliter size is often listed, but fractional and printed smaller, meaning that the non-metric measurement is primary (printed larger with whole, even, numbers).
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
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It's not just the bottles it's that their whole international supply chain is based on the metric system. (and I bet their US one as well)

Also lol at how chest thumping you guys get over a system of measuring. We use miles, pounds, pints and stones but we don't get all 'Cleetus pass me ma gun, them ther foriners are tryin ter serve my drinks in them dam funny measures!'

Seriously you don't see why an international business might want to use one system of measures in its business?

(ALSO: your puny American pint is puny. )
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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It's not just the bottles it's that their whole international supply chain is based on the metric system. (and I bet their US one as well)

Also lol at how chest thumping you guys get over a system of measuring. We use miles, pounds, pints and stones but we don't get all 'Cleetus pass me ma gun, them ther foriners are tryin ter serve my drinks in them dam funny measures!'

Seriously you don't see why an international business might want to use one system of measures in its business?

(ALSO: your puny American pint is puny. )
There you go again. I point out that the point of bottled soda made from syrup is to AVOID distributing in bottles beyond the bottling company's region and you completely ignore that and repeat that it is done for the "international supply chain." There isn't a shred of truth to that. Bottles are made at the regional bottling company. No one wants to pay to ship around ridiculously dense water across borders when they don't have to, so only syrup is regularly distributed internationally. If there was any truth to your assumption then the standard personal sizes would be metric too (half liter, 550ml, etc). Those actually get a little bit of gray market international distribution due to collector's or people who want things like Mexican Coke made with sugar cane.
 
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mmntech

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It's not just the bottles it's that their whole international supply chain is based on the metric system. (and I bet their US one as well)

Also lol at how chest thumping you guys get over a system of measuring. We use miles, pounds, pints and stones but we don't get all 'Cleetus pass me ma gun, them ther foriners are tryin ter serve my drinks in them dam funny measures!'

Seriously you don't see why an international business might want to use one system of measures in its business?

(ALSO: your puny American pint is puny. )

Yep, and Canada also uses weird a hybrid system for everyday use.

Metric: speed, distance/length, outdoor air temperature, atmospheric pressure, weights and volumes for packaged groceries, fuel volumes.

Imperial: height and weight of a person, weights of fresh groceries (vegetables and meats sold by the pound), altitude, indoor air temperature, cooking temperature, cooking measures.

Most countries use the metric system now for business and scientific purposes. The US is the only major hold out. If Canada can make the switch, the US can. Most Canadians are dumber than a bag of hockey pucks.
 

Childs

Lifer
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I don't care that much. Any cola is close enough. RC is my favorite, but you don't see that anywhere. I like Coke for the big players.

Yeah, RC has a good mix of being not as rough as Coke, and not as sweet as Pepsi. I find Pepsi too sweet, but the throwback Pepsi was good.
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
Oct 9, 2002
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Yep, and Canada also uses weird a hybrid system for everyday use.

Metric: speed, distance/length, outdoor air temperature, atmospheric pressure, weights and volumes for packaged groceries, fuel volumes.

Imperial: height and weight of a person, weights of fresh groceries (vegetables and meats sold by the pound), altitude, indoor air temperature, cooking temperature, cooking measures.

Most countries use the metric system now for business and scientific purposes. The US is the only major hold out. If Canada can make the switch, the US can. Most Canadians are dumber than a bag of hockey pucks.

Canada didn't make the switch without casualties.

I'm sure there were lots of direct / indirect problems in the switch-over. This could have been much worse:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider
 

ControlD

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Apr 25, 2005
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You can draw a map if it'll help you.

I'm sure you'll work out why selling petrol by the gallon out of a pump is different to selling a packaged product that's sold across the world in the same package.

That's an easy one. We don't buy "petrol" we buy the proper stuff called "gas". I don't think "gas" is sold any other way but by the gallon.




 

Jeff7

Lifer
Jan 4, 2001
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Yep, and Canada also uses weird a hybrid system for everyday use.

Metric: speed, distance/length, outdoor air temperature, atmospheric pressure, weights and volumes for packaged groceries, fuel volumes.

Imperial: height and weight of a person, weights of fresh groceries (vegetables and meats sold by the pound), altitude, indoor air temperature, cooking temperature, cooking measures.

Most countries use the metric system now for business and scientific purposes. The US is the only major hold out. If Canada can make the switch, the US can. Most Canadians are dumber than a bag of hockey pucks.
US:

Metric
- Electricity: Watts instead of horsepower
- Medication: Milligrams instead of ounces
- Engine displacement: Liters or cubic centimeters instead of pints or cubic inches.
- Drinks: Some are 0.5, 1, 2, or 3 liters.
- Discrete LEDs: Millicandela.
- Lights: Lumens.



Imperial
- Everything else.
 

norseamd

Lifer
Dec 13, 2013
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Most countries use the metric system now for business and scientific purposes. The US is the only major hold out. If Canada can make the switch, the US can.

Do you know if the US military has done any metrification yet?
 

norseamd

Lifer
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I'm pretty sure the military is all metric.

The MBT-70 MBT joint project between America and Germany more or less imploded because of many major problems including the fact that they tried to make the same tank in both metrical and imperial measurements. What kind of supernatural madness is that bullshit? So thank god if the American military has finally adopted metrification.
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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US:

Metric
- Electricity: Watts instead of horsepower
- Medication: Milligrams instead of ounces
- Engine displacement: Liters or cubic centimeters instead of pints or cubic inches.
- Drinks: Some are 0.5, 1, 2, or 3 liters.
- Discrete LEDs: Millicandela.
- Lights: Lumens.
Many engine displacements are measured in cubic inches, like Harley-Davidson.
Drinks are almost exclusively non-metric except for larger bottles of soft drinks. When someone asks for for "a two-liter" it's the same as asking for a large bottle of soft drink.

Imperial
- Everything else.
Actually, an Imperial gallon is larger than the gallon America uses.
 
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ForumMaster

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First time i saw those weird 591ml bottles was in the states recently. Most normal places use the 500ml bottles...
 
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I remember being able to walk to my local Fred Meyer (similar to Albertsons/Safeway/Kroger) and buy 12oz sodas for 25¢ each. This was just 12 years ago!
 

OverVolt

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Aug 31, 2002
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I can't imagine constantly retooling the bottling plant for different size bottles really saves them that much money when you can't even tell if a 17oz bottle is a generous pint, a generous 16oz bottle, a 500ml international bottle or a shrink ray 20oz bottle.

Where is the profit in retooling the bottling plant so many times at this point... lol

The shrink ray is completely played out. Nobody is fooled anymore. Everyone checks the bottle size.
 

OverVolt

Lifer
Aug 31, 2002
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I remember being able to walk to my local Fred Meyer (similar to Albertsons/Safeway/Kroger) and buy 12oz sodas for 25¢ each. This was just 12 years ago!

I remember seeing a receipt posted here with milk for $1.79 in 2005. Wages haven't really increased since then.

Crazy.
 
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