The holocaust never happened

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: alchemize
Yah, nothing like the lefties minimalizing the holocaust for making a few political jabs. It's disgusting, but it happens every time, dependable as the sun rising. :thumbsdown:

Here's to you James Hoyt.

Seems to me like YOU'RE the fuckhead trying to make asshole political points here.

Let me try!

6 million in four years! Amateurs!

Genocide is serious business.

That was unbelievable

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Deeko

I would assume you're making a thinly veiled comparison between George Bush and Adolf Hitler. Or at least, the current US administration to the Nazi regime.

Here ya go. No veil about it. In the entire history of the United States of America, the Bushwhackos adminstration is about as close as this nation has come to a totalitarian facist state with Karl Rove starring in the role of Hitler's propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels.

Originally posted by: jpeyton

People have a short memory.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Joseph Goebbels

The complete quote from Goebbels is even more scary and revealing and shows an even greater tie between the nazis and the Bushwhackos.

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

Which is why I wrote:

And they silence the voices arising,
From those who would show us the light,
With their guys with their spies in the skies watching you and your neighbor.

And Who's Watching Over Who's Watching Over You?
Tell me who's telling who's telling you what to do what to do?

See my sig, or click the link for more.

 

[sapiens74]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Deeko

I would assume you're making a thinly veiled comparison between George Bush and Adolf Hitler. Or at least, the current US administration to the Nazi regime.

Here ya go. No veil about it. In the entire history of the United States of America, the Bushwhackos adminstration is about as close as this nation has come to a totalitarian facist state with Karl Rove starring in the role of Hitler's propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels.

Originally posted by: jpeyton

People have a short memory.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Joseph Goebbels

The complete quote from Goebbels is even more scary and revealing and shows an even greater tie between the nazis and the Bushwhackos.

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

Which is why I wrote:

And they silence the voices arising,
From those who would show us the light,
With their guys with their spies in the skies watching you and your neighbor.

And Who's Watching Over Who's Watching Over You?
Tell me who's telling who's telling you what to do what to do?

See my sig, or click the link for more.

Amen!!


However we need to add that Bush could not have done this without collusion from the House and Senate and Judiciary


I wish it was just one man, then we would be rid of it after Jan 09, but it will continue on, all in the name of security....

 

[StageLeft]

jhpeyton's initial point must be taken to heart. "Never forget" holds no meaning and is completely without relevance if the statement lacks the supplement to head such a recurrence off at the pass; take preventative steps to truly ensure that never forgetting means never again. It's a cliche to compare what the US is doing now with Nazi Germany, but the Nazis were not novel in how they controlled people. The same methodology has been done before, done since, and goes on now. Likely not to the same outcome but creating a common enemy for the people to rally against and making it appear more frightening than it really is is a great way to convince them to go along with the insanity. This is why knowledge and education are critical and why I so loathe the ignorance of the masses.

I wish it was just one man, then we would be rid of it after Jan 09, but it will continue on, all in the name of security....

Yes, but it's not so much this current government as what terrorism itself can do to others. Look at England, they have rolled back liberties that American wouldn't (at least not yet) dream about rolling back, such as citizens being held in jail for a month without charge. In England it's legal, all to fight the war on terror. That perfect, delightful enemy of overbearing governments, they couldn't ask for more. It cannot be quantified, it changes and is like a dark ghost in and out of rooms, always one must be wary of it. How scary it is for the poor people who need the government to fight it for them.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
jhpeyton's initial point must be taken to heart. "Never forget" holds no meaning and is completely without relevance if the statement lacks the supplement to head such a recurrence off at the pass; take preventative steps to truly ensure that never forgetting means never again. It's a cliche to compare what the US is doing now with Nazi Germany, but the Nazis were not novel in how they controlled people. The same methodology has been done before, done since, and goes on now. Likely not to the same outcome but creating a common enemy for the people to rally against and making it appear more frightening than it really is is a great way to convince them to go along with the insanity. This is why knowledge and education are critical and why I so loathe the ignorance of the masses.

I wish it was just one man, then we would be rid of it after Jan 09, but it will continue on, all in the name of security....

Yes, but it's not so much this current government as what terrorism itself can do to others. Look at England, they have rolled back liberties that American wouldn't (at least not yet) dream about rolling back, such as citizens being held in jail for a month without charge. In England it's legal, all to fight the war on terror. That perfect, delightful enemy of overbearing governments, they couldn't ask for more. It cannot be quantified, it changes and is like a dark ghost in and out of rooms, always one must be wary of it. How scary it is for the poor people who need the government to fight it for them.

And Englands anti-terror laws are downright tame compared to France!

France - the Fourth Reich!

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The path towards the Holocaust had humble beginnings. The tight control and suppression of information. The surrender of civil liberties. The consolidation of vast powers under one leader. All in the name of fighting a threat that didn't exist.

People have a short memory.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Joseph Goebbels

As outlandish as something like this may sound, most likely due in large part to an inflated sense of nationalistic pride, I do wonder if the people of Germany thought the same things. As I understand it, Hitler talked in speeches about his future "plans," but it was dismissed as rhetoric from a strong public speaker.
We've already started subverting some of our long-held policies. Warrantless wiretapping subverts the 4th Amendment's statement of security. Opening mail is a federal offense. Phone communications simply use wires as the medium, instead of paper enveloped in more paper. Why should searches on them be exempt from the requirement for a warrant? And we seem to enjoy skirting the definition of "torture" far too frequently. They're not officially POW's, so anything goes? How many of those who are "detained" were only guilty of being in the wrong place at the wrong time?

"It is better to risk saving a guilty man than to condemn an innocent one."

 

[shira]

And as I've been saying for years, in response to "teach the controversy" threads about Evolution, we really ought to be teaching both sides of the "Holocaust debate" in history classes. I'm sure just as high a percentage of historians deny the Holocaust as there are biologists who renounce the theory of evolution.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: shira
And as I've been saying for years, in response to "teach the controversy" threads about Evolution, we really ought to be teaching both sides of the "Holocaust debate" in history classes. I'm sure just as high a percentage of historians deny the Holocaust as there are biologists who renounce the theory of evolution.

This is a good example of people who read the title of threads and not the content.

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Deeko
I would assume you're making a thinly veiled comparison between George Bush and Adolf Hitler. Or at least, the current US administration to the Nazi regime.

That's really, really sad. Unbelievably so. Do you actually believe the things you say, or do you just do it to piss people off at you?

Exactly.

Hey, jpeyton, talk to me when we have a fake or exaggerated external enemy, secret prisons, a private police force, and an internal surveillance program. Let me know when the white house harasses citizens' groups, engages in arbitrary detention and release programs, targets key individuals, controls at least some of the press, calls dissenters "traitors," and can legally suspend the rule of law.

Until then, kindly STFU.

... Si fu!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: alchemize
Yah, nothing like the lefties minimalizing the holocaust for making a few political jabs. It's disgusting, but it happens every time, dependable as the sun rising. :thumbsdown:

Here's to you James Hoyt.

Seems to me like YOU'RE the fuckhead trying to make asshole political points here.

Actually I'd be the fuckhead that did it after the other fuckheads started. Not much of an excuse, but I guess I can say I'm not quite as big as a douchbag as the rest.

Now back to your regularly scheduled partisan hackery.

scented or unscented?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: XMan
May we never forget.

:thumbsup:

And let's also not forget that this happened not too long ago.

I hope nothing like this ever happens again.

The path towards the Holocaust had humble beginnings. The tight control and suppression of information. The surrender of civil liberties. The consolidation of vast powers under one leader. All in the name of fighting a threat that didn't exist.

People have a short memory.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Joseph Goebbels

I would assume you're making a thinly veiled comparison between George Bush and Adolf Hitler. Or at least, the current US administration to the Nazi regime.

That's really, really sad. Unbelievably so. Do you actually believe the things you say, or do you just do it to piss people off at you?

What is funny is he takes that quote by Goebbels to heart. Nearly everyday he posts some half truth or lie over and over in an attempt to make it the truth.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: shira
And as I've been saying for years, in response to "teach the controversy" threads about Evolution, we really ought to be teaching both sides of the "Holocaust debate" in history classes. I'm sure just as high a percentage of historians deny the Holocaust as there are biologists who renounce the theory of evolution.

This is a good example of people who read the title of threads and not the content.

I read the thread and knew the OP was being ironic in his title. I was just reinforcing a point worth making: Just because there are "two sides" to an issue, doesn't mean both sides should be given equal time, equal respect, equal anything.

 

[Lemon law]

Rather than make comparisons between GWB&Hitler, maybe its worth pointing out these barbarities are well within human nature the world over. After Hitler there have been repeats of similar incidents in the killing fields of Cambodia, Rwanda, the former Yugoslavia, and I could just keep listing. And it could be argued that Hitler was second rate compared to Stalin.

The precursors of the next Holocaust are always there, just waiting for someone to exploit hate, fear, and marry it to the simple action of a final solution of exterminate the rascals for the past sins of----------insert
your pet peeve.

 

[OokiiNeko]

Yah, nothing like the lefties minimalizing the holocaust for making a few political jabs.

Didn`t see anyone minimalize it. I think it is far more disgusting that some people
profit from it.


If only someone would point out how America could possibly have any
similarity to Nazi Germany.

 

[neodyn55]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Deeko
I would assume you're making a thinly veiled comparison between George Bush and Adolf Hitler. Or at least, the current US administration to the Nazi regime.

That's really, really sad. Unbelievably so. Do you actually believe the things you say, or do you just do it to piss people off at you?

Exactly.

Hey, jpeyton, talk to me when we have a fake or exaggerated external enemy, secret prisons, a private police force, and an internal surveillance program. Let me know when the white house harasses citizens' groups, engages in arbitrary detention and release programs, targets key individuals, controls at least some of the press, calls dissenters "traitors," and can legally suspend the rule of law.

Until then, kindly STFU.

Best post ever!

 

[Auric]

Sure, the European holocaust enabled by WWII is pop but tends to neglect the greater overall genocide of the time. Indeed, even disregarding other peoples, it is still more interesting to look beyond recent history to its namesake -that is, the 13th century holocaust of England. That was likewise where the ID badge decree originated and ultimately expulsion. The model, as 'twere, which was to be repeated throughout Europe. Although the Armenian genocide during WWI was the immediate inspiration.

 

[lupi]

Besides the JP partisan hackery crap, WTF is this thread about? The last of the four man squad that discovered the camp dieing has what to do with the thread title?

 

[halik]

I've been to Oswietzim... I'd use Occham's razor for those cospiracy theories.

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: XMan
May we never forget.

:thumbsup:

And let's also not forget that this happened not too long ago.

I hope nothing like this ever happens again.

The path towards the Holocaust had humble beginnings. The tight control and suppression of information. The surrender of civil liberties. The consolidation of vast powers under one leader. All in the name of fighting a threat that didn't exist.

People have a short memory.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Joseph Goebbels

You're pathetic.

No shit man. Anyone who can draw a comparison like this is a lousy person.

Did people forget that the Germans at that time were downtrodden, desperate, and hugely susceptible to manipulation? Is anyone really so stupid as to believe that we won't be able to see mass-murder for what it is if our president started rounding up minorities? Are you out of your fucking MIND?

 

[Vonkhan]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Deeko
I would assume you're making a thinly veiled comparison between George Bush and Adolf Hitler. Or at least, the current US administration to the Nazi regime.

That's really, really sad. Unbelievably so. Do you actually believe the things you say, or do you just do it to piss people off at you?

Exactly.

Hey, jpeyton, talk to me when we have a fake or exaggerated external enemy, secret prisons, a private police force, and an internal surveillance program. Let me know when the white house harasses citizens' groups, engages in arbitrary detention and release programs, targets key individuals, controls at least some of the press, calls dissenters "traitors," and can legally suspend the rule of law.

Until then, kindly STFU.

:thumbsup: for subtlety

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: XMan
May we never forget.

:thumbsup:

And let's also not forget that this happened not too long ago.

I hope nothing like this ever happens again.

The path towards the Holocaust had humble beginnings. The tight control and suppression of information. The surrender of civil liberties. The consolidation of vast powers under one leader. All in the name of fighting a threat that didn't exist.

People have a short memory.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Joseph Goebbels

You're pathetic.

But not to the extent to which he is correct.

 

[brxndxn]

Originally posted by: neodyn55

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Deeko
I would assume you're making a thinly veiled comparison between George Bush and Adolf Hitler. Or at least, the current US administration to the Nazi regime.

That's really, really sad. Unbelievably so. Do you actually believe the things you say, or do you just do it to piss people off at you?

Exactly.

Hey, jpeyton, talk to me when we have a fake or exaggerated external enemy, secret prisons, a private police force, and an internal surveillance program. Let me know when the white house harasses citizens' groups, engages in arbitrary detention and release programs, targets key individuals, controls at least some of the press, calls dissenters "traitors," and can legally suspend the rule of law.

Until then, kindly STFU.

Best post ever!

fake or exaggerated external enemy - Iraq, Iran, terrorism, domestic terrorism

secret prisons - detention centers

private police force - doesn't matter if it's private or public - it still carries out orders

internal surveillance program - here or here

harasses citizens' groups - here

arbitrary detention and release - example

controls at least some of the press - talking points.. from the white house

legally suspend the rule of law - here's more

more good stuff

There's some.. But let's not forget the changes at the airports in the past few years - and how it just gets worse. Those changes are carrying on to sporting events and other social gatherings. Don't forget that random peoples' laptops are being seized at the border under a 'suspicion' of terrorism. Don't ignore the fact that our press rarely shows what is really going on in the rest of the world.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: XMan
May we never forget.

:thumbsup:

And let's also not forget that this happened not too long ago.

I hope nothing like this ever happens again.

The path towards the Holocaust had humble beginnings. The tight control and suppression of information. The surrender of civil liberties. The consolidation of vast powers under one leader. All in the name of fighting a threat that didn't exist.

People have a short memory.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Joseph Goebbels

You're pathetic.

No shit man. Anyone who can draw a comparison like this is a lousy person.

Did people forget that the Germans at that time were downtrodden, desperate, and hugely susceptible to manipulation? Is anyone really so stupid as to believe that we won't be able to see mass-murder for what it is if our president started rounding up minorities? Are you out of your fucking MIND?

Just give us $5-a-gallon gasoline, 10% unemployment, and another major terrorist act on U.S. soil and you might be surprised as to just how susceptible to manipulation Americans can be.

Rounding up minorities per se? No. But dealing with suspected illegal immigrants - or anyone that even looks like an immigrant - as though they were hardened criminals? Even now, I see how hateful some Americans can be.