The Holy Grail - Plan for a silent (or at least very, very quiet) PC

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It seems every PC manufacturer is all about quiet these days. It's what the consumer wants. A truly silent PC is the "holy grail" of the computer industry today because it integrates beter into the home and users suffer less stress from a quiet computer than a whiny, noisy PC. Some manufacturers have successfully built PCs that use convection cooling (the G4 Cube and iMacs) but this is even harder than ever for manufacturers to do because processors are putting out more and more heat, and convection cooling seems nearly impossible these days. (It would be possible, but your entire PC would be dominated by a giant heatsink.) Manufacturers like Dell have found that the most cost-effective way to provide near-silence is the use of thermally-controlled fans that only speed up when they are necessary. Unfortunately, PC ehthusiasts and owners of custom PCs have a tougher time tackling the noise problem because super-high-performance components are used, so a bit more creativity is necessary in a silent cooling scheme for a high-performance enthusiast PC. This is my plan for anyone building a new PC to finally achieve Dell-like silence from their computer. It uses Zalman components and atleast a single Vantec ThermoFlow 80mm case fan.

We will start at the source of most annoying computer noise: the CPU fan. First of all, choose a motherboard with a passive chipset heatsink. This is important to eliminate another fan from your system and further reduce unwanted sound. If you already have a motherboard, and it uses a chipset fan that is attached by plastic pegs, get a Zalman passive Northbridge heatsink and use Arctic Silver III for best thermal transfer. Buy a Zalman CNPS "Flower" cooler and some Arctic Silver III thermal goo. Install the Flower and/or the chipset cooler. Once you are done mounting these products, then measure the dimensions of the Flower. Using the measurements you make, build a cardboard tunnel that leads to a shroud sized to fit around the Flower with minimal extra air leakage around the CPU. We will not use the Zalman-supplied 92mm fan, but rather we will use this tunnel to draw air across the Flower. One end of this tunnel will be a shroud which fits (with close tolerances--hence the extra measurements) around your Flower cooler, and the other end of the tunnel will fit around your rear case fan. (We'll talk about case fan selection later.) Because this is a negative-pressure (sucking) configuration, there must be very little air leakage around the "Flower" or the rear fan. I recommend using duct tape for a sure, tight seal around your case fan and and any leaks in the cardboard shroud itself. Shoebox cardboard will be good for this, but if your cardboard is too thick, it will be too hard to work with. Don't duct-tape anything to the Flower, but rather make sure you attach it sturdily to your fan. Also, make sure you allow plenty of space for air to enter around the base of the flower. That is, only let the shroud come within 1" of the motherboard.

For your rear fan, I recommend you buy a Vantec Thermoflow case fan (80mm and up -- no smaller than 80mm) or some other thermal-controlled case fan (Enermax, Antec, etc.) to attach to the rear of your case because the ThermoFlow is thermally-controlled. If your case has restrictive fan grilles in the back (on what will become the Flower's exhaust fan), use nippers to cut them off. Then you can use hamburger-style fan grilles to guard the rear fan. If your case has space for two fans in the rear, then get 2 ThermoFlow case fans and make it so the cardboard shroud uses the airflow from both of them. The more rear fans you can connect to the Zalman Flower, the better your performance will be, and the slower the fans can run, making less noise even at higher loads.

If your power supply is not an Enermax or Antec dual-fan type, get an Antec True-series power supply that uses the Low Noise system. The Antec's fans run slower than the Enermax. This will lessen the power supply's contribution to case noise.

Then get a Zalman VGA heatpipe for your video card. Run it fanless, as it was intended to be. The ZM80-HP uses a heatpipe to transfer heat from the GPU on the VGA card's underside to a gigantic passive heatsink on top. This should be able to even handle Radeon 9700s and higher-performance GPUs that may soon be released. Use the leftover Arctic Silver 3 thermal goo from the Flower to ensure efficient thermal transfer from the GPU to the heat pipe.

A good brand of hard drive to choose is Seagate. Specifically, choose the Barracuda IV drives which use Fluid Bearings as a standard feature. They last long and are practically the best hard drives in the business. They are also the quietest. If you have a case that uses case fans in the drive cages to cool the hard drives, then get a YS-Tech adjustable fan and run it on its very lowest setting (while checking to see that it has enough voltage that it will still start when you turn on your PC -- fans require more voltage to start than they do to run). However, only do this if your hard drives feel warm to the touch when cooled passively.

This computer system should run very quietly and yet be able to accomodate even very fast processors like the Athlon XP's, high-performance chipsets like the VIA KT400, and very fast graphics cards, like the GeForce 4 ti 4600 and the ATi Radeon 9700.

Plan from the start to have a quiet computer! If you buy these things as part of a new computer, you should be most impressed. If you have money to spend, then you can add these things after the initial purchase. Please, however, don't try this unless you have a very, very good idea of what you are doing and how air moves, otherwise you may lose your processor due to faulty engineering of the CPU fan tunnel and shroud.

While I'm here talking, I'd like to see Zalman make a gigantic heat-pipe unit for CPUs that allow full passive, fanless cooling. Maybe they could build it to be used in conjunction with a dual-fan design power supply, with the bottom fan drawing air through the heatsink of the heatpipe.
 

ThumpR777

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Thanks for the suggestions, that is a lot of info. I hope you got some some units for that essay.
 

OulOat

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Or you can get watercooling and kick that systems ass.... Most of the peoples system is already quiet, without spending that much time modding, just choose your fans wisely
 

PraetorianGuards

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Has anybody tried mounting the Zalman Passive chipset HS on a KT400 northbridge? Does the KT400 nb need active cooling?
 

randomboy

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Originally posted by: OulOat
Or you can get watercooling and kick that systems ass.... Most of the peoples system is already quiet, without spending that much time modding, just choose your fans wisely

Thats what I'm doing, just waiting for my pump and rad to come in

Jeff

 

LazyBastard

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Cool. I just got almost the exact same setup as you. The Zalman 6500-CU for my 2.0A and ZM80 for my Ti4600. I'm not going that extreme, though. I already had a CoolerMaster aluminum case, which has 4 case fans. And I have a CardCoolerXT which I'll be using in place of Zalman's fan.

It's not that easy to watercool this case (the aluminum drive bays extend all the way to the bottom of the case, so you would need to do some major modification to install a rad in the lower front), so I'm going with the quiet air-cooling for this setup.
 

FlowerMan

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Heh, your suggestions will indeed allow for a computer to run silent, but not as cool as it can be. I personally will fret when my CPU goes over 50*C... (dependent on CPU usage and ambient temp). I doubt your suggestions will give hardcore enthusiasts the peace of mind that they work so hard for. There is always a trade-off in this predicament: noise vs. performance.
 

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Originally posted by: PraetorianGuards
Has anybody tried mounting the Zalman Passive chipset HS on a KT400 northbridge? Does the KT400 nb need active cooling?

No, my EPOX 8k9A KT400 doesn't have a fan on chipset and runs fine.
 

godmare

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Originally posted by: FlowerMan
Heh, your suggestions will indeed allow for a computer to run silent, but not as cool as it can be. I personally will fret when my CPU goes over 50*C... (dependent on CPU usage and ambient temp). I doubt your suggestions will give hardcore enthusiasts the peace of mind that they work so hard for. There is always a trade-off in this predicament: noise vs. performance.

I agree; good airflow (read: a lot of airflow) is essential for exceptional cooling, and may be achieved quietly with good fan selection and placement. Vantec stealth, panaflo (the 24cfm/21dba ones) quiet papst fans, etc. It can be done
 

Kartajan

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Any thoughts on water?

I am looking for a sub-$100 kit that a water noob can put inside a mid tower case...

(Silence with a little performance.. see sig for detailed specs)
 

OulOat

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Originally posted by: Kartajan
Any thoughts on water?

I am looking for a sub-$100 kit that a water noob can put inside a mid tower case...

(Silence with a little performance.. see sig for detailed specs)

Water doesn't go that cheap. At least no decent ones.
 

BeauJangles

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I bought my watercooling setup for $90 last year. Got it from a fellow ATer and it has a Maze2 knockoff, 3 pass radiator, two 120 mm NMB fans, and a decent pump. This baby is barely audible and keeps my xp 1700 (overclocked to 1.7) at about 34 c with both fans 7 volted.
 

OulOat

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Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
I bought my watercooling setup for $90 last year. Got it from a fellow ATer and it has a Maze2 knockoff, 3 pass radiator, two 120 mm NMB fans, and a decent pump. This baby is barely audible and keeps my xp 1700 (overclocked to 1.7) at about 34 c with both fans 7 volted.

Share with us on how to get it.
 

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Something about water and circuit boards do not seem to fly in my brain. . .knowing me. . .a tube would fall off and electricute me while i am working inside the case. . WOOHOO


-Steve
 

OulOat

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Originally posted by: stebesplace
Something about water and circuit boards do not seem to fly in my brain. . .knowing me. . .a tube would fall off and electricute me while i am working inside the case. . WOOHOO


-Steve

And people once believed that flying was impossible... The truth is there are many liquids that doesn't conduct electricity, like pure deionized H2O
 

Jeff7181

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Originally posted by: PraetorianGuards
Has anybody tried mounting the Zalman Passive chipset HS on a KT400 northbridge? Does the KT400 nb need active cooling?

I have a KT400 based board and it came with a tiny passive heat sink on it. Check my profile for my specs... but I've opened up the case before just after shutting the computer off, and the northbridge heatsink was barely warm. So I find it a little difficult to believe that any chipset NEEDS active cooling unless you're doing some serious overclocking.
 

trikster2

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Or you could just buy a dell.......

My L800R is so much quieter than my duron (1 Panaflo L1A on the CPU and one L1A in the PSU and the stock fan on the Ti 200).

It's not used on the L800R but the ducted/passive heatsink combo is used on a lot of other dells. And I don't think they are paying $40 for their heatsink.

Also I've been running my 1Ghz duron at 52 C for 6 months now without problems. If it fries I will shout for joy at the chance to buy an XP............

Have you tried ducting the CPU passive cooler to the PSU instead of the rear fan? Then turn off the rear fan and watch the temps????

That zalman flower looks like a really odd shape to duct. Could you post a picture of how you did it?
 

trikster2

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I've got two machines, a build-it-yourself duron 1ghz and a storebought Dell

For the duron I used every trick I could find on this forum. I hacked the PSU to put in a panaflo L1A, I hacked the HSF to put on a panaflo L1A, I put on a 7v moded exhaust fan then turned it off, rounded cables "check", and am still trying to come up with a solution for the Ti200 (suggested here: just turn off the fan).

Side by side the Duron is MUCH louder. Notice it most late at night (computer is in the family room), I turn off the Duron and a defening silence fills the room while the Dell keeps on chugging along silently.

If you goal is quietness a simple solution is: Buy a dell. The $100 you are going to spend trying to quiet a computer with expensive heat sinks is more than going to offset the extra (if any) you will pay buy buying a dell.

This is not flame bait, it is the actual experience of a guy trying to make a computer that lives well in the family room.

 

Cerb

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One thing to do that can help immensely is...get a case with plastic panels! The Fong Kai cases are very quiet, and several come w/ ducts.
IN fact...
Here
 

godmare

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Originally posted by: OulOat
Originally posted by: godmare
Originally posted by: trikster2
Or you could just buy a dell.......

Ugh, tell us you're kidding.

Dells are quiet.

Yes, I am aware they are quiet. I am not, however, aware of any other advantages (to a technically inclined person, mind you) thjat Dells possess.
 

godmare

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Originally posted by: trikster2
I've got two machines, a build-it-yourself duron 1ghz and a storebought Dell

For the duron I used every trick I could find on this forum. I hacked the PSU to put in a panaflo L1A, I hacked the HSF to put on a panaflo L1A, I put on a 7v moded exhaust fan then turned it off, rounded cables "check", and am still trying to come up with a solution for the Ti200 (suggested here: just turn off the fan).

Side by side the Duron is MUCH louder. Notice it most late at night (computer is in the family room), I turn off the Duron and a defening silence fills the room while the Dell keeps on chugging along silently.

If you goal is quietness a simple solution is: Buy a dell. The $100 you are going to spend trying to quiet a computer with expensive heat sinks is more than going to offset the extra (if any) you will pay buy buying a dell.

This is not flame bait, it is the actual experience of a guy trying to make a computer that lives well in the family room.

I don't want a flame either.
My point is I would rather have a computer 10dB louder than a Dell with a real case with a chassis, a nonproprietary motherboard that is usable in any other application, etc.
If noise is not only your first but your only priority, than a Dell would be great. they are also excellent for people that are not as computer savvy as others, or that don't have the time or interest or inclination to fiddle with their computer.
If, on the other hand, you want a performance based pc that is completely customizable and able to be upgraded and reused in different applications, Dells are not what to get.
As pertains to this thread, ie building it quietly yourself , and this forum in general, ie technically related people that place performance, customizability <sp?>, and utility as their priorities, Dells should be overlooked.
If you have a dell and are happy with it and it suits your needs, great! I, on the other hand, would personally avoid Dell.
As I said earlier, I don't want a flame war- In fact I admit that I conveyed my opinion of Dells in a poor and tasteless fashion. I am sorry if I offended anyone, I made a poor judgement
Now, On with the discussion!


 

trikster2

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Dell is relavent even if you are building your own. They use techniques to quiet their PCs that are hard to find in the build-it-yourself world.

Passive heat sinks on CPU and GPU, two-layer plastic/metal side panels, and custom ducting are all staples of many dells.

Thanks for the link to the Fong Kai 603! That case universaly gets great reviews and I had a hard time finding it for a good price last time I was shopping.

Directron has this ducted case on sale for $62.

And yeah if you want to tweak don't get a dell.
 
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